2014 /15 - List Review Analysis

[Sedat]

Apologies for my laziness, but when is the final deadline for final list lodgements? Using pick 46 to upgrade Redpath would be the height of idiocy IMO, so I'm very much hoping that there is one final delisting to take place so that we have our full compliment of 5 live picks in the top 50.

[LostDoggy]

Apologies for my laziness, but when is the final deadline for final list lodgements? Using pick 46 to upgrade Redpath would be the height of idiocy IMO, so I'm very much hoping that there is one final delisting to take place so that we have our full compliment of 5 live picks in the top 50.

Wednesday November 12 - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (1) closes; Out of contract listed AFL primary list players draft nomination form and player request for removal from list form Lodged with AFL; New or expired (after three years) draft nomination form lodgement.

Thursday November 13, by 2pm - List lodgement (2).

Friday November 14 - AFL delisted player free agency period (2) begins

Wednesday November 19 - Delisted primary list draft nomination form lodgement; Non–retained rookie players draft nomination form lodgement; Players not registered or played for three years rookie nomination. NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (2) closes

Thursday November 27 - NAB AFL Draft selection meeting (Gold Coast Convention Centre).

[Axe Man]

Could we do worse than Caleb Daniel? There is no doubt he knows how to play footy and he ran a 16.1 beep so he has the endurance already.

yes at 1.67 he is 2 inches shorter than Harvey, but lets face it, at that size you are an outside mid in the AFL. He is quick over short and long distances and can run all day.

Do we need a player like Harvey? yes we do.

He's the same height as Harvey - both are listed as 167cm.

Interesting article on him here comparing him to Andrew Hooper:

Caleb Daniel – this draft’s mini-Ablett

This year’s AFL draft combine is helping to heighten the draft prospects of its smallest participant.

South Australian Caleb Daniel, who starred in this year’s National Under-18 Championships, is quite possibly the most talented player in the draft.

He is also far from a certainty to be picked up by a club.

Daniel stands an imposing 167cm and 66kg – the shortest player in attendance at the combine – but has won many plaudits for his game through both his years as a junior as well as playing with grown men in the SANFL.

In recent years, shorter players have often struggled to be drafted by AFL clubs due to the increasingly physical nature of the game, and when they have have often struggled.

2010 rookie draftee Andrew Hooper is a prime example of this reasoning.

Standing 172cm, but a heftier 83kg, Hooper was the best player at the Under-18’s Championships in 2009, alongside number one draftee David Swallow.

He had a highly impressive AFL Draft Camp, coming second in the agility test, and third in both the 20m sprint and standing vertical leap.

However Hooper was passed up in that year’s National Draft, falling through to the 35th pick of the Rookie Draft when the Bulldog’s picked him up.

A decorated junior and impressive participant at the Draft Camp, Hooper only managed seven games (his first in a final) and seven goals over his three seasons at the Bulldogs, being delisted at the end of 2012.

While Hooper may have failed to establish himself in the AFL, that does not mean that Daniel will have the same fate.

If he were taller, Daniel’s skillset and athleticism would quite possibly call him into the questioning for the number one pick at the draft.

A fantastic 27-possession, three-goal game against Vic Country in the Under-18’s Championships highlighted his potential against quality – albeit youthful – opposition.

Highly skilled off both feet with outstanding agility, Daniel also recorded the equal-best score in the beep test yesterday, scoring a 16.1 alongside New South Wales midfielder Jack Hiscox.

There remains no more interesting a prospect this year than Caleb Daniel – an elite talent in a tiny body.

If there is one player who will have done all he could to make it in the AFL, it will be Daniel.

[Cyberdoggie]

The difference with Hooper is that he was limited in his ability to cover the ground.
He could only play as a very small defender, or a small forward, and as he wasn't having much of an impact up forward for the dogs
he couldn't find a place.

Daniel from all reports is a ferocious in and under midfielder with elite endurance.
So as long as he isn't as slow as treacle and a liability defensively then I see no reason why his height would be too much of a problem.

[KT31]

The difference with Hooper is that he was limited in his ability to cover the ground.
He could only play as a very small defender, or a small forward, and as he wasn't having much of an impact up forward for the dogs
he couldn't find a place.

Daniel from all reports is a ferocious in and under midfielder with elite endurance.
So as long as he isn't as slow as treacle and a liability defensively then I see no reason why his height would be too much of a problem.

Comparative to Libba Senior ?

[LostDoggy]

Plus comes with speed and at least a 50 metre kick on him Double the Libba,Double the PITBULL

[Sedat]

The difference with Hooper is that he was limited in his ability to cover the ground.
He could only play as a very small defender, or a small forward, and as he wasn't having much of an impact up forward for the dogs
he couldn't find a place.

Daniel from all reports is a ferocious in and under midfielder with elite endurance.
So as long as he isn't as slow as treacle and a liability defensively then I see no reason why his height would be too much of a problem.

Hooper was actually the world's smallest key position forward. He didn't play small in the traditional sense, he only was small.

[Greystache]

Hooper was actually the world's smallest key position forward. He didn't play small in the traditional sense, he only was small.

Also for a player of his stature he had remarkably poor agility. He really could only run in straight lines.

[FrediKanoute]

Not opposed to taking caleb, a little like what we did with Honeychurch. I suspect he will fall so I would be inclined to take with our 20's and 30's picks guys we know will not be there later.

[wimberga]

Not opposed to taking caleb, a little like what we did with Honeychurch. I suspect he will fall so I would be inclined to take with our 20's and 30's picks guys we know will not be there later.

Agree with this. Daniel has some risks and whilst he sure can play, I'd prefer we look set selecting him later in the draft than with any of our first 3 picks

[Axe Man]

He had a highly impressive AFL Draft Camp, coming second in the agility test, and third in both the 20m sprint and standing vertical leap.

Also for a player of his stature he had remarkably poor agility. He really could only run in straight lines.

So is the agility test flawed or did Hooper put on weight and lose agility after he joined us?

[F'scary]

So is the agility test flawed or did Hooper put on weight and lose agility after he joined us?

He may have tested agile but his playing style was more human bowling ball than Fred Astaire.

[macca]

How does good agility translate to being a good footballer or under what scenarios? Just a question on how this state translate to being a good footballer. Can u lose agility and become a worse footballer?

[LostDoggy]

My take on agility is the ability to move and change directions quickly, certainly helps whilst trying to evade would be tacklers, double back off leads, chase opponents, etc.

Of course you still need to know the right way to use this agility, but having the physical predisposition is certainly important.

[Go_Dogs]

How does good agility translate to being a good footballer or under what scenarios? Just a question on how this state translate to being a good footballer. Can u lose agility and become a worse footballer?

Hunter's excellent agility test seems to translate pretty well, but he has a very different physique to that which Hooper had.

Ultimately it depends on the role, but as a small playe without break neck speed, I think agility is a pretty important trait.