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02-05-2024, 10:51 AM
#331
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
mjp
I hate this thinking so much.
I guess I understand it but I HATE it.
Same. Time stops for nobody though.
"It's over. It's all over."
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02-05-2024, 11:58 AM
#332
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
EasternWest
Same. Time stops for nobody though.
It's a bloody fine line though isn't it.
I mean I can see that Macrae and Daniel are struggling (compared to their very best), but I am also confident that were they to go elsewhere they would both have good football in front of them, particularly Caleb.
We're (The collective we're, not any specific poster here) quick to really hate on those WE want to keep who lose, and trot out lots of pejorative terms for them like mercenaries, traitors, disloyal, but we can also be very much quick to want to shove loyal heroes out the door, when it suits us.
Not saying either wouldn't be better for a move at end of year, just the interesting dynamics between loyalty from different perspectives.
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02-05-2024, 01:37 PM
#333
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
It's a bloody fine line though isn't it.
I mean I can see that Macrae and Daniel are struggling (compared to their very best), but I am also confident that were they to go elsewhere they would both have good football in front of them, particularly Caleb.
We're (The collective we're, not any specific poster here) quick to really hate on those WE want to keep who lose, and trot out lots of pejorative terms for them like mercenaries, traitors, disloyal, but we can also be very much quick to want to shove loyal heroes out the door, when it suits us.
Not saying either wouldn't be better for a move at end of year, just the interesting dynamics between loyalty from different perspectives.
My take is we should not be contemplating trading either Macrae or Daniel and if the list manager is considering that then they should be sacked...
But I live in an alternative footy universe where it's US against the world, not a group of hired guns temporarily dressed in RWB against the world.
I'm all for players moving club for greater opportunity and (of course) bonanza pay deals, but when two guys who are (reportedly) well paid and play most weeks and being talked about re trade, well, I just HATE IT.
What should I tell her? She's going to ask.
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02-05-2024, 01:55 PM
#334
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
The question is if your changing tact and looking at speed , then when do you trade good players if they don’t fit the model.
You can let them see out their contract and they retire or you get zero for them or do you trade a year or two before contract ends and get good value in return?
I can’t see Macrae getting traded but Daniel I can.
Bring back the biff
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02-05-2024, 02:05 PM
#335
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
Hot_Doggies
If we aren?t thinking about trading Macrae and/or Daniel then our list manager should be sacked.
Is that the same list manager that gave them long contracts?
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02-05-2024, 02:12 PM
#336
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
JanLorMill
Is that the same list manager that gave them long contracts?
Long contracts give you good bargain power and they don’t leave unless you agree.
Timing is the key.
Bring back the biff
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02-05-2024, 02:30 PM
#337
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
ledge
The question is if your changing tact and looking at speed , then when do you trade good players if they don’t fit the model.
If good players don't fit the model, then perhaps you're looking at the wrong model.
What should I tell her? She's going to ask.
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02-05-2024, 02:37 PM
#338
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
mjp
If good players don't fit the model, then perhaps you're looking at the wrong model.
So you think we could run Bont, Treloar , Libba, Macrae, Sanders and potentially Daniel in the midfield in the current game?
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02-05-2024, 02:42 PM
#339
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
Hot_Doggies
So you think we could run Bont, Treloar , Libba, Macrae, Sanders and potentially Daniel in the midfield in the current game?
Why not? We ran 9 players through the midfield in 2016
FFC: Established 1883
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02-05-2024, 02:44 PM
#340
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
Hot_Doggies
So you think we could run Bont, Treloar , Libba, Macrae, Sanders and potentially Daniel in the midfield in the current game?
Not pre-empting MJP (who has much better insight than me), but surely you design your game plan to maximise the contribution from the overall list.
When you have eggs and bacon you can make bacon and eggs, but if you only have beans you need a recipe for beans.
Life is to be Enjoyed not Endured
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02-05-2024, 03:07 PM
#341
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
Bulldog Joe
Not pre-empting MJP (who has much better insight than me), but surely you design your game plan to maximise the contribution from the overall list.
When you have eggs and bacon you can make bacon and eggs, but if you only have beans you need a recipe for beans.
Hey hey I'm on a diet BJ!
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02-05-2024, 03:54 PM
#342
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Why not? We ran 9 players through the midfield in 2016
Two seasons back we could fit Smith , Hunter and Dunkley into this current group.
Size isn't the problem it's how Bevo is using them and a real lack of rotation.
The curse is dead.
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02-05-2024, 05:00 PM
#343
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
I think part of the problem is that a game style that matches and optimises the talent on the list will still fall short against what other teams are doing.
Good players who are slowish can beat fast players. It's hard for them to consistently beat good fast players though.
TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.
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02-05-2024, 05:06 PM
#344
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
mjp
If good players don't fit the model, then perhaps you're looking at the wrong model.
Not really it’s more the players are aging and slowing down.
The game changes tact approx every 5 years it has turned to speed, they fit the style for 10 years or so but now it’s questionable that they can change again with their age.
Bring back the biff
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02-05-2024, 05:35 PM
#345
Re: Trade Rumours 2024
Originally Posted by
chef
Two seasons back we could fit Smith , Hunter and Dunkley into this current group.
Size isn't the problem it's how Bevo is using them and a real lack of rotation.
Well what changed? Lade came in. I have said this for awhile, he has changed the way the mids are used
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.