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bornadog
25-05-2017, 02:19 PM
link (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-afls-most-indemand-free-agents-and-uncontracted-stars-of-2017/news-story/0093a0181a6085af698852f0c1ae6aca)

AFL’s MOST WANTED - (JJ is included in list)
The stars at the top of the 2017 trade list


1 JOSH KELLY, 22 (GWS) — UNCONTRACTED


North Melbourne has filled up the back of a truck with bags of money and plonked them on the smooth-moving midfielder’s doorstep. The nine-year, $9 million offer is probably the third biggest in the game’s history. And if you have watched him carve up the midfield over the past month, you know he’s worth it. Remarkably, he could stay at Greater Western Sydney for the next two years, try and win a flag in that time, then be worth even more with a premiership on his resume. St Kilda equally keen.


2 NAT FYFE, 25 (Frem) — FREE AGENT


Things sat awkwardly over summer after the Brownlow Medallist said he would have to consider all options. It was like dangling a chip in front of a bunch of hungry seagulls for Victorian clubs. But the noises about Fyfe’s supposed discontent have fallen silent over the past month with Fremantle’s surge up the ladder helping tick off on one of his key criteria. The money will be there for him at Fremantle, who would match any restricted free agency offer, then force a Patrick-Dangerfield-style trade, asking for something in the vicinity of two first-round draft picks.


3 DUSTIN MARTIN, 25 (Rich) — FREE AGENT


Martin’s situation seems centred around a decent pay cheque. He loves the environment at Richmond, has a great relationship with the coach, and has appreciated their protection and support through some tricky times. His father’s deportation to NZ is the latest hurdle, for example. But Martin’s management are chasing the best deal, which has attracted a $1 million-a-year offer from North Melbourne. Good on the Roos for being aggressive, because Martin’s best form in the forward half of the ground is unstoppable. He will put bums on seats, too. For Richmond the equation is simple. Pay the man seven figures and he will re-sign.

4 STEVEN MAY, 25 (GC) — UNCONTRACTED


We shouldn’t be surprised that Hawthorn has strong interest in this A-Grade key defender. With Josh Gibson in the twilight of his career, the Gold Coast Suns’ stopper would be a perfect replacement. But grab a box of popcorn and let’s wait to see how the Hawks could possibly do a satisfactory trade deal given they have already sacrificed so much already to land Jaeger O’Meara and Tom Mitchell. Their top pick this year — a second-rounder — is not going to cut it and we saw last year that there was not one single Hawthorn player willing to make the trade move north.


5 SAM REID, 25 (Syd) — UNCONTRACTED


Reid is in career-best form and could be forced to take a pay cut to stay in the Harbour City. No doubt he has been well-paid over the past few seasons which have been marred by injury. Should Reid feel like he owes the Swans? Not in this day and age. He has produced career-best form this season and is attracting significant interest from Richmond and Collingwood. His Magpie brother, Ben, said he’s going to get in Sam’s ear about coming to the Holden Centre because he would be perfect at centre half-forward. An offer in the vicinity of $600,000-$700,000 should get him over the line if his best deal at Sydney starts with a four.


6 JOSH SCHACHE, 19 (Bris) — UNCONTRACTED


In contrast to Kelly and Reid, Schache’s form has plummeted to the point where he struggled to get a kick in the reserves last weekend. Oh boy. The No. 2 pick has attracted strong interest from almost every Victorian club but the Tigers are the frontrunner, clearly. Schache was tight with ex-Brisbane coach Justin Leppitsch, who is now at Punt Rd and the Seymour boy has now returned to Victoria to consider his future after being given two weeks off by the Lions.


7 JACKSON TRENGOVE, 26 (PA) — FREE AGENT


Trengove is the dark horse because his stocks have definitely gone up this season. The versatile big man is playing ruck-key forward and helping provide a quality foil for Paddy Ryder and Charlie Dixon. If you ask any recruiter what they’re always chasing it’s a big man who can play dual roles and hit the scoreboard. Trengove is off-Broadway a little, but expect his name to continue to bob up at the back end of the year. Port won’t pay overs and that leaves Trengove open to a move back home to Victoria.


8 LACHIE WHITFIELD, 22 (GWS) — CONTRACTED


Whitfield is contracted for another year, which is going to make any trade in 2017 extremely difficult if not near-on impossible. But the Saints have been massive fans of this pinpoint wingman for years and if they miss out on Kelly and Dusty, you know where their attention will turn. Importantly, they have the salary cap space and two first-round draft picks (thanks Hawthorn) to satisfy the Giants. Whitfield has endured a tough time during his drugs ban in recent months and it has given him time to think about his future. He’s crucial to the Giants’ plans, and will no doubt feel better about things if he’s playing well and GWS makes a deep run into September.


9 DEVON SMITH, 24 (GWS) — UNCONTRACTED


The third Giant on this list has been hard-hit by injury, with the latest knee blow at training set to sideline the dangerous goalkicker for another three two or three months. Usually, that puts contract talks on hold. At his best, Smith is a lethal small forward-midfielder who can turn games with his goal nous and prolific ball-winning. Geelong has kept a close eye on Smith since his junior days in the Geelong Falcons and Richmond have also circled, but his footy probably hasn’t hit the heights we all expected because of those injuries. GWS desperate to keep him.



10 ZAK JONES, 22 (Syd) — UNCONTRACTED


The Swans are in a pickle. With the club feeling the pinch in the salary cap, the Swans may only be able to afford to keep one of either Sam Reid and Jones. No doubt, Jones will be their priority, as part of plans to replenish an ageing midfield. Jones has many admirers at Melbourne, St Kilda and North Melbourne, but the Demons are clearly in the box seat given his brother, Nathan, is co-captain and wants him in red and blue. The hard-nut midfielder has enjoyed a break out year.


11 MITCH McGOVERN, 22 (Adel) — UNCONTRACTED


The two Western Australian teams are sniffing around McGovern, who clunks the ball like his older brother Jeremy. Taken with pick No.43, he is another gem of late selection from Crows’ ace recruiter Hamish Ogilvie. At 191cm, the 22-year-old may be worth a first-round draft pick at the trade table.


12 JASON JOHANNISEN, 24 (WB) — UNCONTRACTED


The Dogs were a bit surprised by the price tag in the early part of the negotiations but you have to be impressed by the speedster’s form line over the first 10 rounds. He has been one of the Dogs’ best three players so far this season. He is a matchwinner whose blistering pace and dare can cut apart an opposition defences but the Dogs will pay closer to $500,000 than $700,000 a year. Norm Smith Medal would have done plenty for the confidence.


13 GARY ABLETT, 33 (GC) — CONTRACTED


After a slow start, the brilliant midfielder is now fifth favourite to win a third Brownlow Medal. We all know what’s going to happen here. Ablett will make the move back to Geelong at the end of the season in return for a third-round draft pick (or thereabouts) or a younger player. Otherwise, Ablett will consider the prospect of retiring, and the Suns will lose him anyway. Gold Coast is snookered on this one. Ablett is bound to spend the next two seasons kicking snags in the blue and white hoops. Could win a Coleman Medal if he plays largely forward.

14 TOM ROCKLIFF, 27 (Bris) — FREE AGENT


The ball magnet has bounced back from the most challenging year of his career, leading the AFL for clearances up until last round. Senior coach Chris Fagan has lauded his leadership and impact off the field but he is unlikely to decide his future until the back half of the season. Collingwood was the only club interested last season, but his stocks have risen sharply. He wants to play finals and that’s unlikely to happen at Brisbane in the next two seasons. Is he a back-up option to Fyfe?


15 DAVID ZAHARAKIS, 27 (Ess) — FREE AGENT


His performance has ebbed and flowed this year and rival clubs are doing their homework now to find out whether he is worth going hard for. At his best, Zarahakis can be a damaging and prolific ballwinner who kicks goals. We saw that in 2011 when he won a best and fairest. But his form was patchy before strong back-to-back 30-possesion games against Geelong and West Coast in the past fortnight.


16 STEVEN MOTLOP, 26 (Gee) — FREE AGENT


One of the biggest headscratchers in the player talent pool this year. Two years ago his slingshot run and carry from the midfield was one of the most exhilarating weapons in footy, but he had a shocking finals series last year and the Cats tried to trade him, without success. Might be one of the most hot and cold players in the league. Rival clubs watching him closely are still confused. Maybe a club such as Port Adelaide would like his speed, given the links to coach Ken Hinkley.


17 JASPER PITTARD, 26 (PA) — FREE AGENT


Dashing defender takes the game on and wins high possession numbers from halfback. Those sorts of game-breaking backmen always appeal. But the mail out of Adelaide is he is happy to stay and a fresh deal might not be far away.

bulldogtragic
25-05-2017, 02:27 PM
I'm surprised we are not linked to anyone at another club on this list.

Obviously May & Trengrove (FA) for KPD.
Kelly, Rockliff (FA) (if he's pulled his head in) for mids.
Ablett (assuming rumours are true), Smith, Schache if Crameri & Cloke will be cooked by the end of next year.

Twodogs
25-05-2017, 02:47 PM
I'm surprised we are not linked to anyone at another club on this list.

Obviously May & Trengrove (FA) for KPD.
Kelly, Rockliff (FA) (if he's pulled his head in) for mids.
Ablett (assuming rumours are true), Smith, Schache if Crameri & Cloke will be cooked by the end of next year.


Don't be. We don't negotiate through the media.

bulldogtragic
25-05-2017, 02:57 PM
Don't be. We don't negotiate through the media.

Not saying we do, I'm saying the media don't think we are lining up one or more of a list of 16 other players. Which is surprising, because I'd think we absolutely are. Perhaps they're not listening to our club's public comments, not least of which Dalrymple last who who said outright we have salary cap and the willingness to address specific needs, through trade.

Example, they link Hawthorn to May and then point out they won't get a trade done...

DOG GOD
25-05-2017, 03:31 PM
I think we need to make a big play for May, followed by kelly if that fell thru.. We don't seem to have the confidence in Adams/Roberts as our main KPD, so May makes perfect sense to go after.

Kelly would compliment our midfield brilliantly with his exceptional kicking skills and ability to find the ball.

Hopefully we are planning something with those 2.

soupman
25-05-2017, 03:39 PM
If JJ looks like leaving I would like Zak Jones in. Big fan

Topdog
25-05-2017, 04:21 PM
I strongly disagree that JJ has been in our top 3 this season.

Remi Moses
25-05-2017, 05:02 PM
Gosh loads of talent there . May for me would be number 1. Like a crack at Lever also

The Bulldogs Bite
25-05-2017, 06:37 PM
Yes to most of that list.

May is an obvious one. Ditto Kelly.

Zak Jones a big yes - I'd love to get him. Reid is a maybe.

I could see some appeal with Motlop too.

1eyedog
25-05-2017, 07:04 PM
Jones is a type we don't need. Dashing player but we have those and just shored up another in Williams for two years. We'd pay over for him as there will be other bidders and I'd rather splash the cash elsewhere. Steven may is an obvious one but I'm not convinced he can be pried loose. They'll pay through their teeth to keep him though. Ablett in a forward pocket would be a luxury as would Kelly in the middle. Our target should be Devon Smith out of that lot. Absolute gun and at his lowest value because of injuries. He's a star and a type we need.

Happy Days
25-05-2017, 07:07 PM
Lever would be absolutely awesome and is eminently more gettable than May, both in terms of cost and likelihood. Him and McGovern being available at the same time must be a headache for the Crows.

Sedat
26-05-2017, 12:00 AM
Why hasn't the Essendon sponsor included Joe Daniher on this list?

jeemak
27-05-2017, 04:13 AM
Agree completely with 1ED, we should be targeting Devon Smith.

I want Kelly just as much as anyone, but he'll be too expensive irrespective of the cleanliness he'll bring to our midfield.

Our real need however is polish forward of centre. Smith if he can get his body right will bring that. I'd love to have him and McLean as our two clean use guns running high and low over the ground.

LostDoggy
27-05-2017, 02:05 PM
I'd really like Trengrove. A versatile, quality big man of reportedly outstanding character is always extremely valuable. He would supplement our list beautifully and would work well in a Bevo team as a mobile and versatile option.

Doc26
27-05-2017, 06:12 PM
I'd really like Trengrove. A versatile, quality big man of reportedly outstanding character is always extremely valuable. He would supplement our list beautifully and would work well in a Bevo team as a mobile and versatile option.

This would be my target for the points you've mentioned but also due to the risk of Adams moving home, Morris retiring, Collins on a slow cooker and having already lost Hamling leaves us vulnerable down back.

If we were heavily into Hurley last trade period we must surely be into someone like Jackson, particularly with what he would bring in leadership and versatility.

bulldogtragic
28-05-2017, 07:01 PM
I'd add Lachie Hansen to that list. If we can't get Trengrove or McKenzie, he's a flexible tall defender who can pinch hit forward too.

lemmon
28-05-2017, 07:41 PM
I'd add Lachie Hansen to that list. If we can't get Trengrove or McKenzie, he's a flexible tall defender who can pinch hit forward too.

I like him as a player but not sure he's the type we need. I reckon Adams and Wood give us good ability to zone off, we're missing the Robbie Tarrant lock-down player

divvydan
28-05-2017, 07:54 PM
Not on the list and getting a little older but would anyone be interested in Matthew Kreuzer for the right price? Just turned 28 and out of contract at the end of this year. Played 21 games last year and looked to be over his injuries (although I'm sure he is always going to be managed) and has only missed the one game this year and looked very good in most games. Got the better of Goldstein today both in the ruck and around the ground.

bulldogtragic
28-05-2017, 09:14 PM
Not on the list and getting a little older but would anyone be interested in Matthew Kreuzer for the right price? Just turned 28 and out of contract at the end of this year. Played 21 games last year and looked to be over his injuries (although I'm sure he is always going to be managed) and has only missed the one game this year and looked very good in most games. Got the better of Goldstein today both in the ruck and around the ground.

It's an interesting question. He can play multiple roles, and does far more than say Campbell. I think Campbell should ask for a trade (if I were him) and if that eventuated we'd have an opening. But he'd be competing with Roughy for basicly the main rucking role, and would he want to possibly play a chunk of VFL footy if Roughy stayed in good form? If Roughy got injured, as he does, he'd be an excellent ruck rotating with Boyd/English. If we lost Adams or Redders to another knee and couldn't replace them, then we could try to wall paper the cracks back with Roughy or forward with Kruezer. His asking salary would be interesting too.

I started this post thinking no, but then I'm finishing now thinking, well maybe think about it actually.

Remi Moses
28-05-2017, 09:19 PM
I'd add Lachie Hansen to that list. If we can't get Trengrove or McKenzie, he's a flexible tall defender who can pinch hit forward too.

Not sure we'd be into Hansen. Far to slow and injury prone . Trengove for sure, as he fits that Bevo mobile versatile type .

divvydan
29-05-2017, 01:13 AM
It's an interesting question. He can play multiple roles, and does far more than say Campbell. I think Campbell should ask for a trade (if I were him) and if that eventuated we'd have an opening. But he'd be competing with Roughy for basicly the main rucking role, and would he want to possibly play a chunk of VFL footy if Roughy stayed in good form? If Roughy got injured, as he does, he'd be an excellent ruck rotating with Boyd/English. If we lost Adams or Redders to another knee and couldn't replace them, then we could try to wall paper the cracks back with Roughy or forward with Kruezer. His asking salary would be interesting too.

I started this post thinking no, but then I'm finishing now thinking, well maybe think about it actually.

I see Campbell as a back-up ruckman. Whether it's with us or if goes elsewhere, I don't really see him being anything other than a mature back-up. If we went after Kreuzer, it would be as first ruck with Roughead having to play VFL or find another role. I like Roughy but imo, Kreuzer is a much better ruckman both in his ruckwork and his around the ground work.

Remi Moses
29-05-2017, 11:16 AM
I think the Kruezer ship sailed a few years ago . The mobility and skill set between Tom and Tim English is quite stark to be honest .
I can see Campbell wanting more opportunity elsewhere next season .

The Bulldogs Bite
29-05-2017, 12:28 PM
I don't rate Trengove at all.

He's a very ordinary footballer.

Remi Moses
29-05-2017, 01:11 PM
Wow! Hard marker ....
Clearly port rate him , as do a few clubs .

Doc26
29-05-2017, 01:16 PM
I don't rate Trengove at all.

He's a very ordinary footballer.

Champion Data Rankings has him placed as 13th for key defenders, with Moz alongside him and Phil Davis below him, and with none of those ranked above him offering the versatility of playing in the ruck and as a key forward when required. Anecdotally I've only ever heard that he brings solid leadership to Port and has often been touted as a future Captain. Whilst he may not sit in the very top class of key defenders I feel it's over stretching to label him as a very ordinary footballer.

The Bulldogs Bite
29-05-2017, 05:05 PM
Champion Data Rankings has him placed as 13th for key defenders, with Moz alongside him and Phil Davis below him, and with none of those ranked above him offering the versatility of playing in the ruck and as a key forward when required. Anecdotally I've only ever heard that he brings solid leadership to Port and has often been touted as a future Captain. Whilst he may not sit in the very top class of key defenders I feel it's over stretching to label him as a very ordinary footballer.

I should clarify that by 'very ordinary', I mean he's very vanilla - he's an average every day footballer. Competes hard but he's one paced and doesn't have any one single trait that makes him an above average player (ie. Skills are average, marking is average).

When a player's greatest trait is his "flexibility", it says to me he's not good enough in any one position. He's serviceable as a key defender but that's about it.

I wouldn't have thought his ruck work is worth mentioning and he's awful as a key forward - see v Geelong.

divvydan
29-05-2017, 07:44 PM
With the reported $2mil or so extra coming in next year's salary cap and the supposed weakness of this year's draft, I'm expecting a lot of big offers to come in for players and many to move, whether contracted or not. Also means that a lot of other clubs will be making offers to out players, some may be way over market value too.

Axe Man
02-06-2017, 04:32 PM
Nick Bowen on the AFL Website has claimed we are very keen on Steven May.

soupman
02-06-2017, 04:37 PM
Nick Bowen on the AFL Website has claimed we are very keen on Steven May.

Who isn't?

I believe we tried to get him a couple of years ago, and we love his type of versatile intercept tallish defenders (Wood Haynes et.)

bulldogtragic
02-06-2017, 04:38 PM
Nick Bowen on the AFL Website has claimed we are very keen on Steven May.

Yay for May! That's the Way! That's great what you say! If we did it it'll make my day!

comrade
02-06-2017, 05:00 PM
May & Adams would be a very formidable key defensive unit.

bulldogtragic
02-06-2017, 05:04 PM
May & Adams would be a very formidable key defensive unit.

With Wood and some signs from Williams, that group would be the intercept marking kings. Hearing Bevo this year talk about the 'turnover-turnover' game, I'm sure he'd love a heap of defenders that could generate opposition turnovers.

I'm pretty sure May has told us 'no' at least two times, so until I see ink on paper it's all media speculation.

Twodogs
02-06-2017, 05:33 PM
Yay for May! That's the Way! That's great what you say! If we did it it'll make my day!


Hooray! Hooray! Make way for Steven May!


With the reported $2mil or so extra coming in next year's salary cap and the supposed weakness of this year's draft, I'm expecting a lot of big offers to come in for players and many to move, whether contracted or not. Also means that a lot of other clubs will be making offers to out players, some may be way over market value too.

A lot of that money might be taken up signing our own players to improved contracts. The value the market puts on JJ with the bigger salary cap will be interesting. We may well have to pay him more than we expected to in order to keep him.

comrade
02-06-2017, 05:51 PM
Getting May would make up for losing Hurley at the 11th hour. Man, that stung.

bulldogtragic
02-06-2017, 06:08 PM
Getting May would make up for losing Hurley at the 11th hour. Man, that stung.

I hope seeing a dynasty he could've been a part of stings him more. I feel for May as he's done everything for them, but they're a basket case and he should have a shot at success. With us.

Twodogs
03-06-2017, 09:27 PM
I hope seeing a dynasty he could've been a part of stings him more. I feel for May as he's done everything for them, but they're a basket case and he should have a shot at success. With us.


We'd be having more success, obviously.

Hotdog60
22-12-2018, 08:49 PM
Josh Kelly comes out of contract in 2019.
I wonder if we have a good year and play finals could he'd be interested playing along side the Bont rather than take big bucks at Nt Melb.

Josh Kelly

'The smooth-moving midfielder will be the No.1 recruiting target for most Victorian clubs next year and, as he did when last out of contract in 2017, will attract long-term offers worth more than $1 million a season. The Giants put themselves in a reasonable position to compete with rival suitors when they shed more than $1.5 million in player salaries by trading Dylan Shiel, Rory Lobb, Tom Scully and Will Setterfield this year. GWS faces a busy 2019 on the contract front, with vice-captain Stephen Coniglio, Nick Haynes and Adam Tomlinson entering new free agency, and talented youngsters Jacob Hopper and Harry Himmelberg also set to come out of contract. But as talented as these players are, Kelly is better. The Victorian came close to returning home at the end of 2017 and is likely to again take time to decide his future. - NB'
LINK (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-12-22/sign-em-up-your-clubs-most-important-offcontract-player)

bornadog
22-12-2018, 09:15 PM
I would love a Josh Kelly, but I bet big big dollars will be thrown at him during 2019

Twodogs
22-12-2018, 09:22 PM
I would love a Josh Kelly, but I bet big big dollars will be thrown at him during 2019


It depends on whether he wants lots of houses or some actual silverware to put on display in the house he lives in.

bulldogtragic
22-12-2018, 09:41 PM
We had enough money to alledegly offer Wingard $850,000+ after Dahl went and then we saved a wage from Adams leaving additionally. Then Picko, Morris & Dickson are likely to retire (possibly Suckers in he wants to the NFL) freeing up more salary cap. I think we are well placed salary cap wise and draft pick wise to go hard at Kelly. Another club might have a little bit more coin, but I think we could offer a million or so over a long period so we should aim to be on the short list at a minimum.

MrMahatma
23-12-2018, 01:35 AM
We had enough money to alledegly offer Wingard $850,000+ after Dahl went and then we saved a wage from Adams leaving additionally. Then Picko, Morris & Dickson are likely to retire (possibly Suckers in he wants to the NFL) freeing up more salary cap. I think we are well placed salary cap wise and draft pick wise to go hard at Kelly. Another club might have a little bit more coin, but I think we could offer a million or so over a long period so we should aim to be on the short list at a minimum.

Bont>Kelly makes for an interesting list management challenge. I’d love them both and we should aim for them both, but other teams will come hard.

bulldogtragic
23-12-2018, 11:56 AM
Bont>Kelly makes for an interesting list management challenge. I’d love them both and we should aim for them both, but other teams will come hard.

Yep. No doubt North will offer something stupid, maybe Carlton & St Kilda too. But I think we are likely competitive on money and years, and being that Kelly & Bonts are good mates, maybe playing with Bonts is an intangible benefit to him. Then maybe landing Kelly helps to keeps Bonts around after his contract runs out just a bit more. But we need to show signs of improvement on field this year to sell him that the future here is bright.

I'd be comfortable with 7 years, $1,000,000 or so a season and offering JMac 2019 & 2020 first rounders. Kelly is better than Shiel (Essendon got a second rounder back), and is closer to Treloar (two first rounders, nothing coming back). I reckon an offer like this gets us onto the short list, then it's up to Power, Bevo & Bonts to sell Kelly that there's more chance of a flag here than Carlton, North & St Kilda.

GVGjr
23-12-2018, 12:00 PM
Its going to need to be a massive offer to get even interested in coming to us. I think BT's assessment is about where it needs to be and even then it might be a bit short of what they want.

Bulldog Joe
23-12-2018, 01:36 PM
Its going to need to be a massive offer to get even interested in coming to us. I think BT's assessment is about where it needs to be and even then it might be a bit short of what they want.

One other thing we have from Salary Cap perspective is the Tom Boyd contract is nearing the end, which can allow some additional flexibility with back ending any contract offer.

EasternWest
01-01-2019, 06:56 PM
It depends on whether he wants lots of houses or some actual silverware to put on display in the house he lives in.

Lol. Nobody needs a second house.

Mofra
02-01-2019, 05:18 PM
Coniglio would be a helluva get as a FA - he's A grade.

Twodogs
03-01-2019, 07:49 PM
Coniglio would be a helluva get as a FA - he's A grade.

Much better than Shiel. He always finds a teammate with the ball.

Axe Man
01-05-2019, 02:00 PM
Not sure where to post but Josh Kelly has re-signed with GWS for a further 2 years with an option to extend.

May have to look elsewhere to spend the supposed Hurley/Wingard money.

bulldogtragic
01-05-2019, 02:06 PM
Not sure where to post but Josh Kelly has re-signed with GWS for a further 2 years with an option to extend.

May have to look elsewhere to spend the supposed Hurley/Wingard money.

That's a great retain for them. If they also retain free agents Coniglio & Tomlinson they've done well.

Mofra
01-05-2019, 02:10 PM
That's a great retain for them. If they also retain free agents Coniglio & Tomlinson they've done well.
Tomlinson has all but said he's happy to stay.

Releasing Shiel/Lobb/Scully last year means they should have the cash for Cogs, especially if the Patton to Hawthorn salary dump rumours are true.

bulldogtragic
01-05-2019, 02:14 PM
Tomlinson has all but said he's happy to stay.

Releasing Shiel/Lobb/Scully last year means they should have the cash for Cogs, especially if the Patton to Hawthorn salary dump rumours are true.

May they still finish 18th very soon. **** them.

Happy Days
01-05-2019, 02:24 PM
Releasing Shiel/Lobb/Scully last year means they should have the cash for Cogs, especially if the Patton to Hawthorn salary dump rumours are true.

This seems suss as hell and might go a ways to explaining why they got the allegedly terminally injured Scully so cheap last year.

Mofra
01-05-2019, 02:43 PM
This seems suss as hell and might go a ways to explaining why they got the allegedly terminally injured Scully so cheap last year.
Teams under cap pressure do it all the time.
North got Ahern after two consecutive ACLs on the cheap as GWS signed him on $300k pa to try and keep their draftees together.

IIRC we paid part of Rawlings' salary when he went to North and Griff's salary in his first year at GWS. I think there was a lingering part payment for Croad as well when he went back to Hawthorn from Freo.

bornadog
09-05-2019, 09:22 AM
FIVE VICTORIAN CLUBS INTERESTED IN OFF-CONTRACT DOCKER (https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/05/08/report-five-victorian-clubs-interested-in-off-contract-docker/)

Fremantle wingman Ed Langdon is in demand with as many as five Victorian clubs chasing his signature, according to Fox Footy.

The report states that St Kilda, Collingwood, North Melbourne, Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs have all shown interest in luring the out-of-contract Docker back to Melbourne.

Langdon, 23, decided to put contract talks on hold with the Dockers until later in the season.
"It's probably not something I'll look to address until the back half of the year," Langdon told reporters in April.

The speedster has played 53 games for Fremantle since being taken with pick No.54 in the 2014 AFL Draft.
Ed is the younger brother of Collingwood defender Tom Langdon.

bulldogtragic
09-05-2019, 10:58 AM
Any guesses what Freo would want for him?

Axe Man
09-05-2019, 11:48 AM
Any guesses what Freo would want for him?

Less than they gave us for Hamling, it's only fair.

KT31
09-05-2019, 12:27 PM
Less than they gave us for Hamling, it's only fair.

As much as I detested the Hamling deal, cementing that relationship with Freo may work in our favour trying to entice Langdon over to us.

Happy Days
09-05-2019, 12:30 PM
They also gave up Crozier for a fair price. We probably have more a more amicable trading relationship with them than any other club.

Axe Man
09-05-2019, 12:42 PM
They also gave up Crozier for a fair price. We probably have more a more amicable trading relationship with them than any other club.

They probably still feel bad over the Steven Koops deal.

1eyedog
09-05-2019, 12:50 PM
They also gave up Crozier for a fair price. We probably have more a more amicable trading relationship with them than any other club.

Crozier has been a steal he's been shit hot since he came over.

bornadog
09-05-2019, 03:03 PM
They probably still feel bad over the Steven Koops deal.

They paid us didn't they :D

Axe Man
09-05-2019, 04:06 PM
They paid us didn't they :D

They should have.

I bet they could barely contain their laughter when we offered pick 19 for a classic eker that had manged 78 games in 8 years and whose body was so cooked that he retired after 11 games with us.

Of course the fact the Dockers wasted that pick on some nobody named David Mundy provides some comfort.:rolleyes:

AshMac
09-05-2019, 06:46 PM
Mate of mine walked to the ground on Saturday w Lindsey Gilbee who made a comment about how much cap space the dogs have over the next 3 years. Surely it’s to lock bonti away for the next 90 years, but we have to be chasing a key back and another elite mid IMO.

I’d be over the moon w Cogs, probably he best of the free agents IMO

bulldogtragic
09-05-2019, 10:51 PM
Just looked at Ed Langdon's 2019 stats, averaging 28 disposals, 7.7 marks, 2 tackles & no goals. Comp wide:

Ranked 16th in Total Kicks
Ranked 11th in Total Marks
Ranked 8th in Total Uncontested Possessions
Ranked 16th in Total Effective Disposals
Ranked 10th in Total Metres Gained
Ranked 17th in Total Turnovers
Ranked 12th in Marks Per Game
Ranked 10th in Uncontested Possessions Per Game
Ranked 20th in Effective Disposals Per Game
Ranked 14th in Metres Gained Per Game
Ranked 20th in Turnovers Per Game

Those are very good numbers in isolation. But he doesn't hit the scoreboard and reads like players we have, like Hunter, a wingman who can run well, not tall, not big on tackles, can accumulate good numbers and doesn't kick goals or generate plenty of goal assists. I wonder why we are fishing here over other more obvious needs?

bornadog
09-05-2019, 10:52 PM
I wonder why we are fishing here over other more obvious needs?

We need a second ruck :D:D:D

hujsh
09-05-2019, 11:30 PM
His highlights seem to be a couple of good tackles against Brisbane and a run around the man on the mark for a goal. I looked him up earlier as well and I think he kicked 11 goals last year which is not bad for a mid in a low scoring team.

Honestly though I know very little about him

Twodogs
09-05-2019, 11:33 PM
They should have.

I bet they could barely contain their laughter when we offered pick 19 for a classic eker that had manged 78 games in 8 years and whose body was so cooked that he retired after 11 games with us.

Of course the fact the Dockers wasted that pick on some nobody named David Mundy provides some comfort.:rolleyes:

Yeah imagine the horror if that dud Mundy had played 300 games or kicked the winning goal against us or something?

FrediKanoute
10-05-2019, 02:03 AM
Just looked at Ed Langdon's 2019 stats, averaging 28 disposals, 7.7 marks, 2 tackles & no goals. Comp wide:

Ranked 16th in Total Kicks
Ranked 11th in Total Marks
Ranked 8th in Total Uncontested Possessions
Ranked 16th in Total Effective Disposals
Ranked 10th in Total Metres Gained
Ranked 17th in Total Turnovers
Ranked 12th in Marks Per Game
Ranked 10th in Uncontested Possessions Per Game
Ranked 20th in Effective Disposals Per Game
Ranked 14th in Metres Gained Per Game
Ranked 20th in Turnovers Per Game

Those are very good numbers in isolation. But he doesn't hit the scoreboard and reads like players we have, like Hunter, a wingman who can run well, not tall, not big on tackles, can accumulate good numbers and doesn't kick goals or generate plenty of goal assists. I wonder why we are fishing here over other more obvious needs?

A classic Supercoach player - accumulates great numbers without actually hurting anybody

Dancin' Douggy
10-05-2019, 08:55 AM
They should have.

I bet they could barely contain their laughter when we offered pick 19 for a classic eker that had manged 78 games in 8 years and whose body was so cooked that he retired after 11 games with us.

Of course the fact the Dockers wasted that pick on some nobody named David Mundy provides some comfort.:rolleyes:
I know I know I know. I still wake up in a cold sweat now and then remembering that deal.

Bulldog4life
10-05-2019, 04:21 PM
I know I know I know. I still wake up in a cold sweat now and then remembering that deal.

I bet you don't. :)