Out of bounds, out of my mind

[Ghost Dog]

THE CONNOLLY REPORT
THE AFL is fond of citing the ''flow-on'' effect in defending a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to criticism of umpires. This weekend might have seen a flow-on effect of a different kind.
A colleague umpiring an amateur game on Saturday noticed within minutes of the game starting that any time a kick went out of bounds, the bellowing of the crowd for ''deliberate'' was instantaneous. It continued unabated for the entire game.

And presuming most of those doing the yelling had watched Friday night's West Coast-Geelong clash, who could blame them? Until Friday night, in 162 matches, we'd seen an average of 0.6 free kicks a game paid for deliberate out-of-bounds. In the Eagles-Cats game, there were nine.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/umpiring-so-whats-next-20120812-242u9.html#ixzz23O1cN1aQ

:confused:What about the kick from Hooper in our game V Richmond?
It went about 50m, then rolled off the ground ( the bounce could have gone either way )and was ruled intentional!!What a load of #$%#$^ :mad:

[Mofra]

We should be exempt from OOB rules anyways - not many of our kicks seem that intentional

[bornadog]

:confused:What about the kick from Hooper in our game V Richmond?
It went about 50m, then rolled off the ground ( the bounce could have gone either way )and was ruled intentional!!What a load of #$%#$^ :mad:

One of the reasons we lost the 2009 prelim was the 50 metre kick from Aker that was deemed deliberate.

This rule is officially a joke and bears no resemblance to the reason it was originally introduced.

[jeemak]

It's just all part of the AFL's plan to keep the game moving with higher scores being kicked.

Limiting the options players have when under pressure is part of it. The AFL actually believes that supporters would prefer their teams to kick to their opposition rather than see a contest at a throw in.

It's insane.

[bornadog]

It's just all part of the AFL's plan to keep the game moving with higher scores being kicked.

Limiting the options players have when under pressure is part of it. The AFL actually believes that supporters would prefer their teams to kick to their opposition rather than see a contest at a throw in.

It's insane.

You can't shape the way you want the game played by rule changes, it just doesn't work in AFL.

[azabob]

You can't shape the way you want the game played by rule changes, it just doesn't work in AFL.

Tell them that (AFL), they seem hell bent on making it work...

[bornadog]

Tell them that (AFL), they seem hell bent on making it work...

The AFL has spoilt our great game with stupid rule changes. Just watch the game and see that every time there is a contest between two players, a free kick will be awarded every second time. Its almost impossible to go for a mark or the ball without some sort of accidental touch on a back, or chop of an arm. Yet you are able to throw the ball in the middle of packs, or when you are tackled you just let go and its play on. What's the difference between a swing and miss by foot compared to swing and miss by attempted handball, all treated differently.

The out of bounce deliberate is now a joke, so if a player kicks the ball and you punch the ball and it happens to go out its now a free kick. The game has changed forever.

[Ghost Dog]

The AFL has spoilt our great game with stupid rule changes. Just watch the game and see that every time there is a contest between two players, a free kick will be awarded every second time. Its almost impossible to go for a mark or the ball without some sort of accidental touch on a back, or chop of an arm. Yet you are able to throw the ball in the middle of packs, or when you are tackled you just let go and its play on. What's the difference between a swing and miss by foot compared to swing and miss by attempted handball, all treated differently.

The out of bounce deliberate is now a joke, so if a player kicks the ball and you punch the ball and it happens to go out its now a free kick. The game has changed forever.

One would argue that no other sport inspires such puzzled confusion from its players on a regular basis. Every time I take a bunch of internationals to the footy, I have real trouble explaining why something is a free. I get half way into the explanation, listen to myself and realize how complex it is.
The first half of a game is often a cluster of bums sticking out. Forwards are treated like kings while the defender is seldom rewarded. I'd hate to be a backman playing these days.

[Hotdog60]

Would a drop kick be deemed as incorrect disposal because the ball hits the ground before foot.:confused:

[The Coon Dog]

Would a drop kick be deemed as incorrect disposal because the ball hits the ground before foot.:confused:

Yes, it is a free kick to the tackler, assuming prior opportunity, if the ball hits the ground before the player gets his boot to the ball.

[Sockeye Salmon]

The AFL has spoilt our great game with stupid rule changes. Just watch the game and see that every time there is a contest between two players, a free kick will be awarded every second time. Its almost impossible to go for a mark or the ball without some sort of accidental touch on a back, or chop of an arm. Yet you are able to throw the ball in the middle of packs, or when you are tackled you just let go and its play on. What's the difference between a swing and miss by foot compared to swing and miss by attempted handball, all treated differently.

The out of bounce deliberate is now a joke, so if a player kicks the ball and you punch the ball and it happens to go out its now a free kick. The game has changed forever.

I keep turning on the footy because I think the players today are astonishing. Their skills, power and athleticism are unbelievable and I am continually gobsmacked by what they can do.

Then some dodo blows a whistle and I turn it off.


My God AFL could be scary good if we could just get rid of the morons running the show.

[bornadog]

I keep turning on the footy because I think the players today are astonishing. Their skills, power and athleticism are unbelievable and I am continually gobsmacked by what they can do.

Then some dodo blows a whistle and I turn it off.


My God AFL could be scary good if we could just get rid of the morons running the show.

This ^^^^^

[EasternWest]

Then some dodo blows a whistle and I turn it off.

I hate that I know any umpires name.

I hate that commentators delight in talking about "Razor Ray" etc.

I hate that they need to get in the face of players when they're pushing and shoving each other.

Give them a profile, give them an ego and these socially awkward super fit nerds suddenly think the show is about them.

I wish they'd just blow their whistles and disappear from sight until next time they need to blow it.

[Maddog37]

I think some people in this forum have close relatives that umpire.

[azabob]

I hate that I know any umpires name.

I hate that commentators delight in talking about "Razor Ray" etc.

I hate that they need to get in the face of players when they're pushing and shoving each other.

Give them a profile, give them an ego and these socially awkward super fit nerds suddenly think the show is about them.

I wish they'd just blow their whistles and disappear from sight until next time they need to blow it.

The problem is the umpires are just the puppets.

[Hotdog60]

A well umpired games is one that you don't notice the umpires

[Maddog37]

I would prefer too few frees to be paid than too many if I had to choose.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Let me clarify my earlier post.

I don't blame the umpires at all. I do blame the twit that runs them - Geishen. Failed as a player, failed as a coach and an epic fail as umpires adviser. Mostly I blame Bartlett and his idiot mates that feel they have to change 5 rules a year.


The game has become un-umpirable. There are probably a dozen rules (or interpretations of rules) that are to the detriment of the game.

[bornadog]

Let me clarify my earlier post.

I don't blame the umpires at all. I do blame the twit that runs them - Geishen. Failed as a player, failed as a coach and an epic fail as umpires adviser. Mostly I blame Bartlett and his idiot mates that feel they have to change 5 rules a year.


The game has become un-umpirable. There are probably a dozen rules (or interpretations of rules) that are to the detriment of the game.

Yes I don't blame the umpires either. Its impossible now to umpire because every time a player touches another, the umpire is compelled to blow the whistle because of the rules. He has to judge whether the hand was over the shoulder, or did the player touch his back, or did he chop the arms or just spoil the ball, did he deliberately hit the ball over the boundary or was he genuinely going for the ball and it slipped etc etc.

You have to be superman with razor ( :D ) , sharp eyes. I blame the AFL, and their stupid little rules committee. If you listen to Bartlett in the morning it will turn you off football for life,

[Sockeye Salmon]

Yes I don't blame the umpires either. Its impossible now to umpire because every time a player touches another, the umpire is compelled to blow the whistle because of the rules. He has to judge whether the hand was over the shoulder, or did the player touch his back, or did he chop the arms or just spoil the ball, did he deliberately hit the ball over the boundary or was he genuinely going for the ball and it slipped etc etc.

You have to be superman with razor ( :D ) , sharp eyes. I blame the AFL, and their stupid little rules committee. If you listen to Bartlett in the morning it will turn you off football for life,

Their pre-occupation with helping forwards score* has rendered defenders impotent.

In a marking contest a defender can't chop the arms or rest his hand on the back. He can't block the forwards run at the ball.

If he does manage to spoil, when the ball hits the ground he can't dive on the ball, he can't rush a point, he can't hit the boundary.

Seeing there is bugger all left for a defender to do to stiop his opponent, of course coaches are going to drop blokes back to help out the backline!

The rules committee have made sure flooding/zones are here to stay!




*I believe this has been driven by TV stations wanting more goals. More goals = more ads = more cash.