Match Committee - Round 17, 2017 vs Carlton

[Rocco Jones]

Yeah but Rocco, he has been on the list for 3x years and hasn't played. Surely we have to at least put him in a game and find out if he is actually any good or not??? Setting aside coaching time he would have cost the club around $300K in the last 3-years and hasn't even played...aren't we obligated to find out if he is any good or not?

I know everyone is saying players need to earn their spots etc but I still think there comes a point where these draftees have to get a game so we can actually figure out if they can play. Remember, every time he hasn't been picked over the past few years it is the equivalent of the MC telling him he isn't good enough...maybe what he needs is the positive reinforcement that comes from just getting a game!

If Hamilton plays I for one will be very happy.

I am hearing what you are saying, just the balance between that and winning. The dilemma of struggling and needing to win each week to make the finals. Easier when things are flying or you're so far out of contention you can just blood kids. The issue with Hamilton is he is an outside guy who often doesn't get near it at even VFL level. Worried about him being an absolute passenger if he gets a game. I guess thing is, we have had them anyway.

We simply cannot play Honeychurch again. I have reservations about playing Dickson, Roberts and Hamilton. We need to play one of them.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Just catching up with this thread, so forgive the back-track.

Re the (ridiculous) Easton Wood "hit" -- could we please not use the term 'love tap'? It's a small thing but using this kind of language does help to normalise domestic violence. Don't want to sound like a wowser but it is something that really bothers me. Cheers.

"Love tap" is a term that should not be used. To associate any act of violence with love is wrong and dangerous. To justify an act of violence as one of love is perverse.
It is better to say the act was not intended to hurt or was without malice etc

[Rocco Jones]

"Love tap" is a term that should not be used. To associate any act of violence with love is wrong and dangerous. To justify an act of violence as one of love is perverse.
It is better to say the act was not intended to hurt or was without malice etc

Agree with both of you. This 'innocent' language is harmful.

[mjp]

I am hearing what you are saying, just the balance between that and winning. The dilemma of struggling and needing to win each week to make the finals. Easier when things are flying or you're so far out of contention you can just blood kids. The issue with Hamilton is he is an outside guy who often doesn't get near it at even VFL level. Worried about him being an absolute passenger if he gets a game. I guess thing is, we have had them anyway.

We simply cannot play Honeychurch again. I have reservations about playing Dickson, Roberts and Hamilton. We need to play one of them.

And I get that - but our fate lies with our supposed best players playing well, not on whether or not the bottom 3 or 4 in the squad are world beaters.

[Rocco Jones]

And I get that - but our fate lies with our supposed best players playing well, not on whether or not the bottom 3 or 4 in the squad are world beaters.

Absolutely. Thing is, our bottom 3 aren't doing much anyway. I guess Hamilton is a bigger risk than average kid of having zero impact. I agree we need to give him a game sometime. I think next week in Cairns looks as uncontested as a game might get. Maybe then?

[bornadog]

And I get that - but our fate lies with our supposed best players playing well, not on whether or not the bottom 3 or 4 in the squad are world beaters.

Absolutely. Thing is, our bottom 3 aren't doing much anyway. I guess Hamilton is a bigger risk than average kid of having zero impact. I agree we need to give him a game sometime. I think next week in Cairns looks as uncontested as a game might get. Maybe then?

Just checked with Stevo on twitter and he said Hamilton won't be playing.

[LostDoggy]

Dickson coming into the squad means he will play for mine.

I get the feeling he will have a job to do on Docherty. Similar to the Heath Shaw role in the prelim.

I think Honeychurch, Hamilton & Roberts will miss.

Final Interchange - Libba, Daniel, Williams & Dickson

[bornadog]

Final Team

Int; Liberatore Honeychurch Willliams Daniel


Em; Roberts Hamilton Dickson


In: Murphy Biggs Williams Young

Out MBoyd Wood Roberts Smith

[divvydan]

Carlton's changes:

A Silvagni, Buckley, Boekhorst, Graham, Byrne in for White, Cripps, Cuningham, Sheehan, Macreadie.

[bornadog]

Full back	D Morris	Z Cordy	J Johannisen
Half back	S Biggs	L Young	M Suckling
Centreline	L Hunter	M Wallis	R Murphy
Half forward	T McLean	J Stringer	L Dahlhaus
Full forward	B Dale	J Redpath	L Picken
Followers	J Roughead	M Bontempelli	J Macrae
Interchange	T Liberatore	M Honeychurch	B Williams
	C Daniel
Emergencies	F Roberts	D Hamilton	T Dickson

IN: R. Murphy. S. Biggs, B. Williams, L. Young
OUT: M. Boyd (achilles), E. Wood (suspension), F. Roberts (omitted), C. Smith (omitted)

[bornadog]

I want to see Redpath kick 5 on Jones and smash him.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

How is Honeychurch still in this side?

... I'm tipping Carltank.

[bulldogtragic]

How is Honeychurch still in this side?

... I'm tipping Carltank.

He's been awful. He's been a liability, a small forward who hasn't kicked goals or added a damn thing. Players picked on good performance my arse.

[Axe Man]

He's been awful. He's been a liability, a small forward who hasn't kicked goals or added a damn thing. Players picked on good performance my arse.

On Fox last night they highlighted an instance where he showed a complete lack of effort in the Adelaide game. If he's not bringing intensity and pressure what is he in the side for? Certainly not his physical attributes or skills. Has to be his last chance, hopefully he can prove us all wrong.

[bulldogtragic]

On Fox last night they highlighted an instance where he showed a complete lack of effort in the Adelaide game. If he's not bringing intensity and pressure what is he in the side for? Certainly not his physical attributes or skills. Has to be his last chance, hopefully he can prove us all wrong.

Move him to full back and see if he can pull a 'Liam Jones'.