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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
Pay the price.
Tim's one of us. We drafted him and he has grown with us...
I hate turning footy into transactions. Tim is a Bulldog - make it so.
What should I tell her? She's going to ask.
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
Paying Jamarra or Naughton big money is different, you can name a few games they have won for us already, I don’t see it with English.
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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mjp
Pay the price.
Tim's one of us. We drafted him and he has grown with us...
I hate turning footy into transactions. Tim is a Bulldog - make it so.
Preach!
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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mjp
Pay the price.
Tim's one of us. We drafted him and he has grown with us...
I hate turning footy into transactions. Tim is a Bulldog - make it so.
On the other hand, does paying him what could be a huge market price then see another Bulldog walked out the door?
I also dislike how footy is turning transactional, I hate the influence that American sports is having, particularly how all the footy players idolise it. It's becoming much more about the individual.
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
If he is worth 1million or more in 2025, he need to improve again in 2024. Based on 2023, his actual influence on game, the need for dominant ruck to win a premiership, and the Grundy/collingwood example he isn?t worth it atm.
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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JanLorMill
If he is worth 1million or more in 2025, he need to improve again in 2024. Based on 2023, his actual influence on game, the need for dominant ruck to win a premiership, and the Grundy/collingwood example he isn?t worth it atm.
The Collingwood 2023 premiership team could also be used to argue you don't need a dominant CHF or FF either.
A lot of WOOFers were lamenting in 2021 that that Melbourne only won the Premiership because of their ruck dominance.
It is pretty much universally accepted that without Tom Boyd we don't win the 2016 Premiership.
WOOF members voted Tim as our third best player last year behind Bont and Libba. If he stays fit he is likely to be the dominant ruckman of the next 6 years.
We should absolutely offer him his market value. If West Coke make an offer that we can't match without blowing up our salary cap, then that's a different story. But if Tim wants to stay and we lose him because our offer is inadequate, it will be looked back upon as an atrocious decision.
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Before I Die
The Collingwood 2023 premiership team could also be used to argue you don't need a dominant CHF or FF either.
A lot of WOOFers were lamenting in 2021 that that Melbourne only won the Premiership because of their ruck dominance.
It is pretty much universally accepted that without Tom Boyd we don't win the 2016 Premiership.
WOOF members voted Tim as our third best player last year behind Bont and Libba. If he stays fit he is likely to be the dominant ruckman of the next 6 years.
We should absolutely offer him his market value. If West Coke make an offer that we can't match without blowing up our salary cap, then that's a different story. But if Tim wants to stay and we lose him because our offer is inadequate, it will be looked back upon as an atrocious decision.
Great post, how I feel as well.
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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Before I Die
The Collingwood 2023 premiership team could also be used to argue you don't need a dominant CHF or FF either.
A lot of WOOFers were lamenting in 2021 that that Melbourne only won the Premiership because of their ruck dominance.
It is pretty much universally accepted that without Tom Boyd we don't win the 2016 Premiership.
WOOF members voted Tim as our third best player last year behind Bont and Libba. If he stays fit he is likely to be the dominant ruckman of the next 6 years.
We should absolutely offer him his market value. If West Coke make an offer that we can't match without blowing up our salary cap, then that's a different story. But if Tim wants to stay and we lose him because our offer is inadequate, it will be looked back upon as an atrocious decision.
Collingwood won the premiership cos Maynard KOed Brayshaw and got away with it.
Melbourne won the premiership because their 2nd ruck got on top, hardly played a good game since.
Boyd was also our 2nd ruck.
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
Surely both Tim and the Club can meet in the middle of the pay scale. His manger would want heaps and the club would want a lot less so somewhere in the middle seems fair for the time we’ve put into him and what he is starting to deliver for us.
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my plums
Surely both Tim and the Club can meet in the middle of the pay scale. His manger would want heaps and the club would want a lot less so somewhere in the middle seems fair for the time we’ve put into him and what he is starting to deliver for us.
It probably won't be a drawn out negotiation in terms of discussions.
We should put forward our 'close to' best offer. McDougall will want more because West Coast will offer more and they'll settle on something in between.
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my plums
Surely both Tim and the Club can meet in the middle of the pay scale. His manger would want heaps and the club would want a lot less so
somewhere in the middle seems fair for the time we?ve put into him and what he is starting to deliver for us.
He's not Jesus. If he were we'd really struggle to fit him under the salary cap.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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Twodogs
He's not Jesus. If he were we'd really struggle to fit him under the salary cap.
Well, as Jock said in 'The Club':
"With the team we'll have next year Jesus Christ would be flat out making the reserves!"
What should I tell her? She's going to ask.
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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mjp
Well, as Jock said in 'The Club':
"With the team we'll have next year Jesus Christ would be flat out making the reserves!"
I hope Timmy's sister has legs...
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
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mjp
Well, as Jock said in 'The Club':
"With the team we'll have next year Jesus Christ would be flat out making the reserves!"
I'd prefer to have Cam Donaldson, Mickey Dimmish and Andy Payne on our goal-to-goal line.
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Re: Tim English - What Price do you pay?
You asked a simple question and the simple answer is you pay the price of what is needed if you deem the player rightly.