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Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
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THE Western Bulldogs will start work on the possibility of bringing AFL football back to the Whitten Oval in the wake of Saturday’s successful NAB Challenge match.
The Dogs accommodated a crowd of 9500 when they hosted Richmond in the pre-season clash.
Bulldogs president Peter Gordon told the Herald Sun much development would be needed to get the ground up to scratch for a premiership match, but it was something he would love to see happen.
“I was thrilled with how the venue came up on the weekend and since the Smith Stand on the eastern side of the ground came down 10 years ago the TV now has a beautiful view of the city skyline and of Footscray,” Gordon said.
“It showed off the city of Maribyrnong to tremendous effect.
“I would love to consider the prospect of being able to fixture some home games for the future for the Bulldogs at the Victoria University Whitten Oval.
“I have to say for emotional reasons, but also business growth reasons, I do think it is something we ought to be considering and it is something that our board will begin to consider in 2015.”
The Dogs have not played an AFL match at Whitten Oval since 1997, when almost 27,000 fans watched them beat the West Coast Eagles.
Former skipper Scott Wynd leads the Bulldogs out on Whitten Oval for the last time in 1997. Picture: Darren Tindale
Gordon said he had not had any serious talks with the AFL about the prospect of a return of home-and-away games.
He said there had been big infrastructure improvements to enable the Footscray VFL side to use the venue and for it became a base for women’s and junior football.
“We have got a couple of million dollars of funding that we got from the state government and Maribyrnong council and from the AFL and indeed a significant amount of money that we raised from our own members last year, which enabled us to build new change rooms for the opposition, new coaches’ boxes, and umpires’ boxes and timekeepers’ boxes which are state of the art (and) built in compliance with AFL standards.
“We are slated to get new lights later this year and a new electronic scoreboard which will have a live action facility to it.”
The new West Footscray station would also be an asset, Gordon said.
But he acknowledged the ground would have to be developed to accommodate enough seating for at least 6000 reserved ticket holders and more amenities — such as public toilets would have to be built.
“These thing take time, with tenders and raising the money and all of those sort of things — as well as convincing the AFL.
“Not only do we not have enough seats, we really struggled to cope with demands of public facilities like toilets.
“But speaking personally I do think something was lost in the loss of the suburban ground and it doesn’t mean every suburban ground needs to get resurrected (but) with the unique history of the Bulldogs and the fact that we have been playing there since the mid-1870s, and how well the oval looked at the weekend and how well it was received by both clubs — then I think it is something that ought to be put on the drawing board for future discussions.”
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
The ground is miles off from being a viable AFL venue.. If the AFL, government or private sector want to pay for it then fine, but I wouldn't be spending our money on it.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
Originally Posted by
Mantis
The ground is miles off from being a viable AFL venue.. If the AFL, government or private sector want to pay for it then fine, but I wouldn't be spending our money on it.
I have to agree. There's no way we'd be allowed more than 2 games there a year and keeping our Ballarat pledge. Far too a high an investment for 2 games unless it's not our money.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
Bring footy back to the people. The way it should be. I like the idea very much.
Listening to Brahm's 3rd Racket
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
Never going to happen.
But its perfect for VFL and that's enough for me.
The curse is dead.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
This just makes me cringe. So are we trying to play games in Ballarat, Whitten Oval, or build our supporter base to the point we're selling out Etihad? Or is it all 3?
We're starting to sound like the AFL's other perennial nomads Norf.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
Originally Posted by
chef
Never going to happen.
But its perfect for VFL and that's enough for me.
They said that about NAB cup games. But you're right it's just right for VFL purposes. Besides we already have an AFL stadium that we can't seem to pay for.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
I'd prefer to take a more optimistic view on this. My ideal concept wouldn't see the club having to try and fund a major upgrade but more a pool of money being gathered from various sources including grants. The venue might only be used by us for maybe two H&A games per year but I think you could also make the case for it to be used by other Melbourne clubs for perhaps one or two games each per season against low drawing interstate teams. Almost like a boutique stadium scenario. Combine this with the ground being a VFL hub and also used for Women's football and I think it has the potential to be a revenue creating stadium. If anything, I applaud the club for continuing to look for ways to create alternative revenue and growth streams. I might be speaking with a small sense of bias but when I look at our business model and opportunities in comparison to Melb, North and St Kilda, I know who I'd rather be on. Make no mistake, North Melbourne's plight is very much disguised by it's current period of relative success on the field. Melbourne don't have the luxury of the existing infrastructure that we have and I'm not certain about St Kilda but they seem to be too busy trying to work out where they want to train etc.
We are doing remarkably well as a club despite the fact that we have dropped down the ladder at the worst possible time. This gives me great optimism that once we are successful on-field, our plans will gather some momentum.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
The idea really pulls on the heart strings doesn't it. Yeah 2 games a year sounds like it's not enough to spend millions of $$$. It's the age old debate but it doesn't make sense spending that sort of coin when the afl will buy Etihad stadium in the coming years.
Still I would love this to happen!
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
Originally Posted by
Hobdog
I'd prefer to take a more optimistic view on this. My ideal concept wouldn't see the club having to try and fund a major upgrade but more a pool of money being gathered from various sources including grants. The venue might only be used by us for maybe two H&A games per year but I think you could also make the case for it to be used by other Melbourne clubs for perhaps one or two games each per season against low drawing interstate teams. Almost like a boutique stadium scenario. Combine this with the ground being a VFL hub and also used for Women's football and I think it has the potential to be a revenue creating stadium. If anything, I applaud the club for continuing to look for ways to create alternative revenue and growth streams. I might be speaking with a small sense of bias but when I look at our business model and opportunities in comparison to Melb, North and St Kilda, I know who I'd rather be on. Make no mistake, North Melbourne's plight is very much disguised by it's current period of relative success on the field. Melbourne don't have the luxury of the existing infrastructure that we have and I'm not certain about St Kilda but they seem to be too busy trying to work out where they want to train etc.
We are doing remarkably well as a club despite the fact that we have dropped down the ladder at the worst possible time. This gives me great optimism that once we are successful on-field, our plans will gather some momentum.
The trouble is the amount of money required to bring this stadium up to AFL standard probably runs into the $30 to $50 million dollars. In the end is it really worth it when Eithad is sitting there.
What we need to do is make Eithad work, financially. We need a proper stadium deal, we need to get people to the game.
Have a look at these attendance figures for games over 35k. Amazing what on field success can do.
Season 2006 |
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|
Desc |
Opponent |
Venue |
Attendance |
|
Round 21 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
47120 |
|
Round 4 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
45922 |
|
Round 3 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
43947 |
|
Round 1 |
Richmond |
Etihad Stadium |
43532 |
|
Round 22 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
42956 |
|
Round 6 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
42760 |
|
Round 16 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
39417 |
|
|
|
|
|
Season 2007 |
|
|
|
|
Round 8 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
46990 |
|
Round 15 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
45283 |
|
Round 16 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
44688 |
|
Round 1 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
42626 |
|
Round 3 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
38474 |
|
|
|
|
|
Season 2008 |
|
|
|
|
Round 4 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
47641 |
|
Round 13 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
44885 |
|
Round 11 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
38914 |
|
Round 3 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
38667 |
|
Round 17 |
Carlton |
Etihad Stadium |
37879 |
|
Round 5 |
Richmond |
Etihad Stadium |
37767 |
|
Round 21 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
37294 |
|
|
|
|
|
Season 2009 |
|
|
|
|
Round 15 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
51382 |
|
Round 22 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
48888 |
|
Round 16 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
47120 |
|
Round 21 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
46818 |
|
Round 3 |
Richmond |
Etihad Stadium |
46261 |
|
Round 17 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
45082 |
|
Round 9 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
44620 |
|
Round 5 |
Carlton |
Etihad Stadium |
44268 |
|
Round 14 |
Hawthorn |
Etihad Stadium |
36827 |
|
Round 11 |
Richmond |
Etihad Stadium |
36483 |
|
Round 6 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
36302 |
|
|
|
|
|
Season 2010 |
|
|
|
|
Round 1 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
49000 |
|
Round 10 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
45742 |
|
Round 6 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
43072 |
|
Round 20 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
42199 |
|
Round 11 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
40813 |
|
Round 15 |
Carlton |
Etihad Stadium |
37517 |
|
Round 3 |
Hawthorn |
Etihad Stadium |
35933 |
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Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
Originally Posted by
bornadog
The trouble is the amount of money required to bring this stadium up to AFL standard probably runs into the $30 to $50 million dollars. In the end is it really worth it when Eithad is sitting there.
What we need to do is make Eithad work, financially. We need a proper stadium deal, we need to get people to the game.
Have a look at these attendance figures for games over 35k. Amazing what on field success can do.
Season 2006 |
|
|
|
|
Desc |
Opponent |
Venue |
Attendance |
|
Round 21 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
47120 |
|
Round 4 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
45922 |
|
Round 3 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
43947 |
|
Round 1 |
Richmond |
Etihad Stadium |
43532 |
|
Round 22 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
42956 |
|
Round 6 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
42760 |
|
Round 16 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
39417 |
|
|
|
|
|
Season 2007 |
|
|
|
|
Round 8 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
46990 |
|
Round 15 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
45283 |
|
Round 16 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
44688 |
|
Round 1 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
42626 |
|
Round 3 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
38474 |
|
|
|
|
|
Season 2008 |
|
|
|
|
Round 4 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
47641 |
|
Round 13 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
44885 |
|
Round 11 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
38914 |
|
Round 3 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
38667 |
|
Round 17 |
Carlton |
Etihad Stadium |
37879 |
|
Round 5 |
Richmond |
Etihad Stadium |
37767 |
|
Round 21 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
37294 |
|
|
|
|
|
Season 2009 |
|
|
|
|
Round 15 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
51382 |
|
Round 22 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
48888 |
|
Round 16 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
47120 |
|
Round 21 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
46818 |
|
Round 3 |
Richmond |
Etihad Stadium |
46261 |
|
Round 17 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
45082 |
|
Round 9 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
44620 |
|
Round 5 |
Carlton |
Etihad Stadium |
44268 |
|
Round 14 |
Hawthorn |
Etihad Stadium |
36827 |
|
Round 11 |
Richmond |
Etihad Stadium |
36483 |
|
Round 6 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
36302 |
|
|
|
|
|
Season 2010 |
|
|
|
|
Round 1 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
49000 |
|
Round 10 |
Essendon |
Etihad Stadium |
45742 |
|
Round 6 |
St Kilda |
Etihad Stadium |
43072 |
|
Round 20 |
Geelong |
Etihad Stadium |
42199 |
|
Round 11 |
Collingwood |
Etihad Stadium |
40813 |
|
Round 15 |
Carlton |
Etihad Stadium |
37517 |
|
Round 3 |
Hawthorn |
Etihad Stadium |
35933 |
Great post mate,
It's funny how the answer to most club related financial issues always comes back to the simple fact that when the team is winning games, the people will come! You're right about the amount of money needed to bring the stadium up to scratch and I guess that's why my vision would need to see it become a multi-use boutique stadium to firstly attract the right amount of capital to develop and secondly to make it sustainable to justify the investment.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
Originally Posted by
ratsmac
The idea really pulls on the heart strings doesn't it. Yeah 2 games a year sounds like it's not enough to spend millions of $$$. It's the age old debate but it doesn't make sense spending that sort of coin when the afl will buy Etihad stadium in the coming years.
Still I would love this to happen!
It's a conundrum for sure.
It's not helped by the fact the ground is kind of half and half at the moment. It's half a stadium on one side and nothing really on the other.
They say Burt Lancaster has one, but I don't believe them.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
Originally Posted by
Twodogs
It's a conundrum for sure.
It's not helped by the fact the ground is kind of half and half at the moment. It's half a stadium on one side and nothing really on the other.
Also the Training Centre is not exactly in a good spot for a stadium
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Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
**WARNING: Simplistic view ahead**
Having been to Manuka, but not Darwin or Cairns, how different are they?
If the AFL deems those grounds suitable, surely there's not that much work to do? Chuck some seating above the ELC and Geelong Rd end, keep the Hawkins Wing as standing only.
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Re: Western Bulldogs start work on possibility of bringing AFL games back to the Whitten Oval
I live in Darwin and the only thing it has over the WO is a larger stand. The other facilities are piss poor in all honesty.