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Players On and Off the Market 2016
Truncating trade talk to players who are officially on the market:
Jaeger O'Meara
Jay Schultz
Dion Prestia
Brent Harvey - Delisted Free Agent, walks to the club of his choice if he wants to play on.
Cam McCarthy
Michael Hibberd
Possibly delisted free agents:
Petrie, NDS, Spudly Spud
Chris Dawes
Expected to request trades:
Aaron Black
Travis Cloke
(Remotely Decent) Free Agents (not re-signed):
Nathan Brown
Ty Vickery
Zack Clarke
Daniel Wells
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Zac Clarke is remotely decent?
The free agency pool is s-h-a-l-l-o-w.
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mjp
Zac Clarke is remotely decent?
The free agency pool is s-h-a-l-l-o-w.
Compared to the rest on the list. Yep, just our luck as we grow to content that the cupboard is virtually empty.
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Thoughts on Aaron Black, mjp?
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Brown from Collingwood?
Bit slow for me , as is Dawes .
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O'Meara is a big yes for me BUT at what cost for a player who has been injured for 2 years. He's like a Ferrari for sale that has a transmission problem, you know that once it's fixed it's an amazing car but will the problem come back. With that in mind you don't want to invest too much.
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ratsmac
O'Meara is a big yes for me BUT at what cost for a player who has been injured for 2 years. He's like a Ferrari for sale that has a transmission problem, you know that once it's fixed it's an amazing car but will the problem come back. With that in mind you don't want to invest too much.
Apparently he turned down something like $700,000 for two years. Whoever is prepared to pay that and possibly two high picks, good luck.
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I'd take Schulz before I took Cloke
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bulldogtragic
Apparently he turned down something like $700,000 for two years. Whoever is prepared to pay that and possibly two high picks, good luck.
Maybe money isn't what is driving his decision to leave. He probably just wants to play football with a club that has history and a culture.
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Throughandthrough
I'd take Schulz before I took Cloke
Not a bad idea if he passes a medical.
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ratsmac
Maybe money isn't what is driving his decision to leave. He probably just wants to play football with a club that has history and a culture.
True dat. I agree with your analogy 100%. Two high picks and a very healthy salary for a guy who has spent 60% or more of his afl career in the rehab group is a high price to pay, Ferrari or not.
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Schultz looks more cooked than Cloke .
I reckon Schultz was cooked last season
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Remi Moses
Schultz looks more cooked than Cloke .
I reckon Schultz was cooked last season
Not keen on Schultz. Doesn't cover the ground Cloke does either and is not as big a body.
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Remi Moses
Schultz looks more cooked than Cloke .
I reckon Schultz was cooked last season
Agree, and I was in seat 1A of the Schulz bandwagon while he was still spudding it up at Richmond. He's done like a dinner.
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Sedat
Agree, and I was in seat 1A of the Schulz bandwagon while he was still spudding it up at Richmond. He's done like a dinner.
They got some good years out of him, but agree with your assessment.
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Apparently on SEN this arvo it was mentioned if a good offer came into Geelong for Steve Motlop they're open to trading him (presumably to get back into the draft this year at a good point).
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bulldogtragic
Apparently on SEN this arvo it was mentioned if a good offer came into Geelong for Steve Motlop they're open to trading him (presumably to get back into the draft this year at a good point).
Again, no thanks
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bulldogtragic
Apparently on SEN this arvo it was mentioned if a good offer came into Geelong for Steve Motlop they're open to trading him (presumably to get back into the draft this year at a good point).
The blokes about as consistent as tattslotto might get one minor win every 15 weeks
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Mark Stevens just said Ty Vickery is leaving Richmond.
My assumption is someone will offer him enough that Richmond's free agency compo is a second rounder. Around 24.
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bulldogtragic
Mark Stevens just said Ty Vickery is leaving Richmond.
My assumption is someone will offer him enough that Richmond's free agency compo is a second rounder. Around 24.
Carlton.
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bulldogtragic
Mark Stevens just said Ty Vickery is leaving Richmond.
My assumption is someone will offer him enough that Richmond's free agency compo is a second rounder. Around 24.
I reckon Hawthorn back themselves in to turn him into a role player. I think they're going to be in for some pain continually going back to the mature-age well
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lemmon
I reckon Hawthorn back themselves in to turn him into a role player. I think they're going to be in for some pain continually going back to the mature-age well
Could a guy that averages 1.5-2 goals a game not potentially thrive in a more successful team as the 2nd optionforward and part time ruck?
I don't watch Richmond closely (or ever really) but I can envisage a player like that doing well with us and even moreso at the Hawks
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hujsh
Could a guy that averages 1.5-2 goals a game not potentially thrive in a more successful team as the 2nd optionforward and part time ruck?
I don't watch Richmond closely (or ever really) but I can envisage a player like that doing well with us and even moreso at the Hawks
I agree. I'm really warming to the idea now. A defined role player who can kick 1-2 goals a game and be a decent second ruck option, leaving Tom at full forward, sounds like something to consider. Especially since he costs nothing but salary. I think he's very much like the North Melbourne version of David Hale, who ended up a premiership player.
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I had the same thought with davd hale comparison. Hale could not get a game at north, and for what ever reason was not
in favour with Laidley, they played a younger Goldstein ahead of him! But look how damaging he was in the lead up to the finals ? he played his role succinctly . I think the limited interchange would show up his limited endurance
I remember vickery kicked 3 goals in the first quarter against Carlton a few years ago, so he obviously had talent
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Watching Vardy run around WO on the VFL TV game today, and he looks decidedly average if it's not delivered on a silver platter. With out entries into forward 50, I'd be concerned with this being replicated especially in a quicker and higher pressure level up.
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macca
I had the same thought with davd hale comparison. Hale could not get a game at north, and for what ever reason was not
in favour with Laidley, they played a younger Goldstein ahead of him! But look how damaging he was in the lead up to the finals ? he played his role succinctly . I think the limited interchange would show up his limited endurance
I remember vickery kicked 3 goals in the first quarter against Carlton a few years ago, so he obviously had talent
Looking at his profile, he's 200cm & 100kg and fairly mobile. Averages 1.3 goals a game, kicked a bag of 6 last year, and hasn't been overly used as the second ruck with Maric, Griffiths & Hampson. If he was turned into the genuine #2 ruck and resting forward and could break even or win while in there and keep up 1-2 goals a game that's a great result for us. Better yet we can leave Boyd forward, or ruck him if we lose a ruckman in game and/or have two 200cm/100kg targets up forward to mark or bring it to ground. The more and more I think about it, the more I find this appealing over Cloke (as well as free agent status for us).
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bulldogtragic
Looking at his profile, he's 200cm & 100kg and fairly mobile. Averages 1.3 goals a game, kicked a bag of 6 last year, and hasn't been overly used as the second ruck with Maric, Griffiths & Hampson. If he was turned into the genuine #2 ruck and resting forward and could break even or win while in there and keep up 1-2 goals a game that's a great result for us. Better yet we can leave Boyd forward, or ruck him if we lose a ruckman in game and/or have two 200cm/100kg targets up forward to mark or bring it to ground. The more and more I think about it, the more I find this appealing over Cloke (as well as free agent status for us).
The other thing I like about Vickery is he is 26 years old so has lots of footy left in him. He should be at his peak as a tall.
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Vickery as a free agent is a no brainer. Can't see anyone else in the market who's going to fill a very specific need so neatly. He won't be a superstar or a saviour, but he can ruck, is mobile, can contest around the ground and take inside 50 contested marks.
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PeanutsPeanuts
Vickery as a free agent is a no brainer. Can't see anyone else in the market who's going to fill a very specific need so neatly. He won't be a superstar or a saviour, but he can ruck, is mobile, can contest around the ground and take inside 50 contested marks.
He's gotta get a short back and sides though. That haircut is deplorable.
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Jonathan Giles & Jack Fitzpatrick both starred in wins to get their teams across the line. We don't need to recruit Goldstein or Mumford. Vickery will do the job nicely and as a free agent is a cherry on top. I think I'm now firmly completely in the recruit Ty Vickery thinking.
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bornadog
The other thing I like about Vickery is he is 26 years old so has lots of footy left in him. He should be at his peak as a tall.
And he is an accurate kick for goal from what I've seen.
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PeanutsPeanuts
Vickery as a free agent is a no brainer. Can't see anyone else in the market who's going to fill a very specific need so neatly. He won't be a superstar or a saviour, but he can ruck, is mobile, can contest around the ground and take inside 50 contested marks.
The main reason I would consider him is that he is a free agent. If he can get his act together he could be a valuable player but from what I have seen he is like one of those cricket all-rounders who looks like has has the right tools but comes up short on delivery when it counts. I don't think he could hold his spot as a forward nor could he as a ruckman.
The bonus if we were to land him would be that Tom Boyd would be our primary target up forward and not needed as much to do some ruck work.
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GVGjr
The main reason I would consider him is that he is a free agent. If he can get his act together he could be a valuable player but from what I have seen he is like one of those cricket all-rounders who looks like has has the right tools but comes up short on delivery when it counts. I don't think he could hold his spot as a forward nor could he as a ruckman.
The bonus if we were to land him would be that Tom Boyd would be our primary target up forward and not needed as much to do some ruck work.
Could Leigh Brown have done either?
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I would be for Vickery. Fills the role of second ruck much better than most, and helps with our ruck depth issue. Has been serviceable at AFL level, enough so that he would justifiably get a game for us. Would be a free agent, so costs little but salary cap space, and is a former pick 8 that has been developed by Richmond, which means he would be a chance to take another step forward if put in a better system such as ours.
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hujsh
Could Leigh Brown have done either?
Or David Hale. North Melbourne didn't think so on both counts. But they now think Boomer is finished too. As for Vickery, he seems to me to a confidence player and everyone at Punt Road is clearly unhappy. I don't think he's going to be a superstar, but our mantra of flexibility means we have a ruck/defender in Roughy, ruck/forwards in Campbell & Vickery and Tom Boyd at Full Forward who can pinch hit if he has to with a second tall target. The flow on effect for our forward line is worth more than the sum of the parts I feel.
If we were forced to offer Cloke or Vickery three years and similar money (with Collingwood paying some), I wouldn't think twice about which one and Vickery comes free.
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soupaman
I would be for Vickery. Fills the role of second ruck much better than most, and helps with our ruck depth issue. Has been serviceable at AFL level, enough so that he would justifiably get a game for us. Would be a free agent, so costs little but salary cap space, and is a former pick 8 that has been developed by Richmond, which means he would be a chance to take another step forward if put in a better system such as ours.
That's the problem at Richmond, the internal pressure and fan pressure is about his output as a top 10 pick. If he comes to us with a fresh start, he's a recycled player who his new club believes in and has only his and the internal expectations around his role. That should be quite good for his mindset and confidence you'd have to think.
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At the very least it would be disappointing if we didn't enquire about Vickery.
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It is ironic that Leigh Brown(2008 delisted north) and David Hale could not get a game at north and became dedicated part players to be in premierships .
right time right place ? or shrewd recruiting . Vickery kinda has shades of these factors for the doggies to look at recruiting him.
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The issue I have with Vickery is that he's a mobile inconsistent non marking forward .
The way we enter the forward 50 John Coleman and plugger would struggle to get on the end of one .