Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English

[macca]

We need to make a big play for Draper. He is the man for the job. Maybe even trade for a bloke called Sweet that can’t get a game.

WE have Sweet , put the challenge to him, to become the angry, power, ruck prescence.

McInerny from Brisbane has a high handball to kick ratio, as his job is to provide a contest in the ruck, and provide it to other better disposal players. Be a marking Prescence , or at least halve it when its there to be one. His not a superstar, just gets the job done. They recruited him from VFL, pick 37 in the 2017 rookie draft.

Sweet , 23rd draft pick in the 2018 AFL Rookie draft. 10 games , Oscar has played 102 games . Do Brisbane have different parameters for ruckman than us?

I lost it with English today, when he got pushed aside by Williams/Allen so many times. His really not a ruckman more a midfielder like some have mentioned.

[hujsh]

Is there anything this guy is actually good at? Not good below his knees, not that great in the ruck, only really has good disposal with lots of time and space but under any pressure isn't really any good, can get disposals as long as his opponent doesn't put any effort into preventing him from doing so. Can we still get pick one for him?

I guess pick 2

[bornadog]

Tim English

21 Disposal, 9 Marks, 51 Hitouts (11 to Advantage)

Not sure what else he can do as a ruckman

[angelopetraglia]

Tim English

21 Disposal, 9 Marks, 51 Hitouts (11 to Advantage)

Not sure what else he can do as a ruckman

a) Create a greater physical presence
b) Be more reliable in critical clearances when the game is there to be won
c) Compete more reliably against stronger ruckman
d) Be more like Max Gawn

[merantau]

51 hit outs, 11 to advantage - yes, but whose advantage!

Seriously, I do see him hitting the ball directly to the opposition far too often for my liking. What happened to the other 41 hit outs? They went nowhere? Or to congestion for another stoppage? Or out over the boundary? I just don't see that we are getting much advantage from his ruck work. And as regards his physicality- he's had a few years to work on that and I don't see much change. Am I expecting too much from him? He cost us two out of the first three goals they scored.

[DOG GOD]

English should be playing the role that Lobb is. There was no need to trade for Lobb. But it was either Tim?s ego wanting to be the #1 ruck, or the MC incompetence to allow that to happen has seen Tim probably lose more games for us than he?s actually won. Seems like a nice guy, and there lies the problem on field. He has ZERO mongrel.
He had shown he has a good fwd craft. Moves well, leads well and can take a solid mark. Fairly accurate kick. He’s just a player being played out of his best position…like a lot of players.

[Scraggers]

Then why is he in All Australian contention??
Two weeks ago, he was touted as the best in the league and the benchmark for all other ruckmen.

[hujsh]

Tim English

21 Disposal, 9 Marks, 51 Hitouts (11 to Advantage)

Not sure what else he can do as a ruckman

When you watch the game, not looking at the stat sheet, do you sit back and think 'gee English is really having an impact on this game' or do you see the stats after the game and think 'I guess he must have played well, got a fair bit of the ball and he did better than I thought at the hitouts'?

For me it's the latter. I'm no longer convinced I'm just missing his impact. I think he's a supercoach ruck. Great on paper. All the media talking heads will see the stats and say 'yep he's the AA ruckman' but realistically what impact has his 'breakout year' had on our performance? Do we look any better in the middle? Do we look more dangerous? Is there any major correlation between games where English has performed better on the stat sheet and our team performance?

[bornadog]

When you watch the game, not looking at the stat sheet, do you sit back and think 'gee English is really having an impact on this game' or do you see the stats after the game and think 'I guess he must have played well, got a fair bit of the ball and he did better than I thought at the hitouts'?

For me it's the latter. I'm no longer convinced I'm just missing his impact. I think he's a supercoach ruck. Great on paper. All the media talking heads will see the stats and say 'yep he's the AA ruckman' but realistically what impact has his 'breakout year' had on our performance? Do we look any better in the middle? Do we look more dangerous? Is there any major correlation between games where English has performed better on the stat sheet and our team performance?

I watch a guy that is 205xcm really impacting a game. Maybe get to a few games.

Criticism coming from when we lose. Honestly Bulldog supports only ones not happy with him. He will be AA

[angelopetraglia]

Then why is he in All Australian contention??
Two weeks ago, he was touted as the best in the league and the benchmark for all other ruckmen.

You are going into a massive cut throat final. Are you taking Tim English against the other premier Rucks in the game?

English or Gawn?

English or Darcy?

English or Marshall?

English or Witts?

English or Draper?

English or McInerney?

[hujsh]

I watch a guy that is 205xcm really impacting a game. Maybe get to a few games.

Criticism coming from when we lose. Honestly Bulldog supports only ones not happy with him. He will be AA

Yeah I've seen him have virtually no impact live. It's actually easier on the TV TBH. How else would you like to dismiss me?

[GVGjr]

You are going into a massive cut throat final. Are you taking Tim English against the other premier Rucks in the game?

English or Gawn?

English or Darcy?

English or Marshall?

English or Witts?

English or Draper?

English or McInerney?

Outside of Gawn, I'm okay with backing Tim.

[angelopetraglia]

Outside of Gawn, I'm okay with backing Tim.

Fair enough. In a big final, I'm not taking Tim before Gawn, Darcy, Marshall, Draper and possibly the Big O and Witts, just for physical presence and intimidation.

[bornadog]

You are going into a massive cut throat final. Are you taking Tim English against the other premier Rucks in the game?

English or Gawn?

English or Darcy?

English or Marshall?

English or Witts?

English or Draper?

English or McInerney?

Unfair comparison when Gawn has played 200 games and is more mature. At the same age, Tim more than stands upagainst a Gawn

At the same age:

Player Statistics Comparison

Timothy English Name Max Gawn Western Bulldogs Team Melbourne Demons Ruck Position Ruck 107 Career Games 200 South Fremantle Origin Sandringham Dragons August 10, 1997 Date of Birth December 30, 1991 26yr 0mth Age Turned 26 in 2017 207cm Height 209cm 103kg Weight 111kg 2016 National Draft Last Drafted In 2009 National Draft Round 1, Pick #19 Last Draft Position Round 3, Pick #34 Western Bulldogs Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons 2023 Stats for Season 2017 22 Games 13 11.3 Kicks 5.9 7.9 Handballs 6.4 19.2 Disposals 12.3 6.4 Marks 3.5 0.6 Goals 0.3 0.2 Behinds 0.3 4.4 Tackles 2.8 31.6 Hitouts 35.9 3.3 Inside 50s 2.0 0.2 Goal Assists 0.2 1.8 Frees For 1.4 1.4 Frees Against 1.9 9.1 Contested Possessions 6.8 11.1 Uncontested Possessions 6.2 14.0 Effective Disposals 8.5 72.9% Disposal Efficiency % 69.1% 3.4 Clangers 2.9 1.2 Contested Marks 1.7 0.6 Marks Inside 50 0.7 3.3 Clearances 2.7 1.9 Rebound 50s 1.0 4.3 One Percenters 3.1 0.4 Bounces 0 85.7 Time On Ground % 79.5 1.2 Centre Clearances 0.9 2.1 Stoppage Clearances 1.9 5.4 Score Involvements 3.9 255.9 Metres Gained 126.6 3.2 Turnovers 1.9 4.4 Intercepts 2.8 0.5 Tackles Inside 50 0.7 119.6 AFL Fantasy Score 85.8 129.1 Supercoach Score 91.6

[bornadog]

Yeah I've seen him have virtually no impact live. It's actually easier on the TV TBH. How else would you like to dismiss me?

Sorry not trying to dismiss you.

I just can't believe the bagging and treatment of Tim by many on this board, which I believe is unwarranted.