The Draw

[soupman]

Courtesy of Tradeweekradio twitter account it's just been confirmed by McLachlan that Richmond and Carlton will open the season yet again. Why do these clubs seem to have first rights to this clash? Has there even been a good match by them to start the season yet?

[The Coon Dog]

Another tweak on next years fixture is that no side will get 2 games against both Gold Coast & Greater Western Sydney.

You may get 2 games against one of them, but not both.

[Throughandthrough]

Another tweak on next years fixture is that no side will get 2 games against both Gold Coast & Greater Western Sydney.

You may get 2 games against one of them, but not both.


Bugga

PS what about 2 matches v GWS and the Power?

We will have that for sure

[LostDoggy]

Another tweak on next years fixture is that no side will get 2 games against both Gold Coast & Greater Western Sydney.

You may get 2 games against one of them, but not both.

WTF?

How arbitrary is this rubbish? When will they decide when this 'principle' no longer applies? When GC win their first premiership? Why even bother to call it a 'draw' anymore? It's a pre-determined fixture list that takes into account marketing requirements, Eddie's complaints, fitting in as many contrived and artificial 'blockbuster games' as you can for the so-called 'big clubs', and stadium deals. Things like fairness or 'running a farking competition' are just old-fashioned distractions to be ignored.

It's like telling lies. Once you make something up you have to just keep making up more and more lies to cover for the first one, consistency be damned.

I thought AD said that the blow-outs weren't a problem and it was a slow news week? It's funny how he slams people's opinions as ridiculous on the one hand and then acknowledges that wait, maybe they had a point after all, by fixing things on the sly. Why can't he just admit these things openly when they happen? It shits me how lying is so intrinsic to the DNA of the current AFL administration.

[LostDoggy]

Thread title needs a change. Fixture definetely not a Draw.

[The Adelaide Connection]

While we are on it, if there are any byes clubs should be pulled out of a hat. It's just another advantage/disadvantage to add to the other ridiculous list of inequalities in the fixturing.

I am not sure if anyone saw it, but earlier in the year on AFL 360 Brad Scott was asked when he thought the best time to get the byes would be. His answer:

"Collingwoods.."

[chef]

While we are on it, if there are any byes clubs should be pulled out of a hat. It's just another advantage/disadvantage to add to the other ridiculous list of inequalities in the fixturing.

I am not sure if anyone saw it, but earlier in the year on AFL 360 Brad Scott was asked when he thought the best time to get the byes would be. His answer:

"Collingwoods.."

Byes are a thing of the past now.

[MrMahatma]

Haven't the AFL repeatedly say the draw isn't even?

I think we need to accept that. Until the entire structure of the competition changes (if it ever does) where by you can play home/away every team - or a portion of them in a conference type system - you're not going to get anything near equality. But that's, in part, why the AFL give us millions each year.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Haven't the AFL repeatedly say the draw isn't even?

I think we need to accept that. Until the entire structure of the competition changes (if it ever does) where by you can play home/away every team - or a portion of them in a conference type system - you're not going to get anything near equality. But that's, in part, why the AFL give us millions each year.

You won't get it perfect but you could get it 100 times fairer than it currently is.

[The Adelaide Connection]

Byes are a thing of the past now.

I don't think they will totally abolish the bye. It will certainly look different from last year with even teams now, but reports were that clubs liked having two byes especially when the players were more fatigued with only three on the interchange.

[LostDoggy]

But that's, in part, why the AFL give us millions each year.

No it isn't.

[LostDoggy]

Byes are a thing of the past now.

What about the mid season split round where Collingwood get a weekend for themselves?

[Desipura]

What about the mid season split round where Collingwood get a weekend for themselves?
Builld a bridge with all the big clubs.

[KT31]

What about the mid season split round where Collingwood get a weekend for themselves?

They would have to play someone.:confused:

[The Coon Dog]

Courtesy of Tradeweekradio twitter account it's just been confirmed by McLachlan that Richmond and Carlton will open the season yet again. Why do these clubs seem to have first rights to this clash? Has there even been a good match by them to start the season yet?
Looks like a backflip by the AFL with GWS & Sydney now playing the season opener on the Saturday night a week after the NAB Cup grand final.

[soupman]

Looks like a backflip by the AFL with GWS & Sydney now playing the season opener on the Saturday night a week after the NAB Cup grand final.

There goes any credibility I had:o

Still sounds like an unimpressive opener, but you never know.

[boydogs]

Looks like a backflip by the AFL with GWS & Sydney now playing the season opener on the Saturday night a week after the NAB Cup grand final.

Starting the season on a Saturday night?

[LostDoggy]

Looks like a backflip by the AFL with GWS & Sydney now playing the season opener on the Saturday night a week after the NAB Cup grand final.

Very smart move by the AFL. I thought the dumbest thing they did this year was kicking off Gold Coast a week late. They need to build excitement, and as the first game of the year, every diehard footy fan will be watching, not just the supporters of either club.

[Mantis]

Very smart move by the AFL. I thought the dumbest thing they did this year was kicking off Gold Coast a week late. They need to build excitement, and as the first game of the year, every diehard footy fan will be watching, not just the supporters of either club.

If it (GWS v Syd) is anything like GC's first game this year most footy fans will be changing stations at 1/4 time.... but I guess that's no different to what happens with the traditional opener.

[bornadog]

If it (GWS v Syd) is anything like GC's first game this year most footy fans will be changing stations at 1/4 time.

Maybe the opener should be GWS v GC

[Mantis]

Maybe the opener should be GWS v GC

That game would create zero interest from diehard fans, it's going to be hard enough watch them play off in GF 's shortly little lone watch them when they are both DS.

[LostDoggy]

I also think the AFL are trying to make a statement by scheduling this game on the same weekend as round one of the NRL.

[Pickenitup]

i have heard we could be playing North In Rd1

[soupman]

i have heard we could be playing North In Rd1

No doubt on Sunday at 5pm:rolleyes:

[chef]

i have heard we could be playing North In Rd1


No doubt on Sunday at 5pm:rolleyes:

Sounds good to me.

[Pickenitup]

I saw on Mark Stevens Twitter that we could be playin West Coast here Round 1

[Remi Moses]

It's not a draw or fixture anymore it's a gimmicky contrived document now.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Looks like we are set to play WCE at Etihad on a Sunday for the opening round.

We don't play GWS twice, nor Port twice.

I swear we play on a Sunday every round one.

[Topdog]

So we play GC twice?

[Throughandthrough]

So we play GC twice?

Yep, and we DO play Port twice, based on what just read.

[bornadog]

Yep, and we DO play Port twice, based on what just read.

Darwin I guess will be one.

[KT31]

Darwin I guess will be one.

Thought the Dogs said, last season, the Darwin experiment is over.

[bornadog]

Thought the Dogs said, last season, the Darwin experiment is over.

No we are contracted to play there. The AFL made a deal with NT government to play something like 6 games there over 3 years. The teams would be Melbourne, Richmond and us. Richmond have asked to pull out for 2012 and have off loaded the game to Melbourne. Pretty sure its our turn as well for 2012.

[Throughandthrough]

Port Power vs Bulldogs wll NOT be in Darwin

[azabob]

Port Power vs Bulldogs wll NOT be in Darwin

How do you know? I thought Port signed a deal where they were the away team for 3 seasons (2010, 11, 12).

[bornadog]

How do you know? I thought Port signed a deal where they were the away team for 3 seasons (2010, 11, 12).

Thats what I thought as well.

[Mantis]

Looks like we will be playing GC in Darwin in July.

(From here (http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/10/26/268691_ntsport.html))

[Throughandthrough]

How do you know? I thought Port signed a deal where they were the away team for 3 seasons (2010, 11, 12).


I hope am wrong....

[The Underdog]

Wow GC and GWS once in Darwin and Manuka. First 5 games on Foxtel.
In Adelaide round 2 vs the Crows. Geelong at Geelong in the 2nd last round. Brisbane at Yo Gabba Gabba in the last round.
Awesome :rolleyes:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125558/default.aspx

[Flamethrower]

We finally get to play the Swans in Melbourne for the 1st time since 1998!!!

[Topdog]

Wow GC and GWS once in Darwin and Manuka. First 5 games on Foxtel.
In Adelaide round 2 vs the Crows. Geelong at Geelong in the 2nd last round. Brisbane at Yo Gabba Gabba in the last round.
Awesome :rolleyes:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125558/default.aspx

Ripped off!! And Port once aswell.

Geelong * 2
WC * 1 (despite playing them in Round 1)
Collingwood * 1
St Kilda * 2
Hawks * 1

[LostDoggy]

Not a bad Draw in my view. Teams we play twice are

North
Geelong,
St Kilda,
Swans
Brisbane

Escape Hawthorn, Coillingwood, West Coast

[bornadog]

A lot of games at 3.15pm on a Sunday.

[GVGjr]

Home game against the Suns in Darwin is a bummer as is only 2 games at the MCG

[ReLoad]

Not a bad draw, pretty damn good after the bye.

Its a shame we wont push for the top 4 because the draw we have would have been seriously conducive to a great season for a decent side.

[bornadog]

Not a bad draw, pretty damn good after the bye.

Its a shame we wont push for the top 4 because the draw we have would have been seriously conducive to a great season for a decent side.

I think no matter what, if a team is good enough, the draw is their least concern. The main thing for us is trying to get supporters to games and make some money.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Looks an OK draw given we don't play the teams who should be challenging twice (outside of Geelong).

The 6 day breaks is a real issue though. I'd like to know how other sides field in this issue, we seem to get screwed by it every year ... and there's quite a few in this one.

[Axe Man]

Looks an OK draw given we don't play the teams who should be challenging twice (outside of Geelong).

The 6 day breaks is a real issue though. I'd like to know how other sides field in this issue, we seem to get screwed by it every year ... and there's quite a few in this one.

This summary of each team's draw has the 6 day break info you are after. Only St Kilda has more 6 day breaks than us.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2012-afl-fixture-live-blog-20111028-1mmsj.html

Our draw is rated the 5th most difficult, the 4 teams with harder draws - the top 4 from 2011!

[G-Mo77]

I would have rathered the harder teams twice. I was hoping for Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn twice as it would have been a fantastic learning experience for the boys. Getting Geelong twice is great.

Other thoughts...


2 Games on Friday. I guess we should be grateful for that. :rolleyes:
Sunday 3:15? What's the go with these slots? Are they on FTA or Foxtel?
Happy with the Darwin game.
Home game against Port Adelaide at 4:40PM on a Sunday is going to be a disaster!

[LostDoggy]

This summary of each team's draw has the 6 day break info you are after. Only St Kilda has more 6 day breaks than us.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2012-afl-fixture-live-blog-20111028-1mmsj.html

Our draw is rated the 5th most difficult, the 4 teams with harder draws - the top 4 from 2011!

The Age writer conducting this survey used very dodgy statistics indeed to arrive at his conclusion.

In terms of difficulty of the Draw the most significant fact is who of the top 5 teams do we play twice.

[Greystache]

I would have rathered the harder teams twice. I was hoping for Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn twice as it would have been a fantastic learning experience for the boys. Getting Geelong twice is great.

Other thoughts...


2 Games on Friday. I guess we should be grateful for that. :rolleyes:
Sunday 3:15? What's the go with these slots? Are they on FTA or Foxtel?
Happy with the Darwin game.
Home game against Port Adelaide at 4:40PM on a Sunday is going to be a disaster!


3.15 games are FTA, they're starting later so Seven can show them live and still go straight into their news.

[G-Mo77]

3.15 games are FTA, they're starting later so Seven can show them live and still go straight into their news.

Well I guess that's a good thing then. Usually we're lumped into the Foxtel Sunday games which no one watches.

It sucks as a fan going to the game though.

[chef]

This summary of each team's draw has the 6 day break info you are after. Only St Kilda has more 6 day breaks than us.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/2012-afl-fixture-live-blog-20111028-1mmsj.html

Our draw is rated the 5th most difficult, the 4 teams with harder draws - the top 4 from 2011!

You can't really judge the draw until the end of the season anyway as last years form doesn't mean much.

[chef]

We seem to play a lot of Saturday night games to, which I like as a mainly TV viewer. And 11 Sunday games is good for me.

[The Coon Dog]

Just had a look at our mix of days/times/venues.

Days:
Friday 2 (night x 2)
Saturday 8 (day x 3) (night x 5)
Sunday 11 (day x 3) (mid afternoon x 5) (twilight x 3)
TBC 1 (round 23)

Times: (Converted to Melbourne time)
Night x7
Day x 6
Mid Afternoon x 5
Twilight x 3
TBC x 1

Venues:
Etihad x 13 (10 home & 3 away)
MCG x 2
Darwin x 1 (home)
Canberra x 1
Perth x 1
Adelaide x 1
Brisbane x 1
Sydney x 1
Geelong x 1

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd340/TheCoonDog/Other%20stuff/untitled-20.jpg

[Remi Moses]

Wow 6 day break after playing Darwin !
Contrived revenue making document if ever I've seen.:eek:
Any wonder teams get equalization funds

[ReLoad]

I put us on 10 wins for the year. with a little bit of luck we could get the kids into a final :)

[LostDoggy]

I put us on 10 wins for the year. with a little bit of luck we could get the kids into a final :)

I have us on 7 :(

[AndrewP6]

I hate hate hate vomit... the twilight games - and 3 of them!

[bornadog]

Maybe the opener should be GWS v GC


That game would create zero interest from diehard fans, it's going to be hard enough watch them play off in GF 's shortly little lone watch them when they are both DS.

Well its on.

[hujsh]

Wow GC and GWS once in Darwin and Manuka. First 5 games on Foxtel.
In Adelaide round 2 vs the Crows. Geelong at Geelong in the 2nd last round. Brisbane at Yo Gabba Gabba in the last round.
Awesome :rolleyes:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/125558/default.aspx

Just saw this "The following Thursday night will see the traditional round one clash between Richmond and Carlton"

Handy the way you schedule a game a few years in a row and now it's 'tradition' and must happen every year. Sneaky bastards.

[Mantis]

Well its on.

Rd 1 is a Sydney derby - GWS v Sydney.

[Ghost Dog]

If it (GWS v Syd) is anything like GC's first game this year most footy fans will be changing stations at 1/4 time.... but I guess that's no different to what happens with the traditional opener.

These openers are about as successful as the grand final entertainment. Too much pressure? One side always seems to choke. Richmond fans must have learned to loath them

[The Coon Dog]

From Twitter:

Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane

3 match times altered by 30 mins for 2012 Premiership Season; Rd5 GWS/Bulldogs, Rd11 Rich/Frem, Rd13 Bulldogs/Lions ALL now at 1.40pm local.

[LostDoggy]

From Twitter:

Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane

3 match times altered by 30 mins for 2012 Premiership Season; Rd5 GWS/Bulldogs, Rd11 Rich/Frem, Rd13 Bulldogs/Lions ALL now at 1.40pm local.

Thanks Coon Dog! Have changed the Lions game in my dairy. :)

[Desipura]

Thanks Coon Dog! Have changed the Lions game in my dairy. :)

Not lactose intolerant?

[LostDoggy]

Not lactose intolerant?

He he! Nice pick up. :o

[Mantis]

Does anyone know when they will confirm days & times for the rd 23 games?

It looks like I will be in SE QLD at that time and might try and schedule my flights home around the game... Thinking out loud I assume we will be on the Sunday as neither team will probably be in the finals the following week, but confimation would be helpful.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Does anyone know when they will confirm days & times for the rd 23 games?

It looks like I will be in SE QLD at that time and might try and schedule my flights home around the game... Thinking out loud I assume we will be on the Sunday as neither team will probably be in the finals the following week, but confimation would be helpful.

I thought they leave this announcement until as late as possible in the season to help with scheduling the first round of finals games.
I would like to know the timing as soon as possible too, as its the one game per year i can always go to. I just would like to know the day so I make sure I've got no clashes.