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bornadog
24-09-2012, 06:29 PM
Ten of the Best (http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/westernbulldogsnewsfeatures/newsarticle/tabid/4112/newsid/148372/default.aspx)

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Westernbulldogs.com.au takes a look at the illustrious group of ten Bulldogs players who have won Brownlow honours.

Allan Hopkins - 1930 (awarded retrospectively in 1989)
Hopkins became the first Bulldogs player to win the Brownlow Medal despite being 85 years old when it was retrospectively awarded. Joint winners were not recognised in 1930 and he subsequently placed second after a countback of the votes. Hopkins played 151 VFL games, captaining the side in 1926, 1929 and 1930 as well as being appointed as Coach for the 1930 Season.

Norman Ware - 1941
One of Footscray’s favourite big men at the time Norman Ware won the 1941 Brownlow medal. He played 200 games with Footscray between 1932 - 1942, 1944 - 46, kicked 220 goals and won a record 5 Best & Fairest awards. He also captained the Club (1940-42), coached (1941-42) and represented Victoria 10 times.

Peter Box - 1956
Peter Box is the only Premiership Player for the Footscray Bulldogs to win the Brownlow Medal, taking out the illustrious award in 1956 after being named Footscray’s Best and Fairest in 1955 The ‘greyhound’ centreman was famed for his brilliant handballing and high marks.

John Schultz - 1960
A gentleman on and off the field, John Schultz was awarded the Brownlow Medal in 1960. As the Bulldogs’ Vice Captain under Ted Whitten for seven years, Schultz’s decorated career included the Best and Fairest award in 1960, 1962, 1964-66. Schultz represented Victoria on 24 occasions during his career until the ruckman retired at 29. He was also elevated to Legend status at the Bulldogs Hall of Fame event in May this year.

Gary Dempsey - 1975
The inspirational Gary Dempsey prevailed against all odds to eventually win 6 Best and Fairest awards as well as being named the Brownlow Medallist in 1975. He played 207 games for the Bulldogs until he retired in 1978 - he also Captained the side from 1971-72 and 1977-78.

Kelvin Templeton - 1980
The first player to kick a ton in one season for the Bulldogs, Kelvin Templeton was awarded the Brownlow Medal for his efforts in 1980 - after winning the Coleman Medal in the two seasons previous (1978-79). He led Footscray in their goal-kicking for five consecutive years.

Brad Hardie - 1985
Brad Hardie was just the second player to receive the Brownlow Medal in his first year playing in the VFL. He followed it up with the Footscray Best and Fairest award in 1986 before being transferred to the Brisbane Bears.

Tony Liberatore - 1990
Missing the last three games of the year due to a knee injury, Tony Liberatore was only an outside chance to win AFL’s highest honour but after polling 18 votes he limped up to receive his medal. ‘Libba’ played for the Bulldogs from 1986 - 2002 and although he only managed 18 games in his first four seasons, his breakthrough in 1990 resulted in him becoming a vital member of the Club’s history.

Scott Wynd - 1992
Twenty years ago tap ruckman Scott Wynd was honoured with the Brownlow Medal. Wynd began his AFL career in 1988 and continued on to Captain the side from 1994 until he retired in 2000. He played 237 games for the Bulldogs during his thirteen seasons and kicked 31 goals.

Adam Cooney - 2008
Midfielder Adam Cooney won the Brownlow Medal at age 22. He secured the win with 24 votes, finishing just one vote in front of Brisbane’s Simon Black. The Dogs 2003 AFL first round draftee (pick no. 1 overall) topped off his 2008 Season with All Australian selection.

Go_Dogs
24-09-2012, 07:30 PM
Some pretty handy names in that list!

Eastdog
24-09-2012, 07:40 PM
Scott West in 2000 should have been there. Very unlucky not to win it. Ted Whitten one of our greatest players never won a brownlow and should be in there as well.

GVGjr
24-09-2012, 07:41 PM
I know it's impossible to judge properly but would Templeton and Box be the best of them?

I'm Not Bitter Anymore!
24-09-2012, 08:43 PM
Doug Hawkins for mine

Eastdog
24-09-2012, 09:05 PM
Doug Hawkins for mine

His definitely another player that should be there as well as Brad Johnson.

bornadog
25-09-2012, 12:15 AM
Scott West in 2000 should have been there. Very unlucky not to win it. Ted Whitten one of our greatest players never won a brownlow and should be in there as well.

No Teddy shouldn't be there as the Brownlow is for the best and fairest. He was not the fairest as he wacked a few blokes in his time.:D

Sockeye Salmon
25-09-2012, 12:46 AM
Gary Dempsey - 1975
The inspirational Gary Dempsey prevailed against all odds to eventually win 6 Best and Fairest awards as well as being named the Brownlow Medallist in 1975. He played 207 games for the Bulldogs until he retired in 1978 - he also Captained the side from 1971-72 and 1977-78.



:D

In my mind Demps retired after '78 to work with lepers in India and never went on to play another 100+ games for North.

Twodogs
25-09-2012, 02:11 PM
:D

In my mind Demps retired after '78 to work with lepers in India and never went on to play another 100+ games for North.


I wish he'd retired in '78 too and moved straight to Queensland then and played in his premiership up there earlier. Every game he played for North was like a dagger through the heart. At least he never got to play in a flag winning team for them

Nuggety Back Pocket
25-09-2012, 03:25 PM
I know it's impossible to judge properly but would Templeton and Box be the best of them?

I have seen them all since the 1960's and would regard John Schultz, the Club's only living legend, as the best since that era. Schultz made the Victorian State team in his first year and remained a State representative for the next 10 years, to be one of only two players to achieve this honour. The other being Fred Flanagan, who captained Geelong in their premiership wins in 1951/2. Templeton and Box were fine players although the late Charlie Sutton rated both Whitten and Collins as best players in his era in front of Peter Box, even though neither won a Brownlow.

GVGjr
25-09-2012, 07:37 PM
Dempsey? 6 b&fs
Schultz?


I was referring to their Brownlow season not their career. For a long time I heard what a great season Peter Box had when he won it and I thought Templeton was outstanding in his year.

Maddog37
25-09-2012, 07:43 PM
On the criteria above I would rate Wynd very highly. He was awesome in that year.

Mitcha
26-09-2012, 04:24 PM
Hard to believe it was 20 years ago that Wyndy saluted.

LostDoggy
27-09-2012, 09:36 AM
I have seen them all since the 1960's and would regard John Schultz, the Club's only living legend, as the best since that era. Schultz made the Victorian State team in his first year and remained a State representative for the next 10 years, to be one of only two players to achieve this honour. The other being Fred Flanagan, who captained Geelong in their premiership wins in 1951/2. Templeton and Box were fine players although the late Charlie Sutton rated both Whitten and Collins as best players in his era in front of Peter Box, even though neither won a Brownlow.

Agreed

Dempsey not far behind.

EJ was never a candidate for the Brownlow but bolts in as the best player of all time.

Bulldog4life
27-09-2012, 07:47 PM
Agreed

Dempsey not far behind.

EJ was never a candidate for the Brownlow but bolts in as the best player of all time.

Yes agree on Schultzy as the best brownlow medalist and what you also say on EJ too.

Jeanette54
28-09-2012, 10:18 AM
Where's Barry Round, Bernie Quinlan and Brian Wilson?
And the ones robbed George Bisset and Chris Grant?
You can also add Luke Darcy cos Shane Woewodin was a fraud.

I was there the day "Wee Georgie" was reported for striking Carl Diterich; and there was no doubt he did it, and why. It was a square off for another Footscray player being felled by Carl, EJ if my memory is correct.

Bearing in mind the relative size diference, they shouldn't have taken the Brownlow off George, but presented him with a VC as well.

I agree that the report that robbed Chris of his brownlow was just rubbish.

LostDoggy
28-09-2012, 11:22 AM
I was there the day "Wee Georgie" was reported for striking Carl Diterich; and there was no doubt he did it, and why. It was a square off for another Footscray player being felled by Carl, EJ if my memory is correct.

Bearing in mind the relative size diference, they shouldn't have taken the Brownlow off George, but presented him with a VC as well.

I agree that the report that robbed Chris of his brownlow was just rubbish.

I thought Bisset was reported and let off at the tribunal. I also thought he kicked 5 as first rover that day and umps weren't allowed to vote for him at all in that match?

LostDoggy
28-09-2012, 11:25 AM
Actually Wikipedia says it was vs Carlton he kicked 6 and had over 30 possessions. Didn't get a vote and lost the brownlow by 1 vote.
Sounds like robbed to me.

Also straight from the horses mouth when interviewed by TCD on this forum.

bornadog
28-09-2012, 02:10 PM
Actually Wikipedia says it was vs Carlton he kicked 6 and had over 30 possessions. Didn't get a vote and lost the brownlow by 1 vote.
Sounds like robbed to me.

Also straight from the horses mouth when interviewed by TCD on this forum.

Yept correct, was robbed because of the rules at the time, ie umpires put the votes in before the tribunal hearing.

westdog54
05-10-2012, 09:07 PM
Where's Barry Round, Bernie Quinlan and Brian Wilson?
And the ones robbed George Bisset and Chris Grant?
You can also add Luke Darcy cos Shane Woewodin was a fraud.

Wasn't it Scott West that was robbed that year?

Happy Days
06-10-2012, 03:18 AM
Wasn't it Scott West that was robbed that year?

As much as West should have won the medal, it's an enormous oversight to say anyone but Kouta was the best player that year; no beef with West being "robbed"

KT31
06-10-2012, 09:55 AM
As much as West should have won the medal, it's an enormous oversight to say anyone but Kouta was the best player that year; no beef with West being "robbed"

Kouta was a bit stiff with major awards in his career, IMO he deserved the Norm Smith instead of the Sentimental Favourite Williams, in the Carltons 95 flag.
Although I may have been a bit biased as I had money on Kouta to win.

LostDoggy
06-10-2012, 10:45 AM
As much as West should have won the medal, it's an enormous oversight to say anyone but Kouta was the best player that year; no beef with West being "robbed"
If he was beaten by Kouta fair enough but it was Woewodin.

bornadog
06-10-2012, 01:05 PM
As much as West should have won the medal, it's an enormous oversight to say anyone but Kouta was the best player that year; no beef with West being "robbed"

Didn't Kouta miss the last three games and was stuck on 19 votes, with the winner on, I think 22?

westdog54
06-10-2012, 07:01 PM
If he was beaten by Kouta fair enough but it was Woewodin.

Its painful just thinking about it, isn't it?

You'd handle Kouta edging you out for a brownlow, not Woewoeful.

jeemak
07-10-2012, 03:50 AM
If he was beaten by Kouta fair enough but it was Woewodin.

There's always a few players that can win it on merit adn Kouta certainly was one that I'd be happy with. Woewodin, all power to him, just wasn't there and it was a massive kick in the guts to see him take it out in front of West.

jeemak
07-10-2012, 03:55 AM
I was there the day "Wee Georgie" was reported for striking Carl Diterich; and there was no doubt he did it, and why. It was a square off for another Footscray player being felled by Carl, EJ if my memory is correct.

Bearing in mind the relative size diference, they shouldn't have taken the Brownlow off George, but presented him with a VC as well.

I agree that the report that robbed Chris of his brownlow was just rubbish.

It's funny as I'd look at the Grant incident nowadays and say he should at least be brought in front of the tribunal, and maybe cop a week. There really was no need for him to do what he did that day, though the penalty and the way it was handed down retrospectively from the administration after the umpires didn't lay a repot was disgraceful and completely out of line with how the game was played then.

What sickened me most about the whole thing was Lockett being scrutinised under similar circumstances in the following weeks, and the rat Collins stating he wasn't going to intervene as the Umpiring team had passed a recommendation not to, and that was enough for him to not intervene. While I was competely pissed at Collins for his initial intervention in the Grant case, his contradictory stand on Lockett (considering his poor record) was disgusting.

bornadog
07-10-2012, 12:38 PM
It's funny as I'd look at the Grant incident nowadays and say he should at least be brought in front of the tribunal, and maybe cop a week. There really was no need for him to do what he did that day, though the penalty and the way it was handed down retrospectively from the administration after the umpires didn't lay a repot was disgraceful and completely out of line with how the game was played then.

What sickened me most about the whole thing was Lockett being scrutinised under similar circumstances in the following weeks, and the rat Collins stating he wasn't going to intervene as the Umpiring team had passed a recommendation not to, and that was enough for him to not intervene. While I was competely pissed at Collins for his initial intervention in the Grant case, his contradictory stand on Lockett (considering his poor record) was disgusting.

What I don't understand is why the club didn't challenge this and the rules at the time??

bornadog
24-09-2015, 06:24 PM
Bump

Do any of our players have a chance to add to the list of 10 Brownlows at our club?

LostDoggy
24-09-2015, 07:18 PM
Bump

Do any of our players have a chance to add to the list of 10 Brownlows at our club?

Every single one of them does.

Maybe not Picken. Can't see an umpire giving him 3 votes every week. :D

LostDoggy
24-09-2015, 10:37 PM
Dahl,Bobby,Wally.

boydogs
24-09-2015, 10:41 PM
Too evenly spread for any Dogs to be up there. Any of our AA squadders plus Wallis could get 10 votes, but 15 max

LostDoggy
25-09-2015, 12:23 AM
Every single one of them does.

Maybe not Picken. Can't see an umpire giving him 3 votes every week. :D

Just a single vote would be nice. A player of his quality does not deserve to be vote free this far into his career.

Can't see a Doggy winning this year. I'll guess Wallis our leading votegetter with 16, with 3 or 4 others in double figures.

1eyedog
25-09-2015, 12:45 AM
Bump

Do any of our players have a chance to add to the list of 10 Brownlows at our club?

Wally is my Woewodin for 2015.

Axe Man
25-09-2015, 11:50 AM
Odds on our top vote-getter if anybody fancies a flutter:

Mitch Wallis 2.75
Marcus Bontempelli 3.50
Matthew Boyd 5.00
Jack Macrae 6.00
Liam Picken 8.00
Luke Dahlhaus 8.00
Jake Stringer 15.00
Lachie Hunter 26.00
Robert Murphy 41.00
Easton Wood 41.00
Any Other Unlisted Player 51.00
Stewart Crameri 101.00
Tory Dickson 101.00

strebla
25-09-2015, 01:02 PM
Odds on our top vote-getter if anybody fancies a flutter:

Mitch Wallis 2.75
Marcus Bontempelli 3.50
Matthew Boyd 5.00
Jack Macrae 6.00
Liam Picken 8.00
Luke Dahlhaus 8.00
Jake Stringer 15.00
Lachie Hunter 26.00
Robert Murphy 41.00
Easton Wood 41.00
Any Other Unlisted Player 51.00
Stewart Crameri 101.00
Tory Dickson 101.00

I like Boyd at $5 but Bobby at $41 that is your value bet I might have a little nibble here.

Cyberdoggie
25-09-2015, 01:30 PM
I think the vote grabbers will be players like Dahlhaus, Boyd and Wood.

Bob does a few magical things in games but not sure umpires will see those few things as dominating a game enough to be in the 1-2-3.

Wallis may get a few but he's not flashy and missed a few games as well.

Wood is an attention grabber with his courageous marks in defence and may get a few 1's and 2's.

Dahlhaus is the best bet because he has been very consistent and is right under the umpires noses.

I would expect a diverse mix of players scoring this year, Stringer will get best on ground on 2 or 3 games, same with Bont, but they may not get much else.

Hunter may also steal votes at the end.

LostDoggy
25-09-2015, 02:40 PM
My money will be on Boyd leading our count.

We will more than likely have about 6 blokes in the 8-14 vote range