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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Agree with the above posters.
    Decision making and disposal improvements imperative for Lin.

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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by jeemak View Post
    Though I think his courage is going to give him a bit of a free pass from scrutiny from a lot of our supporters over the course of his development. For some reason if a player exhibits that particular trait many others just as important tend to get overlooked.
    Crazy isn't it. It's great to be able to win the ball, but if you give it straight back you are defeating the purpose of your previous actions.

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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    Crazy isn't it. It's great to be able to win the ball, but if you give it straight back you are defeating the purpose of your previous actions.

    Give me a moderately courageous player with good skills over a hard-nut turn-over merchant every day of the week... and twice on Sundays.
    Not sure I can agree with this.

    If a player is only going to go when it suits he is not going to get it very often and his skills become irrelevant.

    I do agree that we still need the courageous play to be coupled with retention of possession, but you can't compromise on attack on the ball unless you are playing a purely outside role. I don't believe the purely outside role really exists in the current game and certainly not in the BMac game.
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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by Greystache View Post
    He can find the ball and isn't frightened to put his body on the line, that's two of the most important skills a player needs. Boyd is a terrible disposer of the ball, but has made a career out of being able to get it, Jong has this ability too with the added bonus of elite speed.
    That's fine, but if we have 3 guys like this playing at the same time, it causes a massive headache. Jong, Smith, Boyd. These three butcher the ball by foot. ( Might be tempted to add Easton Wood to the list of 'worrisome' footskills or at least decision making ...loves a good hail mary ).

    edit - I stand corrected that Smith's kicking seems to have improved and in the NAB he was ok. Wait and see how it goes in the season proper.
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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    That's fine, but if we have 3 guys like this playing at the same time, it causes a massive headache. Jong, Smith, Boyd. These three butcher the ball by foot. ( Might be tempted to add Easton Wood to the list of 'worrisome' footskills or at least decision making ...loves a good hail mary )
    Smiths' issue seemed to me to be entirely based on his ball drop rather than his action itself - I think his issue is a little more "fixable" than others (others noted his action during training and the NAB cup is alot better. Jones' action seemed to have imporved as well).

    I'd rank them as Boyd wont improve, Smith probably will, Jong might.
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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    Crazy isn't it. It's great to be able to win the ball, but if you give it straight back you are defeating the purpose of your previous actions.

    Give me a moderately courageous player with good skills over a hard-nut turn-over merchant every day of the week... and twice on Sundays.
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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe View Post
    Not sure I can agree with this.

    If a player is only going to go when it suits he is not going to get it very often and his skills become irrelevant.

    I do agree that we still need the courageous play to be coupled with retention of possession, but you can't compromise on attack on the ball unless you are playing a purely outside role. I don't believe the purely outside role really exists in the current game and certainly not in the BMac game.
    It's a decision making thing, a ruckman doesn't take a bounce and pinpoint a 50m pass, they hand it off to the players with the ability to pull it off.

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    So now you're a Nathan Eagleton fan?
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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis View Post
    Crazy isn't it. It's great to be able to win the ball, but if you give it straight back you are defeating the purpose of your previous actions.

    Give me a moderately courageous player with good skills over a hard-nut turn-over merchant every day of the week... and twice on Sundays.
    You must have been a big fan of Nathan Eagleton then...wait a minute!

    Seriously though. I'm a big fan of Lin, he's got all the tools just needs to make better decisions with the ball in hand. I think he'll get there and when he does watch out we may have a cult hero on our hands.

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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    No player comes into the game with a perfect ten on all skill sets. Every player has weaknesses in their game. Technique stuff can be taught and improved on. Surely that is what all these coaching staff are there for. Game awareness should come with experience. However, you can not teach courage, a fighting spirit, or determination. I would prefer to start out with a player who has those attributes, rather than a silky skilled one who does not.

    One you can coach and improve, the other is a case of what you see is all you get.

    I don't know if Lin will make it at the top level or not, I hope he does. But I am pretty impressed with the positives he brings to the table, and think he is off to a very good start.

    The improvement rate he demonstrated last season going from novice in the Willy reserves to a number of senior games with the Dogs would be remarkable for a kid who had played the game all his life, let alone a comparative novice.

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    Enjoy



    Translated:

    I am the Strength of Men We do strong pillars of our step-by-step to do a good job chest Han I heat with 100 points out of 1000 by Edward To be a good man Intestinal blood hot hot More light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy
     To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit I am the Strength of Men

    Face waves million arrogance Blood as the red sun Iron gall bone, such as stainless steel may Zhangting minded vision of thousands of miles long I work hard to do a good job Han A day to be a good man to self-improvement Han blood man more light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit
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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by The Bulldogs Bite View Post
    Much does depend on his ability to improve his decision making and disposal by foot.

    However, he's got a lot of attributes to work with. Big body, height, elite speed, athletic, finds plenty of the ball, extremely courageous and very good in a contested situation.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see him become a very good footballer, but the decision making and especially/moreso the disposal needs to improve -- particularly given where our deficiencies lay at currently.
    Agree with all that.

    There was one contest on Friday when he get in very low and hard, won the ball and then very quickly recovered his feet and got away from the contest - it was almost Griff circa 2005/6 off half back like. To be a defender he's going to need to make significant improvements to his disposal and decision making but he seems driven to keep working on it.

    I like him, hope he continues to improve and makes it.

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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

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    Translated:

    I am the Strength of Men We do strong pillars of our step-by-step to do a good job chest Han I heat with 100 points out of 1000 by Edward To be a good man Intestinal blood hot hot More light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy
     To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit I am the Strength of Men

    Face waves million arrogance Blood as the red sun Iron gall bone, such as stainless steel may Zhangting minded vision of thousands of miles long I work hard to do a good job Han A day to be a good man to self-improvement Han blood man more light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit

    My thoughts exactly!

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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by chef View Post
    can't see him having a very long career unless he can dramatically improve his disposal by hand and foot.
    Croosy has made a fair career with us, why can't Lin do the same?????

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    Re: Lightning Lin wants back six spot

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    I am the Strength of Men We do strong pillars of our step-by-step to do a good job chest Han I heat with 100 points out of 1000 by Edward To be a good man Intestinal blood hot hot More light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy
     To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit I am the Strength of Men

    Face waves million arrogance Blood as the red sun Iron gall bone, such as stainless steel may Zhangting minded vision of thousands of miles long I work hard to do a good job Han A day to be a good man to self-improvement Han blood man more light than the sun Let the sea and the sky for me Poly energy To making the ideal for me to make their fortune See blue high-Zhuang To see clear blue sky and bright young noble spirit
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