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Time stops for no one. Next off-season firms as a crucial year. So basic forward looking:
Retiring Candidates based on age (obviously form & fitness are more important than dob): Bob, Matty Boyd, Morris (3)
Candidates needing a strong year: Prudden, Honeychurch, Hamilton (3)
Trading Candidates: Adams, based on his request/suggestion/offer to be traded this year (1)
Who's out of contract at year's end? JJ would most ur gent I guess.
Borrowed from BigFooty. Thanks to BRG93 for keeping it up-to-date.
Matthew Boyd (2017) (Re-Signed 2016)
Clay Smith (2017) (Re-Signed 2016)
Dale Morris (2017) (Re-Signed 2016)
Declan Hamilton (2017) (Re-Signed 2016)
Jack Redpath (2017) (Re-Signed 2016)
Robert Murphy (2017) (Re-Signed 2016)
Josh Duckley (2017) (Under 2 Year Draftee Deal)
Kieren Collins (2017) (Under 2 Year Draftee Deal)
Marcus Adams (2017) (Under 2 Year Draftee Deal)
Bailey Williams (2017) (Under 2 Year Draftee Deal)
Bailey Dale (2017) (Re-Signed 2015)
Lukas Webb (2017) (Re-Signed 2015)
Toby McLean (2017) (Re-Signed 2015)
Caleb Daniel (2017) (Re-Signed 2015)
Mitch Honeychurch (2017) (Re-Signed 2015)
Fletcher Roberts (2017) (Re-Signed 2015)
Liam Picken (2017) (Re-Signed 2015)
Jason Johannisen (2017) (Re-Signed 2014)
Stewart Crameri (2017) (Traded For in 2013)
Quite a lot of work to do!!! I was going to highlight those that I thought were most important but I had 10 highlighted so stopped
Bit of work but around five or six players would be on year to year deals, Crameri should stick by us and hopefully a few will be extended prior to the season commencing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topdog
2017 is where our recruiting team is going to earn their keep. As Topdog points out there are a lot of important guys here, and hopefully the Hurley deal falling over, means we've got good 'walking around money' to re-sign everyone we wish to keep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topdog
That list doesn't concern me too much. JJ is the priority as other clubs will come hard for him if he remains unsigned deep into the season. Adams we will be trying to convince to stay. The players need to address the disconnect from the playing group that Adams apparently felt.
Boyd, Murphy & Morris will either retire or sign a 1 year deal.
Crameri & Picken should just be a formality to re-sign.
Would be surprised if there are any major issues re-signing Dunkley, Collins, Williams, McLean, Daniel, Clay Smith or Redpath.
Hamilton, Dale, Webb and Honeychurch need good seasons to be offered contracts.
Roberts will likely be re-signed without fuss unless Adams stays and we also look to recruit a quality key back from somewhere else.
Must signs are bolded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topdog
Happy to wait and see on the older players. Hoping Dale pops up and becomes a must sign.
Would you re-sign Webb if he has a poor season? I think he needs to step up in 2017 to be safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by comrade
I'm wondering how hard it will be to get an agreement from JJ as he and Stringer are very close. If we don't mess him around I'd think he will sign on again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axe Man
I think BT put together a similar list a week or so back also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topdog
Highlighting was a great idea, wish I had thought of it.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by comrade
If Smith has no major issues he would be on my priority list ahead of Webb.
JJ defiantly top priority and one would imagine a big pay rise.
Tend to agree although it's a harsh environment for a player who did well in his 1st year and got squeezed out of senior games in his 2nd year because the team was performing so well and he was given a new role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axe Man
I'm a big fan of his foot skills and intercept marking and he added a new string to his bow this year as an inside, clearance winning mid. Clearly is very coachable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axe Man
I'd re-sign him early. Even if he has a poor season, teams will enquire about him and being contracted gives us more leverage if we do want to move him on. I hate talented players being out of contract, after getting peanuts for Hrovat and Stevens.
As you mentioned above and referenced in another post if we put forward a strong offer to JJ you would think he'd have no hesitation in signing on again.Quote:
Originally Posted by GVGjr
What happens if Stringer is unhappy with the club? Does this impact JJ decision making - I don't necessarily think it would.
As we all know things are changing in the football landscape, younger players are changing clubs regardless of contract status. In this case you are right JJ and Stringer are extremely close. However what we are also seeing is younger players are close with a lot of younger players regardless of what teams they play for.
Caddy and Prestia are still close mates from the Gold Coast days, Jager O'Meara is close with a number of the GWS boys, Marcus Bontempelli is close with Josh Kelly from GWS and there are bound to be numerous more examples.
Even when one player choses to leave their club and go to another club this isn't impacting friendship between players - It appears that each and every player coming through nowadays is fully aware that AFL is now a business and like any other day job.
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Originally Posted by bulldogtragic
I think that Clay Smith and Jack Redpath also need to be added to the candidates requiring a strong year.
Clay Smith needs to get through the season and play 20 plus games and Redpath needs to not put a foot wrong in his rehab program as if Cloke and Crameri perform along with the other forwards he could find himself squeezed out.
Fair calls. With my jinx on players I didn't want to bring it up, but it's a fair call.Quote:
Originally Posted by azabob
I guess my point is that if you are already happy at a place and your best mate is there then you will probably not be swayed by better financial offers. The club just needs to be pro-active and fair with the financials and I don't see it as a hard sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by azabob
Agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by GVGjr
We've been caught snoozing before and given the momentum our 2016 has created, I'd hope we move quickly getting onto our key signings. Given contracts are now worth nothing, there's no real incentive for players and their managers to delay signing as they'll simply do whatever they want come end of season.
Going through 1 by 1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Topdog
Boyd: Will almost certainly retire.
Smith: Signed a 1 year deal to see how his knees hold up. Fair enough on club and player.
Morris: Will retire or a further 1 year deal, fitness and form depending.
Hamilton: Make or break year for him. Up to him to show he's worth it, not the other way around.
Redpath: Only does 1 year deals. His call.
Murphy: Form and fitness by years end.
Dunkley: Must retain.
Collins: Watch how he develops but I'd be inclined to sign him up for a further 2 to let him develop.
Adams: Will most likely ask for a trade West.
Williams: Must re-sign
Dale: Watch his development. Might attract some trade interest.
Webb: Might attract some interest. Rate him highly.
McLean: CANNOT afford to let him remain uncontracted at seasons end. Need to secure him.
Daniel: As above.
Honeychurch: Some work to do to retain his spot.
Roberts: With Adams likely gone by years end he's got an opportunity to prove his worth.
Picken: Would be stunned if he walks but there'll be interest aplenty.
JJ: Priority number 1 is getting him signed up for at least 3 years.
Crameri: Will be interesting to see how he returns. With Cloke at the club now he's more important than ever for our structure.
Its a long list but it ain't as bad as it looks.
Good summary Westdog54 - Dale IMO is a must sign as well and I have a feeling Adams will remain beyond 2017.
Dale is a funny one. Has plenty of talent, good skills and good decision making but does he get enough of the ball to be effective?
He does at the lower level, I think once he gets stronger and fitter he should get more of the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by westdog54
I tend to agree. His work in September was pretty good. At the top level this year he had limited exposure to high disposal roles. I think it was the Adelaide narrow win, that he had a hand somewhere in the chain of the last three goals with smart, clever, clean use of the footy. His challenge along with 20 others is that we bat just do bloody deep right now. He may also find a role at high half back a bit more next year too. I like the kid a lot, and I'd extend him to 2019 no dramas. And really what's a contract anyway...Quote:
Originally Posted by azabob
Agree with all that. He also has long limbs which sounds odd but is suited to bulldogs football.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogtragic
I think he's a forward. He's kicked bags at Footscray, plays taller than he is and finishes well. I could see him ending up in a similiar role to Dickson, but playing in a different styleQuote:
Originally Posted by azabob
Re Dale, I have watched him in a number of VFL games this year and my criticism of him is the difference between his best and worst games - he needs to lessen the difference over the next 12 months. His 'best' is very good and he is worth persevering with if he can play to a more consistent level in 2017.
We certainly need to see Dale more in the AFL to start seeing how he'll go at the top level. I think Adams now with the loss of Hamling becomes important as well as Fletch. Hope for a good 2017 again from MBoydy, Morris and also a good one from Bob.Quote:
Originally Posted by westdog54
He'll get more of it as he develops although out of all of that draft class who has played senior football he looks the least likely. He's a nice player but his size and his lack of contested work means that his best football will be in a very good side.Quote:
Originally Posted by westdog54
Do we seem him as purely a medium forward?
Have heard Bevo talk about a believed capacity to play down back as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1eyedog
And Collins as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastdog
Dale does seem to have some really good attributes for a zone type defence. With the right development, he could be lethal as an intercept marking, long kicking, ball carrying half back.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogtragic
Webb and Dale in my mind are key, especially with Hrovat and Stevens now gone. I expect both will play games next year, more than they did this year. red year players that have the tank, and physique to really be good players.Quote:
Originally Posted by westdog54
I think we can find 6 next year to move. Elevating Smith & Lynch. Leaving us 4 picks being our first, second, upgraded third and fifth rounder. And then two rookie draft picks. Which is a healthy turnover. If Adams wants out hopefully we can get something decent in return.
But I'm thinking perhaps next year is the time to pursue another bigger trade. This draft we are investing in height which is good for the longer term. Our inside mids, half backs and forwards look healthy. If Roberts, Cordy & Collins (Adams??) can hold down spots then our taller defenders will be good. So a quick elite ball user would be something I think we need to round off the list. So with salary cap up our sleeves perhaps it's time to go hard at a Josh Kelly type. Our list won the premiership and we've invested a lot for 2-3 years down the track where the bulk of the list will be in their prime. I think we are in the perfect space to trade big next year and see that instant benefit with the last two drafts investments benefit. Dynasty's need continued improvement and with GWS picking up 4 top 20 players & Deledio we need to keep finding ways to improve our list to get and stay ahead of them with both of our windows being open.
Now that GWS are entrenched as a finals team for the next few seasons I think it's going to be very difficult for a club like ours to get top end trades with them completed.
Why would they want to potentially strengthen a genuine contender who wouldn't normally have early draft picks to offer anyway?
They trade with Carlton like it's a Caribbean Gardens swap meet but if Carlton were in the 8 and threatening they'd just point their players in another direction especially the players wanting to head back to their home state.
The salary cap squeeze might bite them but I think they have probably got that all planned out.
I'd have a short list going across the board of similar types. There's big names in free agency but apparently every club has cap space to target them. That'd be ideal to keep our first rounder, but I'm not betting on it happening. But with our draft, I think next year could be the year to go hard at grabbing a quality player to inject into the list as our kids hit their prime and hopefully these young talls are pushing for selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by GVGjr
So Bevo has said Roarke is having another turn next year. Unless the AFEL finally get around to scrapping the rookie list and extending the main list, we will need to elevate him. The AFEL said in September the CBA would be signed in a week or two... So I don't trust them to get around to changing the list structures.
So we've got our 1st & 2nd rounders, Norf's third rounder & Saints fifth rounder. Roarke elevated with the Saints fifth rounder if we need to elevate him, freeing up a rookie list spot. Lynch upgraded with the next, freeing up a rookie spot. - 3 live picks or 2 live picks and a trade/free agent with the upgrades/picks, and then two rookie picks. That's a healthy turnover.
So five changes to head out, which should be easy enough. I'm nor sure if Bob & Matty Boyd go around again, and Hamilton & Honeychurch seem up against it based on preseason form. Adams or his manager may request a trade again. That's 5 and assuming someone on the fringe takes an offer ala Hrovat, Hamling & Stevens.
The kicker will be how high we expect Rhylee West to go next year. A recent article cited him as among 'the best of the best in his year'. So the question is how many draft points we may want accumulate this year with any trades for future 2018 drafts picks/points. For instance if we finished with pick 16 and he went 8-10, we'd lose both first and second rounders and gain something around pick 50 as our next pick if we did nothing to gain extra points for 2018. If we finish with pick 17-18 and/or Rhylee goes higher, then it may take all three of our first picks to land him, so our first pick would be in the 60's or 70's.
It throws up a few different scenarios around trading our top picks for players this year, but getting back in 2018 points to cover the expectated points need in 2018. Like our 1st & 2nd rounder for a very decent player and 2018 (expected higher) second rounder. So perhaps that bigger type trade, landing a decent free agent, using North's third rounder, upgrading the two rookies (5). But only one live pick won't sit well with Dal. But, then head into 2018 draft armed with a 1st rounder and two 2nd rounders to cover Rhylee West if we expect him to go early, and get us something later in the draft to use. Then again, do we seek a player if Adams leaves or request a 2018 pick??
It's certainly going to be an interesting period for the club to work out needs, whose gettable at the trade table and free agency, working out and guessing 2018 draft point needs and then factoring in 'needs'. A lot of moving parts.
Just read an article on the HS that Adams is keen to stay on. I think this is good news for our club.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogtragic
LINK
Marcus Adams keen to re-sign with Western Bulldogs only months after considering trade
JON RALPH, Herald Sun, March 28, 2017 8:00pm
WESTERN Bulldogs defender Marcus Adams is set to win a contract extension only months after considering a future back in Perth.
The forgotten Dogs defender was one of the revelations of 2016 as a 193cm full back before injury saw him miss the fairytale premiership.
He was happy to be traded back to Western Australia if a deal could be done but did not officially demand a new start.
Now after an injury-hit pre-season he is set to be recalled for the premiership replay against Sydney after Dale Morris was diagnosed with a broken leg.
Last year he beat star forwards including Matthew Pavlich, Taylor Walker and Josh Kennedy before succumbing to a foot problem from Round 16 onwards.
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Marcus Adams is a happy Bulldog. Picture: Jake Nowakowskihttp://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/c...af1d?width=316
Marcus Adams in action during a pre-season training session. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
His manager Jason Dover said on Tuesday the 23-year-old, taken at pick 35 in the 2015 national draft, was keen to re-sign at the club.
“Over the pre-season he had some challenges with getting back and playing as well as his form so they sent him back to the VFL to find some form which he did on the weekend,’’ he said.
“It was a case of if the opportunity presented during the trade period he was happy to look at it.
“When it didn’t happen he was happy to stay. He didn’t demand a trade.
“Since then he has come back and settled into Melbourne and we have had conversations pre-Christmas and in the new year about a possible contract extension with the club.
“I was in Melbourne last week and met with the Dogs and we will continue our conversations.”
The Dogs will make at least one forced change but continue to have envious depth after a strong VFL performance.
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Marcus Adams is keen to re-sign with the Bulldogs. Picture: Michael Klein
Adams was excellent, with returning ruckman Tom Campbell excellent after recovering from a rolled ankle.
The Dogs could decide to play two ruckman to ease Tom Boyd’s workload, with Josh Dunkley, Clay Smith and Lukas Webb also playing well in the VFL win over Collingwood.
Morris will not require surgery for the spiral fracture but will miss two months, with Josh Pruden back from an ACL in the VFL this week.
Mitch Wallis is back in full training in the next fortnight and will be back in five weeks, with Tory Dickson out with abdominal pain for a month.
The Dogs found a way to win despite Collingwood’s midfield dominance on Friday night, setting up a cracking encounter against the team they beat in the 2016 Grand Final.
Early Season view:
Dead Certs: 1: Bob (apparently said this is his last year)
Very Concerned about: 3: Matty Boyd, Hamilton, Honeychurch
Concerned on Rookie List: 1: Prudden (Bevo mentioned Smith will be having another crack at this level (AFL)
Concerned for any trade request out: JJ
4 Main List, 1 Rookie List
I'm maintaining the view of 6 changes: Using 3 draft picks (all inside 40-45), A Free Agent, Smith & Lynch upgraded. So two more to look at, perhaps a couple ask for trades like last year.
Prudden must be in doubt, he should really have been cut putting aside the looking after your own aspectQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldogtragic
Mid Season view:
Dead Certs: (3) Matt Boyd, Bob & Honeychurch
Concerned about: (1) Hamilton
Want to see something: (1) Crameri
Concerned on Rookie List: 1: Prudden (Bevo mentioned Smith will be having another crack at this level (AFL))
Want to see signed up soon: JJ, Adams, Williams, Dale, Webb
Assumed number wanting a trade out: (2) Campbell & other.
Probably: 6 Main List, 1 Rookie List
3 picks inside 40, plus two rookie upgrades & a free agent. Or, two picks traded, one live pick, two rookie upgrades & a free agent.