90 Minutes of Play, 2 minutes of Excitement [Archive]

Remi Moses

26-06-2009, 05:09 PM

Is this really the place you want to be making this kind of statement?

Yeah you're right not the best forum to have a whack at aussie rules! Personally I'm sick of the jibes at soccer and the continual comparison by talk back callers,Sms messages with Aussie Rules. Why can't people just accept that people like all sports?Plenty of Aussie rules games i've seen that haven't had 2 minutes of excitement. Just preparing when the world cup comes along we're going to get the obligatory ''soccer's boring'' B/S not as exciting as our game. Just a reminder that Soccer has the biggest sporting event called WORLD CUP.

comrade

26-06-2009, 05:28 PM

Yeah you're right not the best forum to have a whack at aussie rules! Personally I'm sick of the jibes at soccer and the continual comparison by talk back callers,Sms messages with Aussie Rules. Why can't people just accept that people like all sports?Plenty of Aussie rules games i've seen that haven't had 2 minutes of excitement. Just preparing when the world cup comes along we're going to get the obligatory ''soccer's boring'' B/S not as exciting as our game. Just a reminder that Soccer has the biggest sporting event called WORLD CUP.

I think you'll find that as a whole, WOOFers are pretty supportive of soccer - with a number of posters being massive fans of the sport.

hujsh

26-06-2009, 07:13 PM

If sooccer is so tedious can somebody explain why Aussie rules hasn't gripped the world yet? This arguement is boring. ENVY

How is a sport created in Australia supposed to "grip the world"?

Chops

27-06-2009, 09:57 AM

How is a sport created in Australia supposed to "grip the world"?
Don't understand your question. Most sports started in 1 country then grew. They are suppose to grip the world just the same way other sports grip the world.

Australian rules football existed before Association Football and Rubgy did.

One major reason Australian rules football hasn't taken off around the world is the rules are fundamentally flawed.

Sockeye Salmon

27-06-2009, 10:25 AM

Don't understand your question. Most sports started in 1 country then grew. They are suppose to grip the world just the same way other sports grip the world.

Australian rules football existed before Association Football and Rubgy did.

One major reason Australian rules football hasn't taken off around the world is the rules are fundamentally flawed.

The rules have been butchered over the last few years but that's not the reason footy isn't played around the world.

What rules are fundementally flawed?

bornadog

27-06-2009, 12:48 PM

Don't understand your question. Most sports started in 1 country then grew. They are suppose to grip the world just the same way other sports grip the world.

Australian rules football existed before Association Football and Rubgy did.

One major reason Australian rules football hasn't taken off around the world is the rules are fundamentally flawed.

Australia was isolated from the rest of the world, for such along time and with no borders with other countries, very difficult for AFL to grow. Soccer, has had the advantage of European countries being so close, and therefore entrenching the sport into their culture.

Chops

27-06-2009, 04:45 PM

Australia was isolated from the rest of the world, for such along time and with no borders with other countries, very difficult for AFL to grow. Soccer, has had the advantage of European countries being so close, and therefore entrenching the sport into their culture.

So sports managed to come here but none be exported elsewhere.
Australian Rules never even made it NZ.

Chops

27-06-2009, 04:53 PM

The rules have been butchered over the last few years but that's not the reason footy isn't played around the world.

What rules are fundementally flawed?
I suppose I mean the game in general.
Well too much is open to interpretation of the umpire. 3 main officials mean you get no consistency. Too often a free can go either way- no wonder OS people get confused.

In 100+ years of Australian rules, you can still smash someone out cold, be seen but continue to play and influence the game on the day. How is that fair?

hujsh

27-06-2009, 05:32 PM

Don't understand your question. Most sports started in 1 country then grew. They are suppose to grip the world just the same way other sports grip the world.

So sports managed to come here but none be exported elsewhere.

Australia has always been full of people from Europe originally so it's natural that their sports reach us and we probably know about American sports because we watch movies and TV shows made in America like High School Musical and Remember the Titans. But how do we get countries to even become aware of our sport?

That's why i think it's a bit dodgy to look at who watches the game rather than the actual game itself.

Chops

27-06-2009, 06:00 PM

Australia has always been full of people from Europe originally so it's natural that their sports reach us and we probably know about American sports because we watch movies and TV shows made in America like High School Musical and Remember the Titans. But how do we get countries to even become aware of our sport?

That's why i think it's a bit dodgy to look at who watches the game rather than the actual game itself.
The european influence has been here since 1788 yet football(soccer) wasn't popular here til at least the 1970s.

High School Musical?

Its 2009, we get plenty of exposure overseas, if the game was going anywhere it would have done so already.

hujsh

27-06-2009, 06:07 PM

The european influence has been here since 1788 yet football(soccer) wasn't popular here til at least the 1970s.

It was always around though

High School Musical?

:D I know it's a weird example but you understand what I meant in yeah?

if the game was going anywhere it would have done so already.

I don't see it going anywhere either but i just don't see how it could ever really have "griped the world" from Australia TBH.

Chops

27-06-2009, 06:25 PM

It was always around though
As I mentioned Australian rules comp existed before football(soccer) did.
We had our first National Soccer league in 1976 I believe. Its been around becuase its an easy game to understand and easy for new comers to learn, unlike australian rules is.

I don't see it going anywhere either but i just don't see how it could ever really have "griped the world" from Australia TBH.
It could have griped the world quite easily if the rules were clear cut, it wasn't so confusing and hard for outsiders to understand.

comrade

27-06-2009, 06:31 PM

It could have griped the world quite easily if the rules were clear cut, it wasn't so confusing and hard for outsiders to understand.

I like the fact that Australian Rules is exclusive to us and the fact that you have to have a knowledge of the game to understand and enjoy it.

World domination is overrated, IMO. :)

mighty_west

27-06-2009, 08:31 PM

One thing i can't cop with Soccer is how soft SOME players seem to be, roll around like idiots like their knee has shattered, then walk off like nothing had happened, yes, you see AFL players stage acting for free kicks, but they don't roll along the ground screaming in pain like a spoilt 9 year old!

My other gripe, it's SOCCER or the World Game in Australia, not football, afterall, we call our national team the SOCCERoos!!!!!

hujsh

28-06-2009, 01:34 AM

It could have griped the world quite easily if the rules were clear cut, it wasn't so confusing and hard for outsiders to understand.

I don't really believe it to be that easy.

Chops

28-06-2009, 07:59 AM

I don't really believe it to be that easy.

Any reasoning behind that?

Chops

28-06-2009, 08:02 AM

My other gripe, it's SOCCER or the World Game in Australia, not football, afterall, we call our national team the SOCCERoos!!!!!
Its a media label from the 70s.
The national league is called Football Federation Australia and has been for about 5 years and all the state bodies are the same.

The Hill Show

28-06-2009, 08:54 AM

Followers of Aussie Rules haven't migrated to other countries and brought Aussie Rules with them like soccer fans have done. Sure, there's the odd league in Japan and the US played by ex-Aussies but that's not on the same scale as what soccer fans have brought to nations across the world. I don't care if Aussie Rules is only played in Australia anyway. It means we get to watch the BEST players of the sport play in one league rather than being spread out over the world.

comrade

28-06-2009, 09:03 AM

Getting off topic a tad, but the NFL is a mind-boggling sport played in only one country on national scale.

Hasn't seemed to worry the Americans, as it's the most profitable league in the world.

mighty_west

28-06-2009, 07:31 PM

Its a media label from the 70s.
The national league is called Football Federation Australia and has been for about 5 years and all the state bodies are the same.

Thats fine, but it's still Soccer, what type of ball do they kick around, a footy or a Soccer ball?

AndrewP6

28-06-2009, 07:52 PM

Getting off topic a tad, but the NFL is a mind-boggling sport played in only one country on national scale.

Hasn't seemed to worry the Americans, as it's the most profitable league in the world.

That's because in the U.S they consider themselves The World. Consider the "World Series", the NBA champions being called "World Champions", etc...

Topdog

28-06-2009, 08:22 PM

Thats fine, but it's still Soccer, what type of ball do they kick around, a footy or a Soccer ball?

They kick around a football. Your arguements are flawed and you are making yourself look silly with this line.

As for the comparison with the NFL, the NFL plays a game in England every year and are considering adding a 2nd. They get 80,000 people to those games which are played at Wembley stadium. Once the AFL starts doing even a quarter of that we can compare the 2.

Topdog

28-06-2009, 08:23 PM

That's because in the U.S they consider themselves The World. Consider the "World Series", the NBA champions being called "World Champions", etc...

Whilst it does sound stupid they all are the World champs and would rout any other champs from around the World.

bornadog

28-06-2009, 08:26 PM

They kick around a football. Your arguements are flawed and you are making yourself look silly with this line.

As for the comparison with the NFL, the NFL plays a game in England every year and are considering adding a 2nd. They get 80,000 people to those games which are played at Wembley stadium. Once the AFL starts doing even a quarter of that we can compare the 2.

Still a crap game, even if it is enjoyed around the world................ as the title says, 2 minutes of excitement 90 minutes of kicking the ball to each other. SOOOO Boring.

AndrewP6

28-06-2009, 08:33 PM

Still a crap game, even if it is enjoyed around the world................ as the title says, 2 minutes of excitement 90 minutes of kicking the ball to each other. SOOOO Boring.

Hallelujah!

Chops

28-06-2009, 08:53 PM

Thats fine, but it's still Soccer, what type of ball do they kick around, a footy or a Soccer ball?

Soccer is an American term. The world calls it a football. Even here it should be refer to as a football. Not sure where you are going with this.

Chops

28-06-2009, 08:56 PM

Still a crap game, even if it is enjoyed around the world................ as the title says, 2 minutes of excitement 90 minutes of kicking the ball to each other. SOOOO Boring.

Seen many an AFL game where there is 2 minutes of excitement in 120 minutes (all the ones without the Bulldogs).
There is no AFL equilivent match for the month of the World Cup. 1 month of excitment.

AndrewP6

28-06-2009, 09:02 PM

Seen many an AFL game where there is 2 minutes of excitement in 120 minutes (all the ones without the Bulldogs).
There is no AFL equilivent match for the month of the World Cup. 1 month of excitment.

Couldn't fathom watching a month of AFL or any other game if scoring was a rarity... 1 month of excitement? I'd say 1 month of abject boredom, with the very occasional goal.

AndrewP6

28-06-2009, 09:03 PM

Soccer is an American term. The world calls it a football. Even here it should be refer to as a football. Not sure where you are going with this.

I've never known it as football...that's our game...it's soccer.

Chops

28-06-2009, 09:11 PM

I've never known it as football...that's our game...it's soccer.
I suppose you are in your own world

AndrewP6

28-06-2009, 09:18 PM

I suppose you are in your own world

No one I know calls it football...that's a European term, isn't it?...and I'm not European. Soccer is soccer, Aussie Rules is football...

Chops

28-06-2009, 09:38 PM

No one I know calls it football...that's a European term, isn't it?...and I'm not European. Soccer is soccer, Aussie Rules is football...

I don't mind if you have an different opinion that can be argued for and against but you talk crap you look like an idiot. Get your facts right.

AndrewP6

28-06-2009, 09:52 PM

I don't mind if you have an different opinion that can be argued for and against but you talk crap you look like an idiot. Get your facts right.

Which facts are wrong? The term football is commonly used in England, and Europe. It's known by that name in countries where it is the most popular code. When and where I grew up, we called it soccer, and as I said, I know hardly anyone who doesn't call it that. The only ones who do are from a European background. Here in Oz, AFL is widely known as football.

Where's the crap?

Chops

28-06-2009, 10:12 PM

Which facts are wrong? The term football is commonly used in England, and Europe. It's known by that name in countries where it is the most popular code. When and where I grew up, we called it soccer, and as I said, I know hardly anyone who doesn't call it that. The only ones who do are from a European background. Here in Oz, AFL is widely known as football.

Where's the crap?
The bit you where you say 'we' call it soccer, only people in denial call it only by its American name soccer and refuse to even acknowledge it is known as football world wide.
If you don't know anyone that knows it as football then you live in a very small world. Check your history books to see which code was called football first.

I don't care if you don't like the game and you can refuse to accept it as football. Maybe you should try putting a valid reasoning rather than making yourself look ignorant.

hujsh

28-06-2009, 11:07 PM

Any reasoning behind that?

TBH I just can't see any sport, however great it is, coming from our country and taking the world by storm as we've never had enough cultural influence on the world. Even if it was a simpler easier game to pickup.

wonnydog

28-06-2009, 11:26 PM

... Here in Oz, AFL is widely known as football..-

Only in half of Australia really, Vis, SA, WA and Tas. NSW, QLD, Canberra call it Aussie Rules.

I would suggest that the vast majority of the sport playing world would refer to 'Soccer' as Football.

AndrewP6

28-06-2009, 11:34 PM

The bit you where you say 'we' call it soccer, only people in denial call it only by its American name soccer and refuse to even acknowledge it is known as football world wide.
If you don't know anyone that knows it as football then you live in a very small world. Check your history books to see which code was called football first.

I don't care if you don't like the game and you can refuse to accept it as football. Maybe you should try putting a valid reasoning rather than making yourself look ignorant.

Now you need to re-read my posts...I said "we called it soccer" in reference to my own personal experiences. You can't call those experiences into question as "crap" - you weren't there. And then you make claims to know what sort of world I live in?

As for your claims of soccer being the "American name", well, I took your advice and hit the research trail. I discovered in my cyberspace travels, that the word soccer is NOT actually an American creation, but originated in fact, in England! True, it is most commonly called soccer in America, but the word came from a slang term for "Association Football" - and is believed to have come from a former England captain. According to www.expertfootball.com, a game of football existed before rugby and Association football split into two distinct sports. So it wasn't soccer first. Apparently.

So far you've claimed I look both an idiot AND ignorant. That's not very nice. I think I've shown neither to be true.

AndrewP6

28-06-2009, 11:36 PM

Only in half of Australia really, Vis, SA, WA and Tas. NSW, QLD, Canberra call it Aussie Rules.

I would suggest that the vast majority of the sport playing world would refer to 'Soccer' as Football.

I don't agree.

gogriff

29-06-2009, 12:55 AM

Footballroos doesn't have quite the same ring to it. I don't mind soccer but the diving and low scoring can be frustrating. Sometimes I see the riots after a game and think if there were more goals to cheer for the fans would not be so pent up :p

Topdog

29-06-2009, 08:54 AM

I don't agree.

haha how can you not agree. What do you think they call AFL in NSW?

Chops

29-06-2009, 09:01 AM

Now you need to re-read my posts...I said "we called it soccer" in reference to my own personal experiences.
Why do you refer to yourself as we?
Your idiotic post this one 'No one calls it football'.

The rest of your post is irrelevent now you its shown you talk crap.

comrade

29-06-2009, 09:05 AM

Who would’ve guessed that this thread would degenerate into personal insults?

Mantis

29-06-2009, 09:31 AM

Who would’ve guessed that this thread would degenerate into personal insults?

Especially with ES involved. :D

craigsahibee

29-06-2009, 10:04 AM

It's called "Fitba" north of Hadrian's Wall

bornadog

29-06-2009, 10:25 AM

In Sydney they call Rugby League - Football. I guess its what you are brought up on. Personally, when I was growing up, in an area made up 75% of migrants, we still knew the world game as soccer and aussie rules as football, and I still call it soccer. At the end of the day, does it really matter. You either enjoy a sport, or you don't.

mighty_west

29-06-2009, 10:42 AM

Soccer is an American term. The world calls it a football. Even here it should be refer to as a football. Not sure where you are going with this.

You know where i'm going with this, over the past 3-5 years, there has seemed to be a push to call Soccer Football here in Australia, but i don't know about you, but all my life growing up in Australia, it has ALWAYS been called Soccer!..and the round ball always known here in Australia as a Soccer ball, sure, it may be an American term, but as far as i remember [apart from the past few years], Soccer has been an Australian term as well.

mighty_west

29-06-2009, 10:46 AM

They kick around a football. Your arguements are flawed and you are making yourself look silly with this line.

As for the comparison with the NFL, the NFL plays a game in England every year and are considering adding a 2nd. They get 80,000 people to those games which are played at Wembley stadium. Once the AFL starts doing even a quarter of that we can compare the 2.

I may well be making myself look silly, thats fine, but growing up here in Australia, it's always [apart from the past 3-5 years] has always been known as Soccer, kicking around Footy's & Soccer balls at school etc etc.

I reckon you show the average person here a Round Ball football & an Aussie Rules fotball, not to Soccer fans, and the majority will call them a footy & soccer ball.

AndrewP6

29-06-2009, 02:18 PM

Why do you refer to yourself as we?
Your idiotic post this one 'No one calls it football'.

The rest of your post is irrelevent now you its shown you talk crap.

My words were "When and where I grew up, we called it soccer". In this case, the "we" refers to myself, my family, and most of my friends. Except those of European descent, who might have occcasionally called it football.

"The rest of your post is irrelevent now you its shown you talk crap"- sorry, but I'm not sure of your meaning. Why is it "irrelevent" to answer questions asked, and to provide information requested? Is it "irrelevent" or simply correct? You asked me to check the facts, so I did. If you didn't want to read the answer, you shouldn't have asked the question.

If you're going to quote me, please get my words right. I never said "No one calls it football". I said "No one I know calls it football" and that's fact.

AndrewP6

29-06-2009, 02:19 PM

I may well be making myself look silly, thats fine, but growing up here in Australia, it's always [apart from the past 3-5 years] has always been known as Soccer, kicking around Footy's & Soccer balls at school etc etc.

I reckon you show the average person here a Round Ball football & an Aussie Rules fotball, not to Soccer fans, and the majority will call them a footy & soccer ball.

Well said..

AndrewP6

29-06-2009, 02:20 PM

You know where i'm going with this, over the past 3-5 years, there has seemed to be a push to call Soccer Football here in Australia, but i don't know about you, but all my life growing up in Australia, it has ALWAYS been called Soccer!..and the round ball always known here in Australia as a Soccer ball, sure, it may be an American term, but as far as i remember [apart from the past few years], Soccer has been an Australian term as well.

It's actually a term that originated in England...

AndrewP6

29-06-2009, 02:22 PM

Who would’ve guessed that this thread would degenerate into personal insults?

It's a good thing I'm thickskinned...the terms "idiotic" and "ignorant" could upset some people. And being accused of talking "crap"! Especially after listening to some Norf supporter throwing the word "retard" around at our players yesterday.

AndrewP6

29-06-2009, 02:25 PM

haha how can you not agree. What do you think they call AFL in NSW?

Sorry, I meant the bit about the sport playing world calling it football... aside from recent years, I've heard the term soccer used most often. Then again I don't know the whole sport playing world ;)

mighty_west

29-06-2009, 03:03 PM

Who would’ve guessed that this thread would degenerate into personal insults?

People who can't handle the truth...no wait, where have i heard that one before.....:cool:

mighty_west

29-06-2009, 03:05 PM

It's actually a term that originated in England...

WHAT!!! Was Ernie WRONG again?

Surely not...:eek:

Topdog

29-06-2009, 03:09 PM

Sorry, I meant the bit about the sport playing world calling it football... aside from recent years, I've heard the term soccer used most often. Then again I don't know the whole sport playing world ;)

Have you been to other countries to hear it?

In Australia and America it has been called soccer for ages and I could care less if people call it soccer but you really do sound silly disagreeing with that statement.

Topdog

29-06-2009, 03:17 PM

WHAT!!! Was Ernie WRONG again?

Surely not...:eek:

Did you see the game of marngrook between the Dogs and North last weekend?

mighty_west

29-06-2009, 03:35 PM

Did you see the game of marngrook between the Dogs and North last weekend?

Yes, and they would have been proud of Joshy's mark....and mumarki.

Chops

29-06-2009, 05:27 PM

Firstly when peopel talk crap, they deserve to be told, only 2 here doing that.
Secondly I don't doubt the origin of the word soccer is in England since the language is English and the game originated there. However no one in England calls the game soccer, its called football like everywhere in the world. The US have almost always been calling it soccer because they have their own version of football. It certainly doesn't mean that the game of association football isn't football over there too. Australia has adopted the name from the US not England.

mighty_west

29-06-2009, 05:45 PM

Firstly when peopel talk crap, .

You seem to do that quite a bit!

bornadog

29-06-2009, 05:54 PM

Firstly when peopel talk crap, they deserve to be told, only 2 here doing that.
.

You seem to do that quite a bit!

Ok, boys, before we get too personal, can we stop the insults.

I think you are both now way off topic

There is another forum you can go to and no one minds insulting each other:D

AndrewP6

29-06-2009, 07:56 PM

However no one in England calls the game soccer, its called football like everywhere in the world

So I'm not allowed to say "No one I know calls it football" but you can make these two generalisations... interesting...

anyway, I'm over all of this. Say whatever you like.