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The Coon Dog
13-11-2007, 12:58 PM
Only 2 of England, Croatia & Russia can qualify.

* As they stand at present:
Croatia 26 pts
England 23 pts
Russia 21 pts
Isreal 17 pts
FYR Macedonia 11 pts
Estonia 4 pts
Andora 0 pts

* Remaining fixtures for these teams:
Sat 17 Nov

FYR Macedonia v Croatia
Isreal v Russia

Wed 21 Nov

England v Croatia
Andora v Russia



Previous meetings between these sides in the group:

Russia 2- England 1
England 3 - Russia 0
Croatia 0 -Russia 0
Russia 0 - Croatia 0
Croatia 2 - England 0



If two or more teams are equal on points, the following criteria are applied to determine the standings:

# a) Higher number of points obtained in the group matches played among the teams in question.

# b) Superior goal difference from the group matches played among the teams in question.

# c) Higher number of goals scored in the group matches played among the teams in question.

# d) Higher number of goals scored away from home in the group matches played among the teams in question.

# e) If, after applying criteria a) to d) to several teams, two or more teams still have an equal standing, the criteria a) to d) will be reapplied to these two to determine the standing of these teams. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria f) and g) will apply.

# f) Results of all group matches: 1. Superior goal difference 2. Higher number of goals scored 3. Higher number of goals scored away from home 4. Fair play conduct.

# g) Drawing of lots.


Therefore:

*Croatia only needs to draw one of its two remaining games to qualify.

*If Croatia lose both remaining games they will be level on 26 points with England & therefore both England & Croatia will qualify if Russia fail to beat Isreal (I'm assuming Russia will win its final game v Andora).

*If Russia wins its final 2 games it will qualify.

*If Russia does not win v Isreal then Croatia will qualify, irrespective if it loses its 2 remaining games.

*If England & Croatia are level on 26 points & Russia win both games, Russia qualifies first & England & Croatia would be split using the above formula which I have endeavoured to detail below:

-Firstly points against each other would be level, 3 each.

-Secondly goal difference. Croatia have a 2 goal buffer, so a loss by 1 goal would see Croatia qualify, whereas a win by 3 goals would see England qualify.

-Thirdly is the higher number of goals scored between the teams in question. This is irrelevant as a win by England by 2 goals would still not seperate the two teams.

-Fourthly would be the number of away goals scored between the teams, so a 3-1, 4-2, 5-3 etc... win to England would see them fail to qualify as they didn't score against Croatia in Croatia.

-Fifthly if it finished 2-0 to England then it would be goal difference for all group games. Currently Croatia's is 21 whereas England's is 18, but if England win 2-0, England will have a better goal difference than Croatia, in the event they are level on points (bear in mind Croatia would have to lose to FYR Macedonia for this to eventuate, which would worsen their goal difference even more).

*If Russia wins both games & Croatia draws either of its remaining 2 games, Russia & Croatia will qualify.

*England's destiny at the moment is not in its own hands. I needs either Isreal to draw/win against Russia, or to defeat Croatia by more than 2 goals (or 2-0 using the 5th point above) if Croatia loses to FYR Macedonia.

Billy Blogger
13-11-2007, 06:54 PM
I really like watching Croatia play and find Russia to be an intriguing team that always seems to deliver results a bit short of expectations and ability.
England are a great team but I wouldn't be upset if they missed out.

Is this regarded as the toughest group?

The Coon Dog
13-11-2007, 07:34 PM
There are a few tough groups. Group A is close with 4 countries battling it out.

Group A
Team P W D L GF GA Pts
Poland 12 7 3 2 20 10 24
Portugal 12 6 5 1 23 10 23
Serbia 12 5 5 2 19 9 20
Finland 12 5 5 2 11 6 20
Belgium 12 4 3 5 13 14 15
Armenia 10 2 3 5 4 11 9
Kazakhstan 12 1 4 7 10 20 7
Azerbaijan 10 1 2 7 5 25 5

Group B
Team P W D L GF GA Pts
France 11 8 1 2 23 3 25
Scotland 11 8 0 3 20 10 24
Italy 10 7 2 1 17 7 23
Ukraine 10 5 1 4 16 12 16
Lithuania 10 3 1 6 7 13 10
Georgia 11 3 1 7 16 17 10
Faroe Islands 11 0 0 11 3 40 0

Group C
Team P W D L GF GA Pts
Greece 10 8 1 1 18 9 25
Norway 10 6 2 2 22 8 20
Turkey 10 5 3 2 22 10 18
Bosnia-Herzegovina 11 4 1 6 16 21 13
Hungary 10 4 0 6 10 17 12
Moldova 11 2 3 6 9 19 9
Malta 10 1 2 7 9 22 5

Group D
Team P W D L GF GA Pts
Czech Republic 10 7 2 1 22 4 23
Germany 10 7 2 1 31 7 23
Republic of Ireland 11 4 4 3 15 12 16
Cyprus 10 4 2 4 17 18 14
Slovakia 10 4 1 5 27 20 13
Wales 10 4 1 5 16 17 13
San Marino 11 0 0 11 2 52 0

Group E
Team P W D L GF GA Pts
Croatia 10 8 2 0 25 4 26
England 11 7 2 2 22 4 23
Russia 10 6 3 1 16 5 21
Israel 10 5 2 3 17 11 17
FYR Macedonia 10 3 2 5 10 11 11
Estonia 11 1 1 9 3 21 4
Andorra 10 0 0 10 2 39 0

Group F
Team P W D L GF GA Pts
Sweden 10 7 2 1 21 5 23
Spain 10 7 1 2 19 8 22
Denmark 10 5 2 3 17 9 17
Northern Ireland 10 5 2 3 15 12 17
Latvia 10 3 0 7 10 14 9
Iceland 11 2 2 7 10 24 8
Liechtenstein 11 2 1 8 8 28 7

Group G
Team P W D L GF GA Pts
Romania 10 8 2 0 20 5 26
Holland 10 7 2 1 13 3 23
Bulgaria 10 5 4 1 15 7 19
Albania 10 2 5 3 9 8 11
Slovenia 11 3 2 6 9 14 11
Belarus 10 2 1 7 11 20 7
Luxembourg 11 1 0 10 2 22 3

GVGjr
18-11-2007, 11:48 AM
Israel beat Russia last night didn't they? England should just about be right now.

Mantis
18-11-2007, 12:37 PM
Israel beat Russia last night didn't they? England should just about be right now.

Yeah 2-1, injury time winner.

England just need a draw to qualify in there remaining game vs Croatia at Wembley. Croatia incidently got beat 2-0 by Macedonia overnight.

Bulldog Revolution
19-11-2007, 11:12 AM
Yeah 2-1, injury time winner.

England just need a draw to qualify in there remaining game vs Croatia at Wembley. Croatia incidently got beat 2-0 by Macedonia overnight.

If England cant qualify from here then they really are pathetic

Thats not to say Croatia are a bad team, but they are at home, have to get a positive result (draw or win) AND if they cant do that then the might as well just forget playing internationals

They've been the most overhyped underdelivering team for so long. IMO they've never even put together patches or glimpses of play in a world cup that make you think they are a serious contender.

Chops
22-11-2007, 07:33 AM
Things looking grim for mother England.
0-2 down at home after 30 mins.
Russia haven't opened up Andorra's box yet. 0-0 after 32min
Will qualify if all stays the same.

Chops
22-11-2007, 07:53 AM
Russia now 1 up at half time.
McLaren gone.

Mantis
22-11-2007, 08:16 AM
England get a soft penalty and Lampard scores from the spot, Croatia 2 England 1 after 56min.

The Coon Dog
22-11-2007, 08:23 AM
Crouch levels it at 2-2.

Mantis
22-11-2007, 08:23 AM
2-2 now, Crouch scores in the 65th min.

The Coon Dog
22-11-2007, 08:56 AM
Full Time

England 2 Croatia 3
Andora 0 Russia 1

Croatia & Russia qualify!

The Underdog
22-11-2007, 09:00 AM
Sounds like Scott Carson is going into the Zelko Kalac Hall of Fame.

How good are England at stealing defeat from victory (or even a draw)?

Maybe they'll chase Mourinho as their new coach. They've got the dough and it's a big enough job for "The Special One's" ego.

The Underdog
22-11-2007, 09:01 AM
Things looking grim for mother England.
0-2 down at home after 30 mins.
Russia haven't opened up Andorra's box yet. 0-0 after 32min
Will qualify if all stays the same.

I'm not sure whether that Andorra's box comment deserves a prize or a red card

Mantis
22-11-2007, 12:23 PM
Just reading some articles online talking about the Croatia game. How is this for a ripper sledge (talking about Beckham):

"Those who have written that this brilliant footballer is merely a walking advertisement in a generation of plastic celebrities fail to appreciate just what he has brought to the English game in the last decade. His mere presence lifted the crowd and his energy and delivery on the right flank was of a quality McClaren's first pick, Shaun Wright-Phillips, can only produce on a PlayStation game."

The Doctor
22-11-2007, 05:09 PM
England gone, I love it.

All hail the Cro's!

Sunshine
22-11-2007, 07:50 PM
England gone, I love it.

All hail the Cro's!

Same here. It's even better that they got back into the game and then snatched defeat from the jaws of qualifying
Croatia is a great team to watch.