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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
This 3 changes 5 changes thing week to week does nothing to assist settling the team. Some have been forced but we are chopping and changing a lot. Honey deserves one more week after all the hard work he's done at VFL level.
Ins: Murph
Out: Jong
But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
5 changes were warranted after the Sydney game. It was disgusting, this week not much better.
I'd be looking to sure up some areas we lack in. Bring a ruckman in, how stubborn are our MC. Get someone in there who can actually help get first hands on the ball. The ruck rules have changed and we have not adapted at all. There is no 3rd man up anymore so this makeshift ruck lineup does not work!
Play Boyd forward. FFS play him forward!!! He can still chop out in ruck but we need a true target and a proper structure.
KPD. Roughy back or Roberts to come in if he's ok.
Murph for Jong
Ins: Campbell, Murphy (Roberts)
Outs: Jong, Biggs
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Originally Posted by
G-Mo77
5 changes were warranted after the Sydney game. It was disgusting, this week not much better.
I'd be looking to sure up some areas we lack in. Bring a ruckman in, how stubborn are our MC. Get someone in there who can actually help get first hands on the ball. The ruck rules have changed and we have not adapted at all. There is no 3rd man up anymore so this makeshift ruck lineup does not work!
Play Boyd forward. FFS play him forward!!! He can still chop out in ruck but we need a true target and a proper structure.
KPD. Roughy back or Roberts to come in if he's ok.
Murph for Jong
Ins: Campbell, Murphy (Roberts)
Outs: Jong, Biggs
Did you even watch the game yesterday?
Boyd & Roughy had 60 hit-outs between them.. Pederson & McDonald had 17... Winning hit-outs isn't the problem.
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
We'll need to bring in at least one tall to combat North's forward line. It might be an in form Campbell and Roughy thrown down back, or Collins, but he might not be ready. I'm concerned about Morris, his last few outings have been a long way off his best. We need him to find form, because the old fella might just be our most important player right now.
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Originally Posted by
Mantis
Did you even watch the game yesterday?
Boyd & Roughy had 60 hit-outs between them.. Pederson & McDonald had 17... Winning hit-outs isn't the problem.
I go every week, the condescending tone from you is not needed.
I've got no answers on our inability to get our hands on the footy. Ruck contests yesterday won were not to our advantage and when we did get a clearance we were outnumbered forward and Melbourne cleared with ease. I truely believe we need a sole ruckman. Boyd to chop out and play as a forward.
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Challenging times - throw a few debuts in the mix for a spark.
IN: Smith, Lipinski, Young
OUT: Jong, Dickson, Biggs
Stringer, Picken, Bont , JJ & T Boyd need to do a lot more. I'd give Honeychurch another week, at least he was getting into some dangerous spots and did have 20 touches. Bont's stats of 24 and a goal look ok, but he's off the pace.
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Originally Posted by
G-Mo77
I go every week, the condescending tone from you is not needed.
I've got no answers on our inability to get our hands on the footy. Ruck contests yesterday won were not to our advantage and when we did get a clearance we were outnumbered forward and Melbourne cleared with ease. I truely believe we need a sole ruckman. Boyd to chop out and play as a forward.
Not sure Campbell is the answer to that. Surely if we want a sole ruckman we play Roughead there for longer periods.
Either way the point is that despite our ruckmen winning or losing ruck taps our clearance work is pathetic. Something has to change with the players aropund the ball and how they are setting up. The ruckmen (while not helping) are not the problem.
To me it seemed as if we weren't even communicating though. Multiple times from boundary throw ins Boyd would whack it forward to Melbournes last mid (usually Jones) and our players would have to run past 3 Melbourne players just to get near it. They were good taps, why don't we communicate that it is going to happen so our midfielders have a chance of getting there?
I should leave it alone but you're not right
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Originally Posted by
soupaman
Not sure Campbell is the answer to that. Surely if we want a sole ruckman we play Roughead there for longer periods.
Either way the point is that despite our ruckmen winning or losing ruck taps our clearance work is pathetic. Something has to change with the players aropund the ball and how they are setting up. The ruckmen (while not helping) are not the problem.
To me it seemed as if we weren't even communicating though. Multiple times from boundary throw ins Boyd would whack it forward to Melbournes last mid (usually Jones) and our players would have to run past 3 Melbourne players just to get near it. They were good taps, why don't we communicate that it is going to happen so our midfielders have a chance of getting there?
We're thin down back and I'd be tempted to throw him back there and bring Campbell into the team. Yesterday was the worst I've seen our back half in a very long time.
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Originally Posted by
G-Mo77
We're thin down back and I'd be tempted to throw him back there and bring Campbell into the team. Yesterday was the worst I've seen our back half in a very long time.
Is that a personnel issue or the way we set-up?
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Originally Posted by
Mantis
Is that a personnel issue or the way we set-up?
Set-up, without a shadow of a doubt.
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
A big issue with the defence yesterday was speed. It was really only a couple of times that the Dees took contested marks inside 50, most of their goals were either through their forward pressure, or on turnover getting players loose for chest marks or running goals.
North is a totally different proposition this week - and they direct a high % of their I50's to Brown and Waite, with some other medium forwards as lead/mark targets (Wood, Garner, Higgins when he is forward).
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
In: Clay, Collins, Campbell
Out: Jong, Biggs, McLean
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Originally Posted by
Rocco Jones
In: Clay, Collins, Campbell
Out: Jong, Biggs, McLean
Pretty sure Murph will come straight back in.
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Originally Posted by
Rocco Jones
In: Clay, Collins, Campbell
Out: Jong, Biggs, McLean
Pretty much agree on this.
I do think at some stage we need to play Webb for a block of games. I'd have him ahead of Honeychurch who is neither a goal sneak or a midfielder. With Jong out, our midfield is really light too.
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Re: Match Committee - Round 14, 2017 vs North Melbourne
Ins - Outs:
Webb - Jong (Inj) (mid for mid)
Williams - Biggs (HBF for HBF)
Murphy - McLean (utility for utility)
Collins - Picken (structural change. Picko needs to find form, urgently)
Cloke - Honeychurch (structural change. With Boyd, two genuine tall targets, plus Stringer. Hopefully there's good supply for them)
I'd consider sending JJ back with a task to develop his game passed what's ahead him now, but that's not going to help negotiations.
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