Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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GVGjr
You're underselling Matthew Boyd's form this because I'd ask the question Is Matthew Boyd not in near excellent form?
In my opinion you're still too focused on the age of a player than the form or experience they provide.
We won't lose Steven or Honeychurch.
Once more you didn't read my post.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
I find it odd to delist a player who is probably the bracket after elite in his position/role because he might drop in form next year, especially as we seem to be in contender phase + have an extremely young list.
I find age and height massively overrated. Boyd to me looks younger than Jed Adcock (I know not a fan of him either bad just making a point) despite their respective birth certificates.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Rocco Jones
I find it odd to delist a player who is probably the bracket after elite in his position/role because he might drop in form next year, especially as we seem to be in contender phase + have an extremely young list.
I find age and height massively overrated. Boyd to me looks younger than Jed Adcock (I know not a fan of him either bad just making a point) despite their respective birth certificates.
I agree, what I was saying is I would rather lose Boyd than having to Lose a Stevens or HC - two players that will give us many years of service. Sometimes you have to make hard calls.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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bornadog
I agree, what I was saying is I would rather lose Boyd than having to Lose a Stevens or HC - two players that will give us many years of service. Sometimes you have to make hard calls.
Same with Murphy and Morris?
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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bornadog
I agree, what I was saying is I would rather lose Boyd than having to Lose a Stevens or HC - two players that will give us many years of service. Sometimes you have to make hard calls.
I don't think we will need to lose either. Minson and Prudden go. Would rather lose Hamitlon or Hrovat, which makes it 3. Delisting 4 means we get pick 60-70 odd. Would much rather help our premiership push and not kill the career of a great servant who is still very good for pick 70.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Rocco Jones
I don't think we will need to lose either. Minson and Prudden go. Would rather lose Hamitlon or Hrovat, which makes it 3. Delisting 4 means we get pick 60-70 odd. Would much rather help our premiership push and not kill the career of a great servant who is still very good for pick 70.
What about trading or attracting a free agent? An extra spot could be very valuable. And we have pick 70 from Tahleeya too.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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bornadog
Once more you didn't read my post.
I certainly did.
Did you not say
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bornadog
I would prefer to say goodbye to Matty Boyd than lose Stevens, HC or even Jong. Boyd will be 35 next year and we do tend to hang on to players too long for sentimental reasons. Yes Boyd is playing well, but we have to weight up the future of the club, plus age creeps up very quickly on you.
You're essentially say we could hang on to Matthew Boyd for sentimental reasons and I'm challenging why you would think that when his form clearly should have him in the mix. You also mention his age. There is no genuine link between between Boyd staying and because of that decision potentially losing Stevens, HC or Jong. None.
Sentiment also has nothing to do with discussing him this time of the year.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Jones
I find it odd to delist a player who is probably the bracket after elite in his position/role because he might drop in form next year, especially as we seem to be in contender phase + have an extremely young list.
I find age and height massively overrated. Boyd to me looks younger than Jed Adcock (I know not a fan of him either bad just making a point) despite their respective birth certificates.
He looks younger than Kieren Collins too.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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Twodogs
He looks younger than Kieren Collins too.
He sets em up, and you knock em down. Classic Rocco-Twodogs!
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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bulldogtragic
He sets em up, and you knock em down. Classic Rocco-Twodogs!
I have been hanging it on Rocco for many years...
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
I think M Boyd should be part of the delist discussion, his form could drop off dramatically, he is prone to massive clangers in every game, thats not going to get better. He is a legend but he's getting everything out of his body. Morris is more important and Murph will be playing. I think we have the cattle to cover Moyd.
Jong is another i think we can cover.
Should we consider Bailey Dale as a pick upgrade? Id like to hang on to HC and Stevo.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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marcov
I think M Boyd should be part of the delist discussion, his form could drop off dramatically, he is prone to massive clangers in every game, thats not going to get better. He is a legend but he's getting everything out of his body. Morris is more important and Murph will be playing. I think we have the cattle to cover Moyd.
Jong is another i think we can cover.
Should we consider Bailey Dale as a pick upgrade? Id like to hang on to HC and Stevo.
Boyds playing as well as Murphy (pre knee) and Morris. Every player in the league is prone to a clanger. Gee ive seen half a dozen from The Bont over the last fortnight.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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marcov
I think M Boyd should be part of the delist discussion, his form could drop off dramatically, he is prone to massive clangers in every game, thats not going to get better. He is a legend but he's getting everything out of his body. Morris is more important and Murph will be playing. I think we have the cattle to cover Moyd.
Jong is another i think we can cover.
Should we consider Bailey Dale as a pick upgrade? Id like to hang on to HC and Stevo.
I don't mind him being the part of the discussion but right at the moment his form displayed so far this season has been near excellent. Never mind that he won't get better because many players on our list would need to improve massively just to get near his level.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
I think we are a little touchy about Boyd. Boyd said this morning the club won't be talking about 2017 with him until after the season. So that to me says the club is in a wait and see mindset, and him being mentioned by anyone else is just an extension of that. I might just say this is a great problem to have and very, very difficult problem to have. There's no Markovich, Austin, Cheesy types in enough numbers to make it easy. It's because of the complexity differing opinions occur, and that's not a bad thing.
The only consensus is Minson retires or another club wants him and Prudden is cut. I stand by my call that we need to leave open trades and free agency which is a minimum of 4 players cut to have the choices.
So far small trades have Honey, Hamilton, Jong & Hrovat. A bigger trade to net a bigger trade win is Roughy & Stevens. So on this, Roughy is now safe in my view. Hrovat isn't worth enough to trade. I think Honeychurch should stay if he wants unless an offer is too good to refuse.
So that's long hand for: Minson (ret), Prudden (del), Jong (trade) and Honeychurch/Stevens as a trade (we see as a win). Provided Boyd's form and fitness is still elite come end of season.
Or laterally thinking, we can delist Hamilton and re-draft him in the ND with our last pick. If we miss him, that's the hard-bitter pill we have to accept for a strong list. Someone on the list enough of us like is going, better accept it.
Picks 18, 36, 54, 70 (Tahleeya) - trading and free agents in there somewhere.
Re: The Moving Rolling De-Listing/Trading Thread 2016
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bulldogtragic
I think we are a little touchy about Boyd. Boyd said this morning the club won't be talking about 2017 with him until after the season.
Who's being touchy about him? I don't mind him being in the mix of the discussion at all but we just can't question his form at the moment. And if he stays it won't be about sentiment.
We need to make 5 or 6 changes to the primary list and I don't think its hard to work out the names that we will either delist/retire or offer up as a trade target. It should largely come down to form and attitude.