2016 Cash Converters - Recycling Pre-Loved Players

[bulldogtragic]

Here's this list of current delistings & retirements. Anyone worth looking into or inviting down to training?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/features/retirements-and-delistings

[The Doctor]

nothing to see here folks! lets go to the draft

[bornadog]

nothing to see here folks! lets go to the draft

I am thinking the same.

[Sedat]

Let's give Luke Lowden a lifeline to extend his career and become the first Eker HoF legend.

Not a lot of quality on that list. Morabito the only one but his body looks shot with recurring soft tissue injuries now crippling him after all of his knee ops. Poor bloke never had a shot at it.

[azabob]

Jack Grimes at one stage knew what he was doing. He may be worth looking at depending on his injury history?

[LostDoggy]

Jack Grimes at one stage knew what he was doing. He may be worth looking at depending on his injury history?

He is the one in that list who I gave a thought to as well azabob.

Was joint captain at a young age, copped injuries and lost his way in Melbourne's wretched system. As a third tall defender, he is really smart, versatile, mobile and wins a heap of ball (after missing nearly all this year, he had 32 possessions, 8 tackles in first game back - averages a tick over 20 possessions per game career wide). He strikes me as the type who could really thrive under our system.

If we do lose Hamling, he would be solid depth for Morris. Under Bevo and Bubba's guidance, could end up being quite valuable. As a 27yo we'd get for nothing, I can see how a rookie role at least would be tempting.

Not massively keen, but can see some merit in considering him.

[azabob]

He is the one in that list who I gave a thought to as well azabob.

Was joint captain at a young age, copped injuries and lost his way in Melbourne's wretched system. As a third tall defender, he is really smart, versatile, mobile and wins a heap of ball (after missing nearly all this year, he had 32 possessions, 8 tackles in first game back - averages a tick over 20 possessions per game career wide). He strikes me as the type who could really thrive under our system.

If we do lose Hamling, he would be solid depth for Morris. Under Bevo and Bubba's guidance, could end up being quite valuable. As a 27yo we'd get for nothing, I can see how a rookie role at least would be tempting.

Not massively keen, but can see some merit in considering him.

I spoke to a Melbourne supporter yesterday about him and he said basically the same thing. He lost his way in Melbourne's wretched system and his decision making has suffered.

[boydogs]

Daniel Merrett & Reece McKenzie worth a look

[GVGjr]

Daniel Merrett & Reece McKenzie worth a look

I think both have retired from AFL football. McKenzie has apparently struggled with the professionalism required and I don't think Merrett has another season in him.

[Twodogs]

Did he miss a bit of footy this year because of injury Daniel Merritt?

[GVGjr]

Did he miss a bit of footy this year because of injury Daniel Merritt?

No he played nearly all of the season. He might have missed just 1 or 2 games

[MrMahatma]

No need for a Merret type. Adams will be back next year, and he's an upgrade already.

Stick with the draft, but we could do with another ruckman who has already been in the system for 2-3 years.

[LostDoggy]

No need for a Merret type. Adams will be back next year, and he's an upgrade already.

Stick with the draft, but we could do with another ruckman who has already been in the system for 2-3 years.

Liam McBean from Richmond?
202cm,22 years old,been in the system for 2 or 3 years.
Drafted as a forward but hey so was Tommy Boyd and look what Bevo has tapped into with him.

[bulldogtragic]

Liam McBean from Richmond?
202cm,22 years old,been in the system for 2 or 3 years.
Drafted as a forward but hey so was Tommy Boyd and look what Bevo has tapped into with him.

If we are rookie drafting a young ruckman, it might be worth a shot.

As for Merrett, hasn't he got a 3 or 4 match ban? Hard to recruit and pay for an old fella who can't play much of the first month.

[azabob]

Liam McBean from Richmond?
202cm,22 years old,been in the system for 2 or 3 years.
Drafted as a forward but hey so was Tommy Boyd and look what Bevo has tapped into with him.

He is a worse version of Ayce Cordy. All hype, no substance.

Richmond chose to keep Ivan Maric over him.

[LostDoggy]

He is a worse version of Ayce Cordy. All hype, no substance.

Richmond chose to keep Ivan Maric over him.

Fair enough :)

[azabob]

Fair enough :)

A few richmond supporters I know just kept going on how mobile he was a was going to be the next big Forward / Ruck. And then bam, delisted!

Didn't mean to be short or come across as dismissive! :)

[LostDoggy]

A few richmond supporters I know just kept going on how mobile he was a was going to be the next big Forward / Ruck. And then bam, delisted!

Didn't mean to be short or come across as dismissive! :)

All good Aza :)

[LostDoggy]

I spoke to a Melbourne supporter yesterday about him and he said basically the same thing. He lost his way in Melbourne's wretched system and his decision making has suffered.

His appeal as a possible rookie has grown in the past few days....

[GVGjr]

I'd be having a chat to Garland and/or Dunn from Melbourne because they would provide support for the back line for next season and perhaps a couple of seasons. Dunn in particular has the sort of size that we need plus he hasn't lost his mobility.

[1eyedog]

That would be a chat the Footscray of old had. I'd be shocked to see either one at the club next year. Shocked and a little dismayed.

[The Doctor]

I'd be having a chat to Garland and/or Dunn from Melbourne because they would provide support for the back line for next season and perhaps a couple of seasons. Dunn in particular has the sort of size that we need plus he hasn't lost his mobility.

but they're awful, there's a reason they are playing in the Melbourne reserves

no thanks

[GVGjr]

but they're awful, there's a reason they are playing in the Melbourne reserves

no thanks

I knew it wouldn't be a popular idea but we need to find a key defender who can provide coverage. We don't necessarily need someone who has to play every game but if we can get a player capable of filling in as required I don't see it as an issue.
Last season I think some were recommending Jack Fitzpatrick which I don't believe was a bad idea either.

[LostDoggy]

That would be a chat the Footscray of old had. I'd be shocked to see either one at the club next year. Shocked and a little dismayed.
There is still a place for limited role players. In our Premiership year we recruited Jed Adcock, so not sure the Footscray of old comment is valid.

[GVGjr]

There is still a place for limited role players. In our Premiership year we recruited Jed Adcock, so not sure the Footscray of old comment is valid.

And that is what the Cash Converters thread is for. Looking for an established player that is out of favour with his current club who could come in and play a specific role or two as required.

[ratsmac]

Garland definite no. Dunn on the other hand isn't too bad IMO. My mate (Melbourne supporter) was shocked others were getting games ahead of him. Understanding they are getting games into the kids but they still have to earn spot. Dunn would be good coverage if Adams has another injury riddled season. Rookie list if he wanted.

[The Doctor]

I'd rather we give a guy like Jordan Russell a go. He may not be KP height but he knows our team defence structure as well as anybody and he's a better footballer.

[jazzadogs]

What's the knock on Jack Grimes? I don't think I've seen him play in the last five years, but with the magic powers that Bevo seems to have he could be worth the Adcock rookie spot?

[bulldogtragic]

UNSIGNED FREE AGENTS

Adelaide
Ricky Henderson

Collingwood
Jarryd Blair

Essendon
Courtenay Dempsey

Fremantle
Zac Clarke
Matt de Boer
Clancee Pearce

Geelong
Tom Lonergan

Melbourne
Jack Grimes

North Melbourne
Drew Petrie

Port Adelaide
Paul Stewart

St Kilda
Sam Fisher

West Coast
Mitch Brown
Sam Butler

Western Bulldogs
Will Minson

[1eyedog]

UNSIGNED FREE AGENTS

Adelaide
Ricky Henderson

Collingwood
Jarryd Blair

Essendon
Courtenay Dempsey

Fremantle
Zac Clarke
Matt de Boer
Clancee Pearce

Geelong
Tom Lonergan

Melbourne
Jack Grimes

North Melbourne
Drew Petrie

Port Adelaide
Paul Stewart

St Kilda
Sam Fisher

West Coast
Mitch Brown
Sam Butler
Patrick McGinnity

Western Bulldogs
Will Minson

Aren't they signing up Lonergan?

[bulldogtragic]

Aren't they signing up Lonergan?

Holding off to see if they can get Deledio, they need salary cap space. Apparently hasn't been made a half decent offer. Might go walkabouts depending on what happens.

[LostDoggy]

Holding off to see if they can get Deledio, they need salary cap space. Apparently hasn't been made a half decent offer. Might go walkabouts depending on what happens.

Weren't we into him 2 years ago IIRC?
Offered big $$$$$ to I think.
Would we throw him a bone?
Turns 33 in May.

[bulldogtragic]

Weren't we into him 2 years ago IIRC?
Offered big $$$$$ to I think.
Would we throw him a bone?
Turns 33 in May.

From memory BMac had us throw a huge offer at him, 4 years at $600,000 a season.

[1eyedog]

Weren't we into him 2 years ago IIRC?
Offered big $$$$$ to I think.
Would we throw him a bone?
Turns 33 in May.

I'd have him before Brown or Dunne.

[LostDoggy]

I'd have him before Brown or Dunne.

Agree 1eye ;)
But who is Dunne?

[Twodogs]

I knew it wouldn't be a popular idea but we need to find a key defender who can provide coverage. We don't necessarily need someone who has to play every game but if we can get a player capable of filling in as required I don't see it as an issue.
Last season I think some were recommending Jack Fitzpatrick which I don't believe was a bad idea either.

I'm a big Jack Fitzpatrick fan. Love to see him on our list.

[1eyedog]

Agree 1eye ;)
But who is Dunne?

Sorry meant Dunn.

[GVGjr]

Collingwood making a move to land Lynden Dunn

[LostDoggy]

Collingwood making a move to land Lynden Dunn

Their list management is a dogs breakfast

[Remi Moses]

Collingwood making a move to land Lynden Dunn

Phew! Thank god for that

[1eyedog]

Collingwood making a move to land Lynden Dunn

Thanks goodness.

[jeemak]

I'd consider Lonergan on a two year offer, though I was one that was happy to take him a few years ago.

[G-Mo77]

I'm a big Jack Fitzpatrick fan. Love to see him on our list.

That goose from Melbourne playing for the Hawks now? No way.

[bulldogtragic]

Mitch Clark could be a delisted free agent (or a possible rookie). At 200cm & 103kg, is he a good back up ruck/second forward option?

[chef]

Mitch Clark could be a delisted free agent (or a possible rookie). At 200cm & 103kg, is he a good back up ruck/second forward option?

I'd probably steer clear.

[The Doctor]

Mason Shaw from South Fremantle & previously with Port came 2nd in the WAFL goalkicking.

At 197cm & 23yo going into next year could be worth a look. Any WAFL watchers here?

[Greystache]

Mitch Clark could be a delisted free agent (or a possible rookie). At 200cm & 103kg, is he a good back up ruck/second forward option?

Hell no, I'd prefer Lawrence Angwin. Clark's time is over, I couldn't think of a club that would take on someone of his character, not even Richmond.

[bulldogtragic]

Hell no, I'd prefer Lawrence Angwin. Clark's time is over, I couldn't think of a club that would take on someone of his character, not even Richmond.

I'm guessing Lawy is under another sort of time based contract. So you might not be able to grab him...

Very, very thin pickings for rucks this trade period.

[Rocket Science]

Very, very thin pickings for rucks this trade period.

Telling that Lobbe still can't generate any interest.

[comrade]

I'm guessing Lawy is under another sort of time based contract. So you might not be able to grab him...

Very, very thin pickings for rucks this trade period.

Yep, better that we kept our powder dry. And who wants to come to us to be a third string ruckman? Just rookie list the best state league ruck and be done with it.

[GVGjr]

Telling that Lobbe still can't generate any interest.

I know many people have blind faith in the club's recruiting but I think we dodged a bullet there. Can you imagine giving up even a pick in the top 30 now for Lobbe let alone a 1st round pick that was touted last year?

[comrade]

I know many people have blind faith in the club's recruiting but I think we dodged a bullet there. Can you imagine giving up even a pick in the top 30 now for Lobbe let alone a 1st round pick that was touted last year?

Who has blind faith in the club's recruiting? If anything, most people are overly critical.

Definite bullet dodged, and not the first by JMac (Lonergan, Greenwood, Dawes off the top of my head).

[1eyedog]

Who has blind faith in the club's recruiting? If anything, most people are overly critical.

Definite bullet dodged, and not the first by JMac (Lonergan, Greenwood, Dawes off the top of my head).

Gumbleton!

[jeemak]

Who has blind faith in the club's recruiting? If anything, most people are overly critical.

Definite bullet dodged, and not the first by JMac (Lonergan, Greenwood, Dawes off the top of my head).

Lonergan would have definitely been a premiership defender this year and would have added value in my view.

[bulldogtragic]

Lonergan would have definitely been a premiership defender this year and would have added value in my view.

He's still without a contract...

[comrade]

Lonergan would have definitely been a premiership defender this year and would have added value in my view.

At the mega bucks we were throwing at him, I'm happy he passed. Now we get to call Fletcher Roberts a premiership full back and that is much more fun.

[bulldogtragic]

At the mega bucks we were throwing at him, I'm happy he passed. Now we get to call Fletcher Roberts a premiership full back and that is much more fun.

That was my main concern. $2,400,000 over 4 years was huge coin. He's still uncontracted surprisingly, but with Bartel retiring he should get a decent offer now.

[LostDoggy]

Who has blind faith in the club's recruiting? If anything, most people are overly critical.

Definite bullet dodged, and not the first by JMac (Lonergan, Greenwood, Dawes off the top of my head).

Giles?

[ratsmac]

Giles?

Speaking of Giles, where's he being traded to this year?

[jeemak]

At the mega bucks we were throwing at him, I'm happy he passed. Now we get to call Fletcher Roberts a premiership full back and that is much more fun.

He was probably worth $450-500K at the time. It was a sign that McCartney thought 2017 and 2018 were the years he could challenge for a decent run at finals.

I'm much more comfortable with how things have worked out, that's for sure.

[Ghost Dog]

Gumbleton!

Poor Gumby. The player who never was.

[Ghost Dog]

Who has blind faith in the club's recruiting? If anything, most people are overly critical.

Definite bullet dodged, and not the first by JMac (Lonergan, Greenwood, Dawes off the top of my head).

After 2016, I do!

[macca]

Barlow delisted , is he worth a rookie spot as a mature age as a Adcock like insurance ? His played in a GF and a few prelims . Cannot believe how much he has fallen out of favour. What's Lyon et al coaches doing to turn these guys off form???

[bulldogtragic]

Josh Green delisted by Brisbane after not getting a trade done.
Barlow has had several clubs talk to him. Looks like getting another shot at it.

[Axe Man]

Barlow delisted , is he worth a rookie spot as a mature age as a Adcock like insurance ? His played in a GF and a few prelims . Cannot believe how much he has fallen out of favour. What's Lyon et al coaches doing to turn these guys off form???

I imagine someone will give him a senior list spot so he wont be interested in rookie spot.

[GVGjr]

Barlow delisted , is he worth a rookie spot as a mature age as a Adcock like insurance ? His played in a GF and a few prelims . Cannot believe how much he has fallen out of favour. What's Lyon et al coaches doing to turn these guys off form???


I imagine someone will give him a senior list spot so he wont be interested in rookie spot.

He's a senior player and no doubt a club will help him in that endeavour. While I don't think we will offer him a spot on the senior list after losing Hrovat and Stevens and having Wallis on a long term injury our depth is a lot thinner and I think we should seriously consider Barlow. I'm hoping we go for broke to win another flag and Barlow would improve our list.

[Axe Man]

Andrejs Everitt has announced his own delisting!:D

https://s14.postimg.org/plx7mvf29/Capture.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/ygy1xe3ul/)

[bulldogtragic]

We still have the right to have players train with us for a while don't we?

If so, I'd invite Everitt down for a week or two and have a close look what he can do in a zone defence system, with a view only to the rookie list.

[GVGjr]

We still have the right to have players train with us for a while don't we?

If so, I'd invite Everitt down for a week or two and have a close look what he can do in a zone defence system, with a view only to the rookie list.


I think you still can. Everitt has the same sort of athleticism as Hamling and could be a handy player that could also cover a gap within the list. He was Carlton's leading goal kicker in 2015 wasn't he? It couldn't hurt to offer him somewhere to train for a few weeks until the PSD/Rookie draft

[bulldogtragic]

I think you still can. Everitt has the same sort of athleticism as Hamling and could be a handy player that could also cover a gap within the list. He was Carlton's leading goal kicker in 2015 wasn't he? It couldn't hurt to offer him somewhere to train for a few weeks until the PSD/Rookie draft

Pretty sure he was leading or second in 2015. They were desperate I understand, but they had him down the wrong end for the majority of his time there. He's on last chance saloon, so you'd hope he'd take an invite to train seriously. If he can't concentrate of our defensive structures well enough to play well, he can go home. But as you say, he has a similar height, weight and athletism as Hamling. As a mature rookie, with two upgrade options early on, he's worthy of a look at training in my book.

[Twodogs]

We still have the right to have players train with us for a while don't we?

If so, I'd invite Everitt down for a week or two and have a close look what he can do in a zone defence system, with a view only to the rookie list.

I'm keen on having at least look at Everitt. A very low cost replacement for Hamling.

[Sedat]

You can't teach someone workrate and intensity, especially after 10 years in the system. I don't think Everitt will ever learn these two critical components to go with his obvious talent.

[The Pie Man]

Josh Green delisted by Brisbane after not getting a trade done.
Barlow has had several clubs talk to him. Looks like getting another shot at it.

I wouldn't mind having a look at Green

[Bulldog4life]

I wouldn't mind having a look at Green

I read in yesterday's HUN that the reason why Brisbane delisted him was that he wanted $500,000 per year:(

[bulldogtragic]

I read in yesterday's HUN that the reason why Brisbane delisted him was that he wanted $500,000 per year:(

So he & Lewis Taylor want a combined $1,000,000 a year, or 10% of the salary cap spent on just them two....

*!*!*!*!ing dreaming!

[Bulldog4life]

So he & Lewis Taylor want a combined $1,000,000 a year, or 10% of the salary cap spent on just them two....

*!*!*!*!ing dreaming!

Exactly what I thought.

[The Doctor]

I'd rather hit the draft than take in rejects from bottom feeding clubs like Carlton and Brisbane. Our success has come primarily through the draft and I don't want us to fall for the 'topping up' trap.

This is a good draft and I'd like us to go in with 4 picks and keep bringing in talented young guns.

[soupman]

I wouldn't mind having a look at Green
God no.

He's a limited and mediocre small forward with a complete inability to play anywhere else and an overinflated opinion of himself. If he was given a spot on our list ahead of anyone else currently on it I would be incredibly disappointed.

[GVGjr]

I'd rather hit the draft than take in rejects from bottom feeding clubs like Carlton and Brisbane. Our success has come primarily through the draft and I don't want us to fall for the 'topping up' trap.

This is a good draft and I'd like us to go in with 4 picks and keep bringing in talented young guns.

I think there needs to be a balance of drafting and trading to continue to improve the list. It's all well to say lets hit the draft but we almost certainly pick the best players regardless of the position they play which leads us to an unbalanced list or one where there are a few gaps.

To me looking at bringing in a player through free agency does not compromise the drafting of players. If we looked at a Richards it gives us a player with a bit of senior experience and one who has been in a good system for a few years. It then adds a bit of insurance that we won't have next season.

I'd look for 4 inclusions as well, 3 via the draft and 1 needs based player through free agency. It worked well with Hamling 2 years ago and can do so again.

[bornadog]

I'd rather hit the draft than take in rejects from bottom feeding clubs like Carlton and Brisbane. Our success has come primarily through the draft and I don't want us to fall for the 'topping up' trap.

This is a good draft and I'd like us to go in with 4 picks and keep bringing in talented young guns.

This^^^^

Have said that for years and we have basically followed that over the past 3 to 4, just bringing in the odd man here and there. The premiership team only had three players from other teams.

[Axe Man]

North have delisted Joel Tippett and Brad McKenzie. Any interest in Tippett for key defender depth, perhaps as a rookie?

[GVGjr]

This^^^^

Have said that for years and we have basically followed that over the past 3 to 4, just bringing in the odd man here and there. The premiership team only had three players from other teams.

What is the issue in bringing in players from other teams if they address gaps within your playing list? Hawks have used this successfully for years. So have other good sides.

We wanted Hurley to add to our existing KPD stocks but didn't get him and now lose Hamling with Adams serving notice so why wouldn't you look at some other options if there is minimum risk?

[Topdog]

What is the issue in bringing in players from other teams if they address gaps within your playing list? Hawks have used this successfully for years. So have other good sides.

We wanted Hurley to add to our existing KPD stocks but didn't get him and now lose Hamling with Adams serving notice so why wouldn't you look at some other options if there is minimum risk?

It just needs to be done correctly and thats what we have done recently. Signings like Hamling and Biggs cost us absolutely nothing, very different to the trades of Street and Koops for example.

[Mofra]

We wanted Hurley to add to our existing KPD stocks but didn't get him and now lose Hamling with Adams serving notice so why wouldn't you look at some other options if there is minimum risk?
It does cost a list spot which a few years ago we could afford, right now perhaps not given it's a premiership list with quite a bit of 25th-35th quality.

If we put Prudden on the rookie list and pick up O'Shea (decent KPD) that's fine, or rookie a mature state leaguer ruck, but I can't see too many other mature options that really provide anything we haven't already got.

[GVGjr]

It just needs to be done correctly and thats what we have done recently. Signings like Hamling and Biggs cost us absolutely nothing, very different to the trades of Street and Koops for example.

Exactly. I have no issues with debating the merits of any candidates but a blanket no seems counter productive.

[GVGjr]

It does cost a list spot which a few years ago we could afford, right now perhaps not given it's a premiership list with quite a bit of 25th-35th quality.

If we put Prudden on the rookie list and pick up O'Shea (decent KPD) that's fine, or rookie a mature state leaguer ruck, but I can't see too many other mature options that really provide anything we haven't already got.

Do we not have an issue with being a bit short on key position defenders or a support ruckman? Did we not lose some depth with the loss of Hamling, Stevens and Hrovat which of course we now have Cloke in the positive column?

I look at our playing list and see opportunities to improve and I don't buy that it's not required.

[bulldogtragic]

Exactly. I have no issues with debating the merits of any candidates but a blanket no seems counter productive.

A blanket no would have denied us Hammer & Biggs in the Grand Final. Both crucial in the win. I think the strategy should be to consider a mature player for the rookie list, and then allow form to dictate if they get elevated. With Wally out for the year, we can effectively get a Biggs/Hamling type on the rookie list but have access to them at AFEL level all year potentially. I think our rookie list strategy could be very interesting and be a strategic advantage if we use it right.

[bornadog]

Exactly. I have no issues with debating the merits of any candidates but a blanket no seems counter productive.

We currently have a very strong team. Unless we brought in a high profile star, I don't believe we need to get a ready made player this year. As Doc said, I would prefer to bolster our stocks for the future through the draft.

We can bring in a mature age rookie that can be upgraded, to help fill in as insurance, some one tall as we don't need mids.

[GVGjr]

We currently have a very strong team. Unless we brought in a high profile star, I don't believe we need to get a ready made player this year. As Doc said, I would prefer to bolster our stocks for the future through the draft.

We can bring in a mature age rookie that can be upgraded, to help fill in as insurance, some one tall as we don't need mids.

So to be clear in your opinion we don't need anyone to support the 2 ruckman we have and despite losing Hamling, missing out on Hurley, Adams putting us on notice plus Morris possibly in his last season in 2017 we can't even look at key defenders because of the strength of our senior playing list?

[1eyedog]

So to be clear in your opinion we don't need anyone to support the 2 ruckman we have and despite losing Hamling, missing out on Hurley, Adams putting us on notice plus Morris possibly in his last season in 2017 we can't even look at key defenders because of the strength of our senior playing list?

I think we definitely need a young developing ruck at Footscray. We are not going to bring in anyone decent (i.e. ready to go) as a third-string ruck. We also need to undertake a fairly robust due diligence for a key defender between now and next year's trade period. This is the critical gap in the list that needs filling if Adams wants out.

Outside of this I would think the next port of call would be an outsider who uses it well.

I would look at best available as opposed to a stop gap in every circumstance and I'm not sure we're on the same page re. Dunn and one of the Browns.

[anfo27]

North have delisted Joel Tippett and Brad McKenzie. Any interest in Tippett for key defender depth, perhaps as a rookie?

Really surprised they delisted McKenzie. Kicks the ball really well from the times i have seen him and can see some value there.

[LostDoggy]

God no.

He's a limited and mediocre small forward with a complete inability to play anywhere else and an overinflated opinion of himself. If he was given a spot on our list ahead of anyone else currently on it I would be incredibly disappointed.
Perfect fit for The Filth.

[Scraggers]

Alex Silvani has been delisted by Freo. As a backup for our backline I would be interested. Even as a mature rookie.

[1eyedog]

Alex Silvani has been delisted by Freo. As a backup for our backline I would be interested. Even as a mature rookie.

That's surprising that Hamling comes in and Silvagni goes out. I thought he was in favor but have not been following him. What are his deficiencies?

[The Doctor]

Exactly. I have no issues with debating the merits of any candidates but a blanket no seems counter productive.

who said a "blanket no"?

my point was not taking in rejects from bottom feeding clubs.

I'm fine with trading in players from other clubs in the right circumstances. Getting players from strong clubs who fit a need and aren't getting a game and come cheap like Biggs and Hamling is fine if we can identify them. But the trading period is now over.

In our present situation however I think the draft is the best way to go. I'm sure we can pick up a decent young ruck prospect or a key defender in this draft.

which ruckman or any other player would you pick up as a DFA?

[GVGjr]

who said a "blanket no"?

my point was not taking in rejects from bottom feeding clubs.


It doesn't matter what position a club is in if a player that could potentially fill in a need for us.



I'm fine with trading in players from other clubs in the right circumstances. Getting players from strong clubs who fit a need and aren't getting a game and come cheap like Biggs and Hamling is fine if we can identify them. But the trading period is now over.



Hamling was a DFA, the Cats wanted to rookie him but we offered a senior spot and he took it.
Biggs was stuck at the Swans who didn't have a senior list spot for him because the had commitments to Academy players. Rather than just delist him they offered a cheap as chips trade.

I don't think it makes much difference if the clubs they are coming from are strong if you've done your homework. We've certainly traded for some Geelong boys over the years who didn't measure up.'



In our present situation however I think the draft is the best way to go. I'm sure we can pick up a decent young ruck prospect or a key defender in this draft.

which ruckman or any other player would you pick up as a DFA?

We will use at least 2 picks on the players we regard as the best available and I don't believe we will reach for a player just because he might fill a need. At pick 18 we will most likely land a player that we rate in the 10 to 16 bracket. At pick 26 it will most likely be a player we rate somewhere between 14 and 23.
At pick 50 it could easily be a needs based player but if there was someone still there that we rated in the top 30 then I wouldn't be sure we should pass on them.

To me the draft is for getting most talented players regardless of the positions they play and I think this has been the clubs approach for a number of years. The trade period and now the DFA option is the time where you address the needs of the playing list. For some reason we don't look like utilising these options.

We have two gaps in our list around support in the ruck and looking to find a key defender even if it's for a short term.
I'm not sure if Richards potentially fills the option of a key defender but I think he could be a decent option and certainly I believe he is worthy of consideration. We didn't utilise the trade period to chase a potential support ruckman and I think this leaves us unnecessarily exposed and I don't believe there is an ideal fix still available via a DFA.

The players that we could draft and come in and play some senior football are more likely to be midfielders which we aren't too bad for depth wise. If we draft a ruckman, it's unlikely that they could offer much in their first season.

It's great that we have a strong list but I still think we could make it a bit stronger if we cover even one of the gaps.

[macca]

Richards delisted, the swans must be really unhappy with his contract rejection. surely essendon has a spot for him ?

[bulldogtragic]

Richards delisted, the swans must be really unhappy with his contract rejection. surely essendon has a spot for him ?

I think he can pick his own home now as a DFA. Whoever wants him can grab him now.

[bornadog]

Richards delisted, the swans must be really unhappy with his contract rejection. surely essendon has a spot for him ?

Well that was a stuff up by him.

[bulldogtragic]

Well that was a stuff up by him.

Not necessarily. If he had a club in mind, and that club wanted him too, then they just got their wish without an actual trade occurring. I can't imagine he won't end up at a Victorian club that he's happy enough to be at. Frankly, between he and Prudden I'd rather have him on the primary list.

[GVGjr]

Well that was a stuff up by him.

He was offered a 2 year deal to stay in Sydney but has knocked it back. Hopefully his manager has a team in lined up.
He's been squeezed out by the Swans struggling with their salary cap.

[bulldogtragic]

He was offered a 2 year deal to stay in Sydney but has knocked it back. Hopefully his manager has a team in lined up.
He's been squeezed out by the Swans struggling with their salary cap.

Anyone know a team who lost a lightly framed KPP, is the premier, has a blockbuster game and huge amount of prime time games? They might have a good chat with him as a delistee free agent.

[bornadog]

He was offered a 2 year deal to stay in Sydney but has knocked it back. Hopefully his manager has a team in lined up.
He's been squeezed out by the Swans struggling with their salary cap.

Unless of course as BT says he has another offer.

[Axe Man]

Strange with Richards - it was reported only yesterday that he was likely to re-sign with the Swans.

So there are a few confirmed delisted free agents and some others out of contract that could find themselves delisted in the next few days that we could possibly look at for KPD depth. Off the top of my head:

Xavier Richards
Alex Silvagni
Joel Tippett
Mitch Brown (not confirmed)
Cam O'Shea (not confirmed)

Any others?

[Twodogs]

Xav Richards is the best fit for us I reckon.

[bulldogtragic]

Xav Richards is the best fit for us I reckon.

I think the others have hit their talent ceiling, so we know what we would be getting. At least in XR you'd think he has some to develop at both ends as a swingman or focusing him into one role. I think he'd be worth a punt at the expense of Prudden, and if Prudden needs to be kept at all (no for me), he'll still be there at pick 36 in the rookie draft and upgradable if form warrants.

[LostDoggy]

Strange with Richards - it was reported only yesterday that he was likely to re-sign with the Swans.

So there are a few confirmed delisted free agents and some others out of contract that could find themselves delisted in the next few days that we could possibly look at for KPD depth. Off the top of my head:

Xavier Richards
Alex Silvagni
Joel Tippett
Mitch Brown (not confirmed)
Cam O'Shea (not confirmed)

Any others?
Jack Grimes

[Axe Man]

Jack Grimes

No way he is key position.

[Twodogs]

No way he is key position.

Half his problem is the fact that they try and force him to play in key positions.

[Axe Man]

Another KPD delisted in Spangher, although I doubt he would attract any interest, far too injury prone. Jack Fitzpatrick a possibility for ruck depth? Litherland as a slightly undersized KPD?


The Hawks have delisted Matt Spangher, Jack Fitzpatrick, Angus Litherland and Zac Webster off their main list.

Lachlan Langford, Shem Tatupu, Alex Woodward and Jermaine Miller-Lewis also make way off the rookie list.

[GVGjr]

Another KPD delisted in Spangher, although I doubt he would attract any interest, far too injury prone. Jack Fitzpatrick a possibility for ruck depth? Litherland as a slightly undersized KPD?

I doubt we would have any interest even with Bevo knowing them.

[bulldogtragic]

I doubt we would have any interest even with Bevo knowing them.

Fitzpatrick as a rookie would give us some ruck depth at a minimum. He's about the level of a decent state league ruckman.

[GVGjr]

Fitzpatrick as a rookie would give us some ruck depth at a minimum. He's about the level of a decent state league ruckman.

Probably a decent rookie option. Pardon the pun but he is a Jack of all trades type.

[G-Mo77]

Prudden has just been delisted so we're probably going to dip or toes in the DFA pool.

[GVGjr]

Prudden has just been delisted so we're probably going to dip or toes in the DFA pool.

Perhaps. I'd hope so.

[G-Mo77]

Perhaps. I'd hope so.

Who are your eyes on GVGJr?

[GVGjr]

Who are your eyes on GVGJr?

I'd be keen on having a talk to a few players, Richards would certainly be worth having a chat to. I think there will be a few more announcements by other clubs today so lets wait a bit longer.

[Twodogs]

Let's get Jack Fitzpatrick. My long term bias aside he'd be good ruck cover for us.

[Sedat]

Spangher would be the ideal "in case of emergency break glass" rookie - he can play down back and is very adept at zone defence. He can also pinch hit up forward. I've seen nothing from X Richards or Litherland to be convinced at all on either of them at senior AFL level, but Spang is clearly good enough at the level.

Fitzpatrick is not much chop at all to be honest - he's just not up to AFL level IMO. I'd look elsewhere for a back-up ruckman.

[comrade]

Spangher would be the ideal "in case of emergency break glass" rookie - he can play down back and is very adept at zone defence. He can also pinch hit up forward. I've seen nothing from X Richards or Litherland to be convinced at all on either of them at senior AFL level, but Spang is clearly good enough at the level.

Fitzpatrick is not much chop at all to be honest - he's just not up to AFL level IMO. I'd look elsewhere for a back-up ruckman.

There are 3 certainties in life: Death, taxes and Sedat spruiking for Spangher :D

[bulldogtragic]

If the DFA selection is a KPP, and we are not known for selecting ruckmen in the ND, and Prudden getting rookie listed, then we have only pick 18 in the rookie draft to get a back up ruckman. Not much wiggle room to find a back up ruckman.

[GVGjr]

A few players to consider:

Xavier Richards: Tall, mobile and versatile. Could be used as a tall defender as we wait for more continue the development of Cordy and Collins as key defenders and a potential loss of Marcus Adams at the end of 2017.

Angus Litherland: Long kick plus quick and mobile defender. At 192cm and given his light frame he is just a bit short to be used as a key defender.

Michael Barlow: Quality player. He was used poorly by Fremantle this year and I think he could offer some coverage for the players we lost in Stevens, Hrovat and having Mitch Wallis on the LTIL.

Alex Silvagni: Steady defender who performed well late in the season against some quality opposition.

A few others to consider as well:

[GVGjr]

I'd have no problems if we look at adding one of Barlow, Richards or Silvagni. They could play a role with us next year or two.

[chef]

O'Shea from Port delisted. Would be a handy pick up and could play the Hamling role.

[GVGjr]

A few players to consider:

Xavier Richards: Tall, mobile and versatile. Could be used as a tall defender as we wait for more continue the development of Cordy and Collins as key defenders and a potential loss of Marcus Adams at the end of 2017.

Angus Litherland: Long kick plus quick and mobile defender. At 192cm and given his light frame he is just a bit short to be used as a key defender.

Michael Barlow: Quality player. He was used poorly by Fremantle this year and I think he could offer some coverage for the players we lost in Stevens, Hrovat and having Mitch Wallis on the LTIL.

Alex Silvagni: Steady defender who performed well late in the season against some quality opposition.

A few others to consider as well:

Does any of the players above appeal as a delisted FA? I could easily find a spot for one of Barlow, Silvagni or Richards. Litherland would be harder to squeeze in.

[chef]

Does any of the players above appeal as a delisted FA? I could easily find a spot for one of Barlow, Silvagni or Richards. Litherland would be harder to squeeze in.

Silvagni or O'shea have some real appeal for me. They play roles where we need strengthening.

Hope we stay clear of Richards, dont see the appeal of him.

[GVGjr]

Silvagni or O'shea have some real appeal for me. They play roles where we need strengthening.

Hope we stay clear of Richards, dont see the appeal of him.

What about Barlow?

[comrade]

What about Barlow?

He'd struggle to crack our midfield but perhaps he'd be able to play the Matty Boyd role in defence?

[bulldogtragic]

O'Shea officially delisted, ergo, a he's status is delisted free agent now.

So tall defenders available for free now are Xavier Richards, Cameron, Everitt, Lee, Schade, Litherland, O'Shea, J. Tippett, Spangher, Silvagni (not the GWS lite version) & Mitch Brown.

[bulldogtragic]

Rucks: Fitzpatrick, McBean, Brooksby

[The Doctor]

Why would we clear out Stevens only to bring in Barlow? I'd rather get another young gun.

I don't see any great appeal in any of these delisted players. In a way we are already committed to a delisted player in Prudden so that only leaves us with 5 picks (4 in the ND + 1 rookie).

[Rocco Jones]

Why would we clear out Stevens only to bring in Barlow? I'd rather get another young gun.


The difference is Stevens wanted to leave.

[GVGjr]

Why would we clear out Stevens only to bring in Barlow? I'd rather get another young gun.



As Rocco said, we eased Stevens out who wanted better opportunities than we could offer. Barlow is looking to extend his run in the AFL. Age shouldn't really be a consideration as we can still draft the players we would as the best available with our first 3 selections.

Given that we won't have Stevens, Hrovat and Wallis until at least mid season our midfield depth isn't the same as last year and I believe that Barlow is still an very good player. If we are looking to back up our success last year then Barlow adds to that effort.



I don't see any great appeal in any of these delisted players. In a way we are already committed to a delisted player in Prudden so that only leaves us with 5 picks (4 in the ND + 1 rookie).

The problem is that we don't have the same flexibility as last year given we also have Wallis and Redpath as long term injuries.
Our last pick in this years is unlikely to add too much in the short term and if we take a player via the DFA, they can start training with us straight away.

I get where you are coming from but I see it differently.

[boydogs]

I reckon if Prudden hadn't done his knee he would be out, we're just looking after him. Would've rookied Barlow into the Lower/Goodes/Adcock role if not for that

[Rocco Jones]

We are well and truly in premiership contention. If we can improve our chances, even if ever so slightly, at a small cost (late pick, DFA or rookie draft), we would be mad not to.

Our list is young and not only haven't we traded our our draft picks, we have upgraded them.

[The Doctor]

As Rocco said, we eased Stevens out who wanted better opportunities than we could offer. Barlow is looking to extend his run in the AFL. Age shouldn't really be a consideration as we can still draft the players we would as the best available with our first 3 selections.


I would much rather we give games to Williams, Webb, Smith and Dale than guys like Barlow. these guys have fresh legs and all were superb in the VFL finals. They have put their hands up and are ready to play seniors. They deserve a go ahead of recycled players from other clubs in my view. We also have Jong and Suckling to throw into the mix.

I'm not against bringing in recycled's, asI've been an advocate for bringing in Jordan Russell, it's just I don't think what is on offer is all that good.

[chef]

What about Barlow?

Hes a good player, but not sure we have a list spot for him. I guess it depends on what we are looking at doing with that pick 75, do we use it on a kid or on a DFA.

I'd prefer to target a tall defender if we are going down the DFA path. Barlow is a type we have a fair few of.

I'd happily take him as a rookie though.

[GVGjr]

We are well and truly in premiership contention. If we can improve our chances, even if ever so slightly, at a small cost (late pick, DFA or rookie draft), we would be mad not to.

Our list is young and not only haven't we traded our our draft picks, we have upgraded them.

Exactly. It's not like a few years back where we traded for a lot of experienced players because we were close. When I think about the lack of development in the younger players then and compared it to now and what we are suggesting it's a chalk and cheese comparison that doesn't compromise the development of players.

[GVGjr]

Hes a good player, but not sure we have a list spot for him. I guess it depends on what we are looking at doing with that pick 75, do we use it on a kid or on a DFA.

I'd prefer to target a tall defender if we are going down the DFA path. Barlow is a type we have a fair few of.

I'd happily take him as a rookie though.

To me he's way too good to be a rookie, he's not the type you can be half in with.

With Wallis out for a while to come plus losing some depth in Stevens and Hrovat I think we could easily find a spot for someone who is capable of getting 30 possessions.

Tend to agree that a tall defender addresses a gap in our list better but if we really did chase Deledio hard before he chose GWS as a few articles are suggesting Barlow might bridge some of that.

[chef]

To me he's way too good to be a rookie, he's not the type you can be half in with.

With Wallis out for a while to come plus losing some depth in Stevens and Hrovat I think we could easily find a spot for someone who is capable of getting 30 possessions.

Tend to agree that a tall defender addresses a gap in our list better but if we really did chase Deledio hard before he chose GWS as a few articles are suggesting Barlow might bridge some of that.

Yeah, I agree hes probably too good to be a rookie and surely someone will offer him a spot on their list.

[Rocco Jones]

We have strong systems in place and they will be massive in selecting recycled Moneyball types.

Mids with quick hands and strong work rates will fit right into side and our style will help them in turn. Defenders who fit a team defence style are the same.

[comrade]

We have strong systems in place and they will be massive in selecting recycled Moneyball types.

Mids with quick hands and strong work rates will fit right into side and our style will help them in turn. Defenders who fit a team defence style are the same.

I'm confident you could throw just about any 190cm+ defender with a modicum of talent into our defensive set up and they'd go better than ok. I mean, Hamling and Roberts are premiership key defenders!

I'm keen on either O'Shea or Litherland. Barlow not so much because whilst he's a good solid AFL quality player, he doesn't suit a positional need as much as the other two.

[Rocco Jones]

I'm confident you could throw just about any 190cm+ defender with a modicum of talent into our defensive set up and they'd go better than ok. I mean, Hamling and Roberts are premiership key defenders!

I'm keen on either O'Shea or Litherland. Barlow not so much because whilst he's a good solid AFL quality player, he doesn't suit a positional need as much as the other two.

As long as the defenders are mobile/smart enough to play as part of a team defence. Really style doesn''t really suit the old school one on one types like Nathan Brown but yes, our set up does make the right type look a lot better than they are.

[Axe Man]

Worth a look? Delisted free agents most likely to find new homes (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-31/worth-a-look-delisted-free-agents-most-likely-to-find-new-homes)

A HOST of experienced AFL players will be hoping for a football lifeline when the delisted free agency period opens on Tuesday.

Axed Fremantle midfielder Michael Barlow heads the list of hopefuls, with the 29-year-old ball magnet appearing the most likely to find a new home.

Bombers top-up players James Kelly and Matt Dea are set to return to the club in 2017, while dangerous ex-Brisbane Lions small forward Josh Green has also been linked to Tullamarine.

Will Minson, Drew Petrie, Andrejs Everitt, Jack Grimes, Alex Silvagni and Xavier Richards are just some of the other names in this year's delisted free agency pool, which AFL.com.au has assessed to determine who might receive another chance.

MICHAEL BARLOW, aged 29
Fremantle (126 games, 81 goals)
The ball magnet's fine career could continue at a club looking to add experienced, reliable depth to its midfield. Popular, professional and a workhorse, he is smart enough to overcome any lack of leg speed. Too good not to play somewhere in 2017 as he can compete with the game's best midfielders, having polled 48 Brownlow votes in his career. Adelaide has been linked with him but more than one club is interested.

MATT DE BOER, 26
Fremantle (138 games, 48 goals)
Tough pressure forward instrumental in Peel Thunder's premiership is a leader on and off the field. If he decides to go on he would fit nicely into several line-ups, particularly ones such as Gold Coast looking for hard bodies at ground level.

MATT DEA, 25
Richmond (31 games, one goal), Essendon (21 games, 0 goals)
Likely to stay with Essendon after reviving his career when the Bombers needed to replace its suspended dozen. The tough ex-Richmond defender performed well in 2016.

ANDREJS EVERITT, 27
Western Bulldogs (36 games, eight goals), Sydney Swans (43 games, 24 goals), Carlton (52 games, 61 goals)
Expect several clubs to be interested in Everitt, who is now searching for his fourth AFL home. He has played at least 11 senior games in each of the past seven seasons and is a good hit-up forward.

JACK FITZPATRICK, 25
Melbourne (22 games, 24 goals), Hawthorn (three games, three goals)
The 200cm big man proved late in the year he can come in and play a role as a forward-ruck, famously booting the round 23 match-winner which sealed Hawthorn's top-four spot. Fitzpatrick has made way after the Hawks upgraded to Ty Vickery but with big men in demand, he might get another chance, maybe even back at Waverley.

JOSH GREEN, 24
Brisbane Lions (81 games, 107 goals)
Feeling like he might need a fresh start, he held off on accepting a contract offer early in the year and is now one of the best-credentialled delisted free agents available. The small forward, who has been linked to Essendon, kicked at least 24 goals three seasons in a row before dropping off this season due to a foot injury that hampered his pre-season.

JACK GRIMES, 27
Melbourne (100 games, 11 goals)
The former co-captain could not win a permanent spot in the emerging young Demons as they looked to foster young talent. A fresh start could do wonders and, at worst, a club would get a team-first warrior.

JAMES KELLY, 32
Geelong (273 games, 88 goals), Essendon (20 games, two goals)
Looks set to continue with Essendon after an excellent season on and off the field when added to the list to replace the suspended Bombers. Finished second in the club best and fairest, and John Worsfold wants him to stay on during the club's transition year.

ANGUS LITHERLAND, 24
Hawthorn, (25 games, one goal)
Found it tough to break into the Hawks' defence during their premiership years and then failed to take the opportunity early this season. A good defender, he has been in a strong environment but has not been linked with another club as yet.

BRAD McKENZIE, 23
North Melbourne (37 games, six goals)
Uses the ball well and was a high draft pick (No.18 in 2011) but he never cemented a spot at North Melbourne despite playing senior football in each of the past five seasons. He could provide a club with depth across half-back and the wing.

WILL MINSON, 31
Western Bulldogs (191 games, 81 goals)
Big-bodied ruckman who was All Australian in 2013 may attract attention from a club such as Collingwood, which will want to give Brodie Grundy and Mason Cox some back-up, having lost Jarrod Witts, Darrean Wyatt and Corey Gault.

CAM O'SHEA, 24
Port Adelaide (81 games, seven goals)
On the lookout for a new club after being let go on Sunday. The former Power defender was on the fringes of Port's best 22, but can go through the midfield and, standing at 193cm, has the height to offer something to a club needing hardened backmen.

CLANCEE PEARCE, 26
Fremantle (100 games, 36 goals)
Rugged on-baller worked hard to reach 100 games but he can play. He has strength and the discipline to stick to his task.

DREW PETRIE, 34
North Melbourne (316 games, 428 goals)
Despite securing Nathan Vardy in the NAB AFL Trade Period, the Eagles haven't ruled out recruiting Petrie to add more depth in the big-man department in the wake of knee injuries to Nic Naitanui and Scott Lycett. Has strong ties with West Coast coach Adam Simpson.

XAVIER RICHARDS, 23
Sydney Swans (12 games, 13 goals)
Made a shock request for a trade back to Victoria late in the trade period after playing in Sydney's Grand Final and receiving a contract offer, but attracted little interest and was subsequently delisted. Carlton may look to add some forward presence.

ALEX SILVAGNI, 29
Fremantle (53 games, 10 goals)
Solid defender who finished the season in outstanding form although it went unnoticed. Collingwood had interest during the trade period before it recruited Melbourne's Lynden Dunn. Silvagni will still be considered as a delisted free agent.

JASON TUTT, 25
Western Bulldogs (26 games, 22 goals), Carlton (14 games, five goals)
Stuck between VFL and AFL in terms of talent, but he could find a rookie spot at a club looking to bring in a seasoned player.

JOSH WATTS, 20
Brisbane Lions (0 games, 0 goals)
Did not get a run with the Lions due to a groin injury that never came right but he is expected to overcome that injury and could be worth another chance.

ALEX WOODWARD, 23
Hawthorn (two games, 0 goals)
Hasn't had a fair run at making it as an AFL player after three knee reconstructions in four years. Woodward's talent and toughness is undeniable, and the 2014 Liston Trophy winner in the VFL should be in the mix to find another home. The Brisbane Lions' recently appointed coach, Chris Fagan, is a fan of the midfielder, who also skippered the Sandringham Dragons to the TAC Cup flag in 2011 under new Lions assistant Dale Tapping.

Yet to be signed but not delisted
Ricky Henderson (Adelaide)
Kaiden Brand (Hawthorn)
Jake Barrett (Greater Western Sydney)
Tom Lonergan (Geelong)
Jarryd Blair (Collingwood)
Josh Cowan (Geelong)
Tom Downie (GWS)
Harry Dear (Adelaide)
Zac Clarke (Fremantle)
Mitch Brown (West Coast)

[bulldogtragic]

If Jason Tutt gets another chance this industry is dumb.

Watching the Grand Final again, for the 11th time, Richards looks like a decent work in progress. Tall, agile, decent mark, tidy kick. But I think he needs to find a spot and develop in it and a role. Sydney have thrown him around a bit, but he was still in the minor premiers best 22 come Grand Final day.

[bulldogtragic]

Ricky Henderson is now a delisted free agent as of today.

[jazzadogs]

I think we should absolutely sign a DFA. One year contract for a defender, attack an upgraded version in FA/trade next year if available and keep the DFA if they've shown the form.

Litherland appeals solely due to his exposure to Hawthorn's defensive structure, but I know little else about him.

Richards didn't impress me in the GF but im not going to judge him of that one game.

I'd be confident they will offer more than pick 75 in 2017, and an extra 24-28 year old is actually pretty good for our team balance.

[Doc26]

I would much rather we give games to Williams, Webb, Smith and Dale than guys like Barlow. these guys have fresh legs and all were superb in the VFL finals. They have put their hands up and are ready to play seniors. They deserve a go ahead of recycled players from other clubs in my view. We also have Jong and Sutcliffe to throw into the mix.

I'm not against bringing in recycled's, asI've been an advocate for bringing in Jordan Russell, it's just I don't think what is on offer is all that good.

Doc, who is this Sutcliffe ?

[The Doctor]

Doc, who is this Sutcliffe ?

Oh God, brain fade!

[hujsh]

Oh God, brain fade!

It's spelled Brian fade

[Scraggers]

How does the DFA process work? Do we just make an offer to a player and forego a late pick?

[bulldogtragic]

How does the DFA process work? Do we just make an offer to a player and forego a late pick?

Yep. Bingo.

[Scraggers]

Yep. Bingo.

The player then chooses to accept this offer or decline and wait for a better offer? Seems convoluted. Is there any order, rhyme or reason to the selections? i.e. Do Essendon get first selection and we get last or is it first come, first served?

[GVGjr]

The player then chooses to accept this offer or decline and wait for a better offer? Seems convoluted. Is there any order, rhyme or reason to the selections? i.e. Do Essendon get first selection and we get last or is it first come, first served?


I believe that once a DFA and a club agree to terms then the player can join the club for a back ended draft pick providing the team still maintains 3 National draft selections. In our example a DFA could be signed for pick 70 leaving us picks 18, 26 and 50 at the National draft.

[bulldogtragic]

The player then chooses to accept this offer or decline and wait for a better offer? Seems convoluted. Is there any order, rhyme or reason to the selections? i.e. Do Essendon get first selection and we get last or is it first come, first served?


I believe that once a DFA and a club agree to terms then the player can join the club for a back ended draft pick providing the team still maintains 3 National draft selections. In our example a DFA could be signed for pick 70 leaving us picks 18, 26 and 50 at the National draft.

Yep that's my understanding too. It's not so much contrived/convoluted as all other 17 clubs can pitch to the player in an open marketplace and most delisted fee agents will not be selected in any event. But more will make it to a new home (especially the home of their choosing) than through the old PSD system. In our case this year it's pick 70 or a DFA of a player who agrees to come to us.

[jazzadogs]

I believe that once a DFA and a club agree to terms then the player can join the club for a back ended draft pick providing the team still maintains 3 National draft selections. In our example a DFA could be signed for pick 70 leaving us picks 18, 26 and 50 at the National draft.

Essentially right, except there is no draft pick allocated to the player. They are essentially a free agent in the same way that Daniel Wells was a free agent this year - the club taking him only gives up salary and a list space - but with the difference being their previous club has no right to the player, nor receives compensation.

We don't 'use' a draft pick on them, but forego our last pick because we have filled the spot already.

[bulldogtragic]

TALENTED young Greater Western Sydney onballer Jake Barrett is available as a free agent after being delisted by the Giants.

However the 20-year-old, who played in the club's' NEAFL premiership this season, is likely to be re-drafted as a rookie by the Giants if another team doesn't come knocking.

The cousin of Hawthorn star Luke Breust has been a consistent performer in the NEAFL, winning the inside ball and contested possessions, but he has not been able to break into the star-studded Giants midfield.

Barrett played has one AFL game, in the final round of 2015, where he came on as a substitute and picked up seven disposals, and played in the NAB Challenge series in the past two seasons.

The Temora product has played for three seasons at that level after the Giants added him to their list as a NSW-ACT priority selection in 2013.

With a rugby league background, Barrett is a strong tackler and is still held in high esteem at the Giants, who have to cut back their list as part of their establishment rules.

The delisted free agency period opened for a week on Tuesday with the first period ending on November 8.

[comrade]

Lucky Luke Breust's cousin was uncovered by the GWS Academy. How would he have ever found AFL?

[Topdog]

We are well and truly in premiership contention.

In contention? We are reigning premiers!;)

[Mofra]

Do we not have an issue with being a bit short on key position defenders or a support ruckman? Did we not lose some depth with the loss of Hamling, Stevens and Hrovat which of course we now have Cloke in the positive column?

I look at our playing list and see opportunities to improve and I don't buy that it's not required.
You missed the bit where I said O'Shea is fine?

[Twodogs]

Lucky Luke Breust's cousin was uncovered by the GWS Academy. How would he have ever found AFL?

Yep. That's a huge piece of luck.

[Axe Man]

Ricky Henderson expected to join the hawks.

Michael Barlow has met with the Suns.

Xavier Richards and Josh Green have met with Essendon.

Overall very little action with the delisted free agents. Looking like most will have to wait until the rookie draft to see if they will get another chance.

[bulldogtragic]

Ricky Henderson expected to join the hawks.

Michael Barlow has met with the Suns.

Xavier Richards and Josh Green have met with Essendon.

Overall very little action with the delisted free agents. Looking like most will have to wait until the rookie draft to see if they will get another chance.

It seems the clubs (for the most part) are 'waging the dog' by almost all universally holding off on DFAs thereby forcing them into the rookie draft and using the rookie draft as not only an exercise of selecting raw kids, but getting ready made depth on the cheap and off the primary list. It seems to be artificially changing the value down on these guys which is good for clubs.

[Axe Man]

It seems the clubs (for the most part) are 'waging the dog' by almost all universally holding off on DFAs thereby forcing them into the rookie draft and using the rookie draft as not only an exercise of selecting raw kids, but getting ready made depth on the cheap and off the primary list. It seems to be artificially changing the value down on these guys which is good for clubs.

Probably part of the reason 2017 will likely be the last year for the rookie list.

[Mofra]

Henry Schade delisted, we were interested in him 2 years ago.

[soupman]

Henry Schade delisted, we were interested in him 2 years ago.

Interesting.

Good height (196cm) although if his weight as per Wikipedia is correct he's a little light at 81kg.

20 games, including 5 this year where he averaged 13 disposals.

Would fill a need nicely and would be ready to go filling the spot left by Hamling.

[Greystache]

Henry Schade delisted, we were interested in him 2 years ago.

A classic Scott Clayton key position player

Tall
Skinny
Shit
Delisted

Pretty much just more skinny flankers who are taller. Never change Scotty

[Twodogs]

A classic Scott Clayton key position player

Tall
Skinny
Shit
Delisted

Pretty much just more skinny flankers who are taller. Never change Scotty


Yeah I remember his name from his draft year but those height and weight dimensions are out of whack. Especially after two years on a list.

[Axe Man]

Interesting.

Good height (196cm) although if his weight as per Wikipedia is correct he's a little light at 81kg.

20 games, including 5 this year where he averaged 13 disposals.

Would fill a need nicely and would be ready to go filling the spot left by Hamling.

He is 197cm and 89kgs according to the Suns website.

Gold Coast has committed to rookie listing him if he's not signed as a DFA.

[bulldogtragic]

Essendon cut ruckman McKernan, but will take him in the rookie draft, presumably second round or after. Unless another club nabs him in the first round of the rookie draft as there's surely no way he makes it to a primary list anywhere.

[GVGjr]

Essendon cut ruckman McKernan, but will take him in the rookie draft, presumably second round or after. Unless another club nabs him in the first round of the rookie draft as there's surely no way he makes it to a primary list anywhere.

He's been in the system a fair while and hasn't made it however, for a 1 year life line to provide a club a back-up ruckman he might find someone interested.

[bulldogtragic]

I know many people have blind faith in the club's recruiting but I think we dodged a bullet there. Can you imagine giving up even a pick in the top 30 now for Lobbe let alone a 1st round pick that was touted last year?

Now delisted by Carlton. Dunkley heading into his second finals series in two years with a career best year with internal and external recognition. No thinking left about the dodged bullet.