Bulldog must impose himself

[Mantis]

Bulldog must impose himself

Mike Sheahan | May 19, 2009 12:00am

At quarter-time in the Western Bulldogs' Round 1 fixture, Ryan Griffen's admirers were sitting back thinking how astute they (we) were. He had produced a quarter against Fremantle at Subiaco Oval that vindicated the most optimistic predictions for the dashing midfielder.

Seven possessions plus three goals, in 30 minutes; that is impressive by anyone's standards.

Those who had maintained the faith were convinced the boy had become a man.

A week later, he racked up 28 disposals in the win over North Melbourne and the fan club was buzzing with expectation.

Two rounds into the season, the Bulldogs were 2-0, Griffen was equal third in the AFL Coaches' Association champion player award. Perched behind St Kilda's Nick Dal Santo and Geelong's Gary Ablett.

After eight rounds, the old perception has resurfaced: Does he impose himself upon a game often enough?

If the answer is "no", is it because he doesn't work hard enough?

They are intriguing questions, and my answers are "no" and "yes".

In 2007, he led the competition for "metres gained", the measure of distance covered each time a player kicks the ball, be it long, short or sideways.

The '07 figure of 40.8m dropped to 34.8m in 2008 and is down to 28.6m this year.

Yet, at 22 and with 83 games to his name, he should be in, or nearing, his prime.

Put simply, he is a matchwinner who doesn't influence nearly enough matches.

He has had more than 25 possessions just twice in his career, both times against North Melbourne: in 2006 and 2009.

If the Bulldogs are to challenge for the flag this year, three players will lead the charge: Adam Cooney, Bob Murphy and Griffen.

Cooney and Griffen both are ball-carriers, and both use the ball beautifully.

Griffen is equal fourth at the Bulldogs for hardball gets this year, but, oddly, doesn't get as many "easy" kicks as expected.

He doesn't kick enough goals, either.

He had three at quarter-time in Round 1 and has seven after eight rounds.

He kicked 18 from 24 games last year, but his career average is 0.49. Admittedly, much of his time has been spent at half-back.

At 188cm and 86kg and with his natural pace and power and driving right-foot kick, he has all the attributes to be an elite player.

There are times when he plays to that level, but there are too many times when he is spectator rather than playmaker.

If his team is to have a realistic chance of toppling Geelong at Etihad Stadium on Friday night, he has to be in the mood he took into the Fremantle game.

He must play as if he believes he is the most important player in the contest.

If he can recapture that attitude, he just might be.

Is Ryan Griffen living up to expectations?

[Sedat]

Exhibit A in the "Captain Obvious" school of journalism. Of course Griffen has gained less meterage this season because he is not running off half back any more. In case Mike hasn't noticed, Griffen has spent virtually the whole season in the middle, and has for the first time in his career had to deal with the opposition's best defensive tagger for company. His work in close has gone up several notches this season, but it has come at the cost of his run and carry. He needs to continue to get fitter so that he can work just as hard in the other direction but he has added some steel and hardness to his game that will only benefit the full package in the coming years.

[Ozza]

The stat that he has only had over 25 possies twice in his career is quite alarming.

I tend to agree with the majority of Sheehan's article. I don't think Griffen works hard enough. The difference between his work rate and Judd's in the Carlton game was very noticeable - now I know nobody works as hard as Judd - but Judd's second and third efforts to get to contests made Griff look second rate.

I also agree he needs to kick more goals - he regularly misses shots from 40-50 on the run - and as someone with his kicking skills - he should be putting them away.

Someone said on another thread the other day - that we have always valued in and under players more than outside players - and I agree with that assessment. Griffen needs to work harder to get more handball receives so he can be damaging.

[Mantis]

The stat that he has only had over 25 possies twice in his career is quite alarming.
I tend to agree with the majority of Sheehan's article. I don't think Griffen works hard enough. The difference between his work rate and Judd's in the Carlton game was very noticeable - now I know nobody works as hard as Judd - but Judd's second and third efforts to get to contests made Griff look second rate.

I also agree he needs to kick more goals - he regularly misses shots from 40-50 on the run - and as someone with his kicking skills - he should be putting them away.

Someone said on another thread the other day - that we have always valued in and under players more than outside players - and I agree with that assessment. Griffen needs to work harder to get more handball receives so he can be damaging.

Would you prefer Griffen do have 20 possessions or Cross to have 35?

Number of possessions is the most over-rated stat in the competition. What you do with them is just a tad more important.

I do agree that his kicking is wayward at times. It seems to me that he gets lazy with his ball drop and just expects to kick it lace out every time rather than taking that extra split second which would ensure a better result.

[Dancin' Douggy]

Mike must have read my post in slaps and sledges for this round!

[LostDoggy]

Would you prefer Griffen do have 20 possessions or Cross to have 35?

Number of possessions is the most over-rated stat in the competition. What you do with them is just a tad more important.

I do agree that his kicking is wayward at times. It seems to me that he gets lazy with his ball drop and just expects to kick it lace out every time rather than taking that extra split second which would ensure a better result.

Speaking of ball drops, did anyone watch Freo's game against the Hawks the other day? Pav has to have one of the most magnificent ball drops on the run going around at the moment. There was a passage of play where he received a handball out on the intersection of the 50 and the boundary line, and he spun the ball in his hands to get a perfect drop, and put it through the middle on the run from 50 out. He is just a gem of a player.

[Ozza]

Would you prefer Griffen do have 20 possessions or Cross to have 35?
Number of possessions is the most over-rated stat in the competition. What you do with them is just a tad more important.

I do agree that his kicking is wayward at times. It seems to me that he gets lazy with his ball drop and just expects to kick it lace out every time rather than taking that extra split second which would ensure a better result.

I would prefer Griffen to have 30 - thats what I would prefer.

I know what you are saying with the whole 'possession numbers are overrated' - but that isn't the point.
What we need to be successful - is to have our damaging midfield players (Cooney, Griffen) to be getting enough of it to have a big impact against good sides. The fact that Cross gets it 35 times and Griffen only gets it 20 times is one of the many reasons we don't beat good sides.

If Griffen gets it 30 times this week against Geelong - we are a big show at winning the game - but the chances of him doing that are probably very slim at this stage because he still goes missing for big chunks of the game.

[The Coon Dog]

There is a perception that Griff does his hardest running when he or we are in possession of the ball, but doesn't work back as hard when the opposition have the ball.

[Ozza]

Do you agree with that perception TCD?

[The Coon Dog]

Do you agree with that perception TCD?

Yeah, since it was pointed out to me I have watched it & yes, there is not the same speed going the other way. Paul Hudson was like that too, no matter who he chased he never caught them if they had the ball.

[Sedat]

There is a perception that Griff does his hardest running when he or we are in possession of the ball, but doesn't work back as hard when the opposition have the ball.

That's a completely different issue, but it is something that Sheahan didn't even bother to mention in his article. I think all of us on 'woof' are in agreeance that Griff doesn't work hard enough/isn't fit enough running defensively. But the metres gained stat is meaningless because Griff is playing a completely different role to previous years, one that is continuing his all-round development.

[Mantis]

I would prefer Griffen to have 30 - thats what I would prefer.

I know what you are saying with the whole 'possession numbers are overrated' - but that isn't the point.
What we need to be successful - is to have our damaging midfield players (Cooney, Griffen) to be getting enough of it to have a big impact against good sides. The fact that Cross gets it 35 times and Griffen only gets it 20 times is one of the many reasons we don't beat good sides.

If Griffen gets it 30 times this week against Geelong - we are a big show at winning the game - but the chances of him doing that are probably very slim at this stage because he still goes missing for big chunks of the game.

While I agree with much of what you have posted I don't think Griffen will ever be the type of player that consistently racks up large possession totals. He does need to get better at receiving the 'give and goes', but I think his work around the clearances has been very good this year.

Hopefully his fitness continues to improve over the next couple of years which will allow him to become a premier midfielder in the competition.

[Mantis]

Yeah, since it was pointed out to me I have watched it & yes, there is not the same speed going the other way. Paul Hudson was like that too, no matter who he chased he never caught them if they had the ball.

I think that more has to do with the fact he runs too hard forward such that he has no energy left to run the other way. He needs to find a balance.

And the Hudson reference, please... Huddo wouldn't have caught a cold in his playing days.

[azabob]

That's a completely different issue, but it is something that Sheahan didn't even bother to mention in his article. I think all of us on 'woof' are in agreeance that Griff doesn't work hard enough/isn't fit enough running defensively. But the metres gained stat is meaningless because Griff is playing a completely different role to previous years, one that is continuing his all-round development.

Sedat, Sheahan does briefly mention Griffen's workrate. I actually wonder did you read all of the article?
Mike also pays credit to Griffen's inside work. I think most of the points he raised are vaild and you are just focusing on one or two lines in the article.

[Sedat]

Sedat, Sheahan does briefly mention Griffen's workrate. I actually wonder did you read all of the article?
Mike also pays credit to Griffen's inside work. I think most of the points he raised are vaild and you are just focusing on one or two lines in the article.

Yes he did, but Sheahan is using the metres gained as his compelling argument, not to mention the lack of goal kicking. And he only mentioned the runnng off half back as a throwaway line to justify the lack of goals, not the change in role for him this season.

And then he mentions Griff is 4th for hardball gets at the club this season but in the same line he finds it "puzzling" that he doesn't win any easy kicks? Gee, wouldn't be because he has spent virtually the whole season in the coalface in the middle and not roaming half back.

I found it to be an article that largely missed the mark completely.