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    Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-2...circle-higgins

    Never a good sign when these articles appear around this time of the year.
    Interested to hear the thoughts of the faithfull on this forum. How hard should we fight to keep him.

    Apparently we offered 2 years and he wanted 3. Fair enough given his inconsistency and constant injuries.

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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    If he wants 3 years, we don't fight hard at all to keep him - pretty simple. The only fighting we should be doing is to AFL House to lobby them to square up our ridiculously poor compensation for Ward in the event that Higgins takes an offer elsewhere.

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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    I think we should make him an offer he can easily refuse. He's cream not cake, a nice player that can play a role in a good team, not a player that's going to make a team good. That's overlooking the fact that he's perennially carrying some sort of injury restricting his performance.

    For all the talk of the leadership he offers, he seems to be overlooking the fact we've stuck by him through long periods of absence, and is chasing the highest offer he can get the moment he's able to. Doesn't sound like the type of leader I'd want to be under. If he wants to stay, fine, but he can do it on terms that suit us, not on where he feels he should be.
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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Not a lot of love for Higgins it seems. What is it about him that hasn't endeared him to supporters like say Tom Williams did?
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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    A player that has offered so much and produced so little.
    He could have been a major star of the competition at this stage in his career but injury has always set him back.
    I think now it has destroyed any hope of him really reaching stardom, still a good player but you wouldn't go overboard on a contract with so of the younger brigade coming on.
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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Sick of supporters expecting every player to be a star week in week out, getting 30 plus possessions. Reality is rarely do teams have more than two or three A Graders.

    We need players contributing every week and doing their job, especially in the 24 to 28 years bracket. Guys like Higgins, Grant are now in that bracket and supporters don't care if they leave, yet every one screams blue murder saying we are unbalanced and don't have players in that bracket.

    To me Higgins is a required player and is at the right age to be a leader at the club. He has shown this year he has class and the ability to do the job the coach requires. Yes he has been out of form the past few weeks and has been dropped to regain his form form earlier in the year.

    Lets get this resolved and keep a player of his immense talent.
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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Sick of supporters expecting every player to be a star week in week out, getting 30 plus possessions. Reality is rarely do teams have more than two or three A Graders.

    We need players contributing every week and doing their job, especially in the 24 to 28 years bracket. Guys like Higgins, Grant are now in that bracket and supporters don't care if they leave, yet every one screams blue murder saying we are unbalanced and don't have players in that bracket.

    To me Higgins is a required player and is at the right age to be a leader at the club. He has shown this year he has class and the ability to do the job the coach requires. Yes he has been out of form the past few weeks and has been dropped to regain his form form earlier in the year.

    Lets get this resolved and keep a player of his immense talent.
    That's all very true. But if Higgins is exploring options elsewhere and has a 3 year deal for 400k on the table. Would you be prepared to match that given his durability to date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaytee View Post
    That's all very true. But if Higgins is exploring options elsewhere and has a 3 year deal for 400k on the table. Would you be prepared to match that given his durability to date?
    I really don't care about the money, not my problem. The salary players are paid is up to the club to balance out, not supporters. We should be worried more about the investment we have put into this guy and whether we believe he is the right player for the team.
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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Sick of supporters expecting every player to be a star week in week out, getting 30 plus possessions. Reality is rarely do teams have more than two or three A Graders.

    We need players contributing every week and doing their job, especially in the 24 to 28 years bracket. Guys like Higgins, Grant are now in that bracket and supporters don't care if they leave, yet every one screams blue murder saying we are unbalanced and don't have players in that bracket.

    To me Higgins is a required player and is at the right age to be a leader at the club. He has shown this year he has class and the ability to do the job the coach requires. Yes he has been out of form the past few weeks and has been dropped to regain his form form earlier in the year.

    Lets get this resolved and keep a player of his immense talent.
    Giving Higgins a 3 year contract is the height of list management irresponsibility for the myriad of reasons stated by others. If another club is prepared to offer him that, we should rightly step aside.

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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sedat View Post
    Giving Higgins a 3 year contract is the height of list management irresponsibility for the myriad of reasons stated by others. If another club is prepared to offer him that, we should rightly step aside.
    Reasons???? Is that the clubs positions? Yep and let another player go that is in the right bracket. Do you realise for the past at least 10 years we have had a lack of players on our list in the 100 to 150 game bracket. Tells you something.
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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Sick of supporters expecting every player to be a star week in week out, getting 30 plus possessions. Reality is rarely do teams have more than two or three A Graders.

    We need players contributing every week and doing their job, especially in the 24 to 28 years bracket. Guys like Higgins, Grant are now in that bracket and supporters don't care if they leave, yet every one screams blue murder saying we are unbalanced and don't have players in that bracket.


    To me Higgins is a required player and is at the right age to be a leader at the club. He has shown this year he has class and the ability to do the job the coach requires. Yes he has been out of form the past few weeks and has been dropped to regain his form form earlier in the year.

    Lets get this resolved and keep a player of his immense talent.
    No, what supporters are screaming blue murder about is we don't have QUALITY players in that age bracket. Higgins and Grant are currently being kept out of the seniors by a group of young kids or aging veterans. Guys in that age bracket should be the backbone of the team, not fringe bit part players. If it was just about age profile we would've kept Addison on this year.
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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    I really don't care about the money, not my problem. The salary players are paid is up to the club to balance out, not supporters. We should be worried more about the investment we have put into this guy and whether we believe he is the right player for the team.
    What...? Isn't whether we keep Higgins or not also up the club, not supporters? Pretty sure the length of contract and the salary Higgins demands is apart of the discussion...

    Maybe Higgins should be more worried about the time and investment the club has put into him before he goes chasing a better contract.

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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greystache View Post
    No, what supporters are screaming blue murder about is we don't have QUALITY players in that age bracket. Higgins and Grant are currently being kept out of the seniors by a group of young kids or aging veterans. Guys in that age bracket should be the backbone of the team, not fringe bit part players. If it was just about age profile we would've kept Addison on this year.
    So Higgins is a fringe player - bloody hell, you have really lost me now. As for Grant, we know your feelings about him so no comment.
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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Reasons???? Is that the clubs positions? Yep and let another player go that is in the right bracket. Do you realise for the past at least 10 years we have had a lack of players on our list in the 100 to 150 game bracket. Tells you something.
    Current age, lack of durability, lack of leg speed, lack of defensive intent. A 3 year contract is madness for Higgins based on those factors alone IMO. Higgins has talent but we would be far better served from a list management perspective to invest his salary expectations for the next 3 years into shoring up our emerging stars. Locking away a decent portion of salary cap space on Higgins in the next 3 years is simply not worth the return, nor is it worth the risk of losing a younger and better player.

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    Re: Higgins....How hard should the club fight to keep him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sedat View Post
    Current age, lack of durability, lack of leg speed, lack of defensive intent. A 3 year contract is madness for Higgins based on those factors alone IMO. Higgins has talent but we would be far better served from a list management perspective to invest his salary expectations for the next 3 years into shoring up our emerging stars. Locking away a decent portion of salary cap space on Higgins in the next 3 years is simply not worth the return, nor is it worth the risk of losing a younger and better player.
    I think the two year offer is about right.
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