Simon Dalrymple Performance Analysis

[Remi Moses]

Rhylee West is aggressive at the contest. Surprise!?
No doubt whatsoever Tom Boyd will be a dominant KPF (thought of you when he said that )
I think we might trade our first rounder by the sounds of it (for the right player). May increase our risk, may look for the immediate need and talent not deep... That's my reading of those three quotes.
Very confident JJ will stay.
'We have room in our TPP (salary cap), after all we chased Hurley'.
Bevo very strong on rucks and what they need to do. Also looking at ruck recruiting if 'last touch' came in (I.e. Wouldn't be as vital a position).
Hoping the possible CatB Rookie Tuku from Western Jets comes on by next year, may train with us over Summer.
Tweedie hopefully on the park after the bye round sometime.
Dal spends a minimum 2.5 days a week watching videos of player vision. Plus watching games on top. Plus various meetings each week. Busy man.
In favour of abondoing the rookie list in favour of a bigger primary list.

Funny listening to Good old slobo, after he called him Jason Johnson twice , he banged on about being tight in the cap .
Throwing up hypotheticals about the Bont earning a mil, and Boyd taking up our salary space , but somehow forgot that we offered Hurley a heap to leave last year .

[Twodogs]

Funny listening to Good old slobo, after he called him Jason Johnson twice , he banged on about being tight in the cap .
Throwing up hypotheticals about the Bont earning a mil, and Boyd taking up our salary space , but somehow forgot that we offered Hurley a heap to leave last year .

And instead of trying to create trouble at our club with hypotheticals, maybe he should be doing his job as a journo and asking Essendon some hypotheticals about their salary cap and how they managed to squeeze all those returning players into it.

[ledge]

Bevo said on the couch that Boyd is more a ruck going forward than a forward going in the ruck.
If that's the case if Tim English can take marks in the forward line we have a real massive problem for the opposition.

[bornadog]

Was Simon any good?

The following are the National Draft picks - no rookies

	Pick number			games
2009	15	Christian Howard		20
	31	Jason Tutt		26
	63	Lukas Markovic		29
	76	Shane Thorne		0
	86	Liam Picken R		175
	92	James Mulligan R		3
2010	22	Mitchell Wallis F		145
	41	Thomas Liberatore F		142
	74	Jayden Schofield		7
	88	Zephaniah Skinner		8
	89	Tom Hill		0
	102	Brodie Moles R		4
	110	Andrew Hooper R		6
2011	17	Clay Smith		55
	39	Michael Talia		30
	49	Daniel Pearce		6
	57	Tory Dickson		113
	70	Luke Dahlhaus R	Geelong	143
	73	Matthew Panos R		0
2012	5	Jake Stringer	Essendon	89
	6	Jackson Macrae		153
	21	Nathan Hrovat		30
	49	Lachlan Hunter F		132
	50	Joshua Prudden		4
	98	Tom Campbell R	North Melbourne	35
	105	Jason Johannisen R		134
2013	4	Marcus Bontempelli		139
	42	Matthew Fuller		0
	60	Mitch Honeychurch		35
	84	Brett Goodes R		9
2014	26	Toby McLean		87
	27	Lukas Webb C		24
	39	Declan Hamilton C		0
	45	Bailey Dale		59
	46	Caleb Daniel		103
	62	Zaine Cordy F		81
2015	25	Josh Dunkley F		72
	26	Kieran Collins		1
	35	Marcus Adams	Brisbane	27
	48	Bailey Williams		53
2016	19	Timothy English	Western Bulldogs	41
	28	Patrick Lipinski	Western Bulldogs	42
	49	Lewis Young	Western Bulldogs	15
	70	Fergus Greene	Western Bulldogs	5

* 44 National Draft Players
*10 over 100 games
*6 over 50, plus most likely English and Lippa
*28 very average or not good enough players

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Was Simon any good?

The following are the National Draft picks - no rookies

	Pick number			games
2009	15	Christian Howard		20
	31	Jason Tutt		26
	63	Lukas Markovic		29
	76	Shane Thorne		0
	86	Liam Picken R		175
	92	James Mulligan R		3
2010	22	Mitchell Wallis F		145
	41	Thomas Liberatore F		142
	74	Jayden Schofield		7
	88	Zephaniah Skinner		8
	89	Tom Hill		0
	102	Brodie Moles R		4
	110	Andrew Hooper R		6
2011	17	Clay Smith		55
	39	Michael Talia		30
	49	Daniel Pearce		6
	57	Tory Dickson		113
	70	Luke Dahlhaus R	Geelong	143
	73	Matthew Panos R		0
2012	5	Jake Stringer	Essendon	89
	6	Jackson Macrae		153
	21	Nathan Hrovat		30
	49	Lachlan Hunter F		132
	50	Joshua Prudden		4
	98	Tom Campbell R	North Melbourne	35
	105	Jason Johannisen R		134
2013	4	Marcus Bontempelli		139
	42	Matthew Fuller		0
	60	Mitch Honeychurch		35
	84	Brett Goodes R		9
2014	26	Toby McLean		87
	27	Lukas Webb C		24
	39	Declan Hamilton C		0
	45	Bailey Dale		59
	46	Caleb Daniel		103
	62	Zaine Cordy F		81
2015	25	Josh Dunkley F		72
	26	Kieran Collins		1
	35	Marcus Adams	Brisbane	27
	48	Bailey Williams		53
2016	19	Timothy English	Western Bulldogs	41
	28	Patrick Lipinski	Western Bulldogs	42
	49	Lewis Young	Western Bulldogs	15
	70	Fergus Greene	Western Bulldogs	5

* 44 National Draft Players
*10 over 100 games
*6 over 50, plus most likely English and Lippa
*28 very average or not good enough players

Great work pulling all that together BAD, but I'm unsure on it's own it's good enough to measure his performance. We'd need to compare against a raft of other variables:
*average games played for each draft position in AFL draft historically
*comparision against other recruiters and their 'hit rate'

I know that drafting is very hit and miss, with even the good recruiters getting a lot of misses.
Someone with more data analysis skills might be able to propose what other variabes and data we'd need to better assess his performance.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Interesting isnt it

We get a big bump from some excellent father sons being lower value picks - Libba, Wallis, Cordy and Hunter

He's nailed some high selections in Macrae, Stringer, Bont and then had some sparkling successes in late picks Dahl, JJ

But then also been good in the 20-50 range with Dunkley, Dickson, Lippa, McLean, Bailey Williams, Bailey Dale etc



Ultimately we won a flag and he did a lot of the work putting together that team - so he deserves to be remembered somewhat fondly

[Remi Moses]

I tend to look how our recruiting was resourced when he started
Wasn’t great if I recall

[Doc26]

Thanks BD. Good to analyse this. The other caveat of course if what level of autonomy did Simon have in the selection of these players throughout his tenure.

[Topdog]

14 picks at 70+ in the draft too

[GVGjr]

We would be doing Dalrymple a disservice by not calling out his great work from the rookie list selections
As BAD's list highlights he and the team nailed a few of them

[soupman]

Some of the "failures" need to be looked into deeper too.

Zephi Skinner for example must have been a decision made by a big group, Dalrymple from the "could he be good enough" aspect, but I'd imagine many people including the coach, football director etc would have been involved in the call of whether or not they could turn him into an actual AFL player.

[jeemak]

Some of the "failures" need to be looked into deeper too.

Zephi Skinner for example must have been a decision made by a big group, Dalrymple from the "could he be good enough" aspect, but I'd imagine many people including the coach, football director etc would have been involved in the call of whether or not they could turn him into an actual AFL player.

Nope. Recruitment is a blood sport where coaches and recruiters go head to head to control the ultimate outcome of one player being on the list and another not being on the list. You need to catch up on your reading mate.

[AshMac]

Great post BAD - on raw stats it’s a very mixed report card for him. Some absolute stars with first picks (except Howard) And some real flops with 2+ pick. As others say - lots of other variables, including autonomy.

And on autonomy... Interesting story,

I used to bump into Brendan McCartney on my walk to work regularly after he started at Melbourne. I introduced myself and we’d chat 1-2 times a week for nearly 6 months. It got to the point where I’d flat out ask him about people at the club - he never held back.

He was adamant (long backstory about watching Bont in the juniors) that Dalrymple was set on Aish that year. McCartney put his foot down, said he wasn’t popular for it and insisted on Bont and the rest is history.

Potentially a very different outcome for the club and the sentiment in this thread.