Thanks Thanks:  1
Likes Likes:  12

View Poll Results: First to debut?

Voters
42. You may not vote on this poll
  • English

    10 23.81%
  • Lipinski

    26 61.90%
  • Young

    2 4.76%
  • Greene

    3 7.14%
  • Mullenger-McHugh (Rookie)

    1 2.38%
Results 1 to 15 of 72

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    E.J. Whitten Stand
    Posts
    17,241
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: First Draftee to Debut?

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    The is fine, and that is your opinion. But what is your criteria whether a player made it or not?

    Personally, I think if a recruiter can pick a player who can get over 50 games, they have done well. On a first rounder, at least 100 games, unless there are other issues, like cruel injuries destroying their career.
    IMO, a successful non bust criteria is as follows:

    Top 5 pick needs to return 200+ quality games
    Top 6-10 pick needs to return 150+ quality games
    Top 11-20 pick needs to return 100+ quality games
    Top 21-30 pick needs to return 50+ quality games

    Obviously injuries need to be taken into account which means you could give Clayton some leeway on Walsh and Williams but I doubt either would have fit the above criteria even if they weren't as fragile as tissue paper.
    Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Wherever the dogs are playing
    Posts
    61,683
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: First Draftee to Debut?

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    IMO, a successful non bust criteria is as follows:

    Top 5 pick needs to return 200+ quality games
    Top 6-10 pick needs to return 150+ quality games
    Top 11-20 pick needs to return 100+ quality games
    Top 21-30 pick needs to return 50+ quality games

    Obviously injuries need to be taken into account which means you could give Clayton some leeway on Walsh and Williams but I doubt either would have fit the above criteria even if they weren't as fragile as tissue paper.
    Well based on your criteria (except the definition of Quality), and taking out Williams and Walsh.

    x 1 Cooney Brownlow
    x 4 Ray 200 plus games
    x 3 Gryphone 200 plus games, Captain, best finals player for his time
    o 6 Williams 85 games - Injuries killed his career
    x 10 McMahon 148 games, BOG 2006 Elimination final
    x 11 Higgins 170 Games
    10 Power 123 games
    o 4 Walsh Fail
    5 Grant 94 Games - didn't live up to expectations
    x 11 Everitt 131 Games
    14 Ayce 27 games, Not up to expectations.
    6 of 9
    My point is you can't just blame the recruiter, other factors come into it.
    FFC: Established 1883

    Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    E.J. Whitten Stand
    Posts
    17,241
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: First Draftee to Debut?

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    Well based on your criteria (except the definition of Quality), and taking out Williams and Walsh.

    x 1 Cooney Brownlow
    x 4 Ray 200 plus games
    x 3 Gryphone 200 plus games, Captain, best finals player for his time
    o 6 Williams 85 games - Injuries killed his career
    x 10 McMahon 148 games, BOG 2006 Elimination final
    x 11 Higgins 170 Games
    10 Power 123 games
    o 4 Walsh Fail
    5 Grant 94 Games - didn't live up to expectations
    x 11 Everitt 131 Games
    14 Ayce 27 games, Not up to expectations.
    6 of 9
    My point is you can't just blame the recruiter, other factors come into it.
    The key word is quality.

    And how many of the games from Everitt, Ray, Power, Higgins and McMahon were with us? You can't claim games with other clubs after we've off loaded them.
    Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Moe's Tavern
    Posts
    2,880
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: First Draftee to Debut?

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    The key word is quality.

    And how many of the games from Everitt, Ray, Power, Higgins and McMahon were with us? You can't claim games with other clubs after we've off loaded them.
    There is also the question of what players he missed to select them.
    ie Grypon over Buddy Franklin

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    32,674
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: First Draftee to Debut?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberdoggie View Post
    There is also the question of what players he missed to select them.
    ie Grypon over Buddy Franklin
    I put up that list last page. It's a whose who of gun players.
    Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •