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mjp
31-03-2019, 07:41 PM
I understand *everyone* is unhappy about the times that Caleb Daniel is finding himself isolated against a taller opponent deep inside D50 when the ball is in transition.

I am frustrated as well.

BUT I think it is worth reminding everyone that of the back 6 that practised together right throughout the pre-season:

Naughton is playing forward
Morris has a partial ACL tear and is not playing.
JJ is still out.

THEN:

Williams (who I acknowledge has been training with the mids went down) and an even more inexperienced defender (Young) was inserted.

All I am saying is, 1-vs-1 is better than 1-vs-NONE. And I think we just need to allow a bit of time for this group - which with Durea only just added to the mix as well, must have been playing their first REAL game together - to gel together.

At the moment, it is good that someone is back...bad that it is Daniel. Hopefully as time moves on, we will see more of Wood and Cordy as the slider (even Crozier who has an excellent leap/positive aerial skills) and less of Caleb...

It is only round 2. No - it isn't "good enough", but playing Daniel as a D50 distributor is working pretty well...we just need to tidy up the defending part...

westdog54
31-03-2019, 07:45 PM
Morris not directing traffic is most certainly an issue and the runner rule is an aggravating factor.

The reality is however that we're a considerably more potent team when Caleb Daniel is rebounding. The odd contest where he gets caught out is going to happen but we've been fortunate that we've made the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
31-03-2019, 07:45 PM
I understand *everyone* is unhappy about the times that Caleb Daniel is finding himself isolated against a taller opponent deep inside D50 when the ball is in transition.

I am frustrated as well.

BUT I think it is worth reminding everyone that of the back 6 that practised together right throughout the pre-season:

Naughton is playing forward
Morris has a partial ACL tear and is not playing.
JJ is still out.

THEN:

Williams (who I acknowledge has been training with the mids went down) and an even more inexperienced defender (Young) was inserted.

All I am saying is, 1-vs-1 is better than 1-vs-NONE. And I think we just need to allow a bit of time for this group - which with Durea only just added to the mix as well, must have been playing their first REAL game together - to gel together.

At the moment, it is good that someone is back...bad that it is Daniel. Hopefully as time moves on, we will see more of Wood and Cordy as the slider (even Crozier who has an excellent leap/positive aerial skills) and less of Caleb...

It is only round 2. No - it isn't "good enough", but playing Daniel as a D50 distributor is working pretty well...we just need to tidy up the defending part...

I agree. And I think the optics of seeing Daniel once or twice a game get that terrible match-up looks far worse than the net positive we get from his distribution.
If it costs us 1 goal but his ball use down back either creates 2 or 3 or prevents 1 or 2 per game, then the ledger is still well and truly in the positive.

Go_Dogs
31-03-2019, 08:07 PM
Frustrating it happened a few times, but agree with the analysis here.

I actually don't mind Daniel being one of the deeper players as we transition back because I want the ball in his hands if we regain possession. Looking forward to seeing the group evolve over the season.

bornadog
31-03-2019, 08:10 PM
It only happens because Daniel reads the play so well. Not sure what happens to the direct opponents of the talls?

FrediKanoute
31-03-2019, 08:31 PM
What Daniel brings in clean ball skills, vision and an ability to use the ball so efficiently when exiting, especially through heavy traffic far outweighs the 1 or 2 goals a game that happen when he is isolated 1 on 1.

comrade
31-03-2019, 09:06 PM
I’m hoping we iron out the kinks and his teammates fall back on the bigger guys with more experience playing together but Caleb is probably in the top couple when it comes to influence. His vision with the game ahead of him is next level. Bevo has found the right spot for his skill set.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
31-03-2019, 09:47 PM
I think a weekly recurrence of The backline thread would be good. This is a group that we need to really gel, and with the plan Bevo & Co has they clearly back a team defense, and aren't wedded to height as the key selection criterion.

Easton Wood played his best game since 2016 with 11 once percenters and was very good overall in coming in over the top.

Crozier was awesome today, spoiling, running in traffic and distributing. And he looked really confident.

Lewy Young...well he looked like a guy who has played a handful of games in one of the most consequential areas of the ground. Mistakes equal instant goals and instant scrutiny. He had some very good moments, some ordinary ones... but its another game in the bank and hopefully it brings him one game closer to confidence at this level. He has some very good attributes.

Duryea.. Was very important late in the 4th. Brave marks and incisive kicks.

Cordy... he's the blue collar, down in the muck cause someone's gotta do it so it might as well be me, kinda guy.

Daniel-. he may very well redefine what a defender can/should be. On tape measure alone, you'd think he'd immediately be disqualified from being our most important defender. This could be Bevo's greatest move. If as MJP mentions in his initial post, we can iron out the kinks and over time get other guys being the one who rolls back on the tall instead of Caleb.
Nonetheless as it stands I'm okay with him getting the impossible match-up once or twice a game if Caleb otherwise creates or saves 2 or 3 goals a game.

Mofra
31-03-2019, 09:50 PM
Daniel has been outmarked, legitimately, twice. He normally spoils and what he gives in run and ball use if far greater than what he costs in giving up marks.

It's as clear a signal as can be given the we back our system in. No surprise that as a group we seem more confident this year than last.

EasternWest
31-03-2019, 10:00 PM
I'm a big fan of Crozier. He's really tough, and generally used the ball well. I'm very happy to have picked him up.

soupman
31-03-2019, 10:48 PM
I'm a big fan of Crozier. He's really tough, and generally used the ball well. I'm very happy to have picked him up.

He reminds me so much of Matthew Boyd in defence. He is great one one one, can hold his own against all types of forwards, can sacrifice where needed, surprisingly strong in the air, and when he gets the ball he is composed, tidy and attacking without overdoing any of them.

bornadog
31-03-2019, 10:51 PM
He reminds me so much of Matthew Boyd in defence. He is great one one one, can hold his own against all types of forwards, can sacrifice where needed, surprisingly strong in the air, and when he gets the ball he is composed, tidy and attacking without overdoing any of them.

He also has a booming left foot.

josie
31-03-2019, 11:07 PM
I'm a big fan of Crozier. He's really tough, and generally used the ball well. I'm very happy to have picked him up.

Crosier has been crazy good the first two rounds this year and damn good last year except for injuries. His leap and marking ability are v good and he is a quick thinker too. Agree he is brave too. And Woody was back to his leaping & punching best today.

hujsh
31-03-2019, 11:18 PM
He reminds me so much of Matthew Boyd in defence. He is great one one one, can hold his own against all types of forwards, can sacrifice where needed, surprisingly strong in the air, and when he gets the ball he is composed, tidy and attacking without overdoing any of them.

Great comparison. Would never have thought of it myself as there are different 'tags' the players had before becoming HBFs for us (in and under, tough midfielder vs silky, skilled ball user) but they do have a lot in common as flankers.

Vred
01-04-2019, 12:00 AM
Crosier has been crazy good the first two rounds this year and damn good last year except for injuries. His leap and marking ability are v good and he is a quick thinker too. Agree he is brave too. And Woody was back to his leaping & punching best today.

It actually seems like Woody is starting to really get some confidence back around his game, I'm actually stating to rate him as a defender again instead of wanting him gone.

hujsh
01-04-2019, 12:01 AM
Agree that this was one of Wood's best games in a long while. Still consider any disposal he gets in our forward half to be wasted but his defensive work made up for the few he had.

Testekill
01-04-2019, 10:54 AM
Crozier is playing as well as an intercepting defender can play and Caleb will be AA if he keeps his form up. He gets caught out on the last line of defence but that's down to his ability to cover distance and game awareness, his influence rebounding is so much higher than the one or two goals he gives away with size mismatches.

Happy Days
01-04-2019, 11:46 AM
Daniel is good in a contest and the "he'll get outmarked because he's small lol" is typical lazy narrative-based commentary by Seven's usual gang of idiots. He's extremely core strong and has proven to be an effective spoiler.

As Mofra said he's been outmarked twice so far in 6 games down back, by 2 superstar players who have made plenty of tall defenders look stupid. I'm not hearing anything about him beating Ceglar one on one but I guess that didn't count?

The good far outweighs the "bad" here.

EasternWest
01-04-2019, 09:03 PM
Daniel is good in a contest and the "he'll get outmarked because he's small lol" is typical lazy narrative-based commentary by Seven's usual gang of idiots. He's extremely core strong and has proven to be an effective spoiler.

As Mofra said he's been outmarked twice so far in 6 games down back, by 2 superstar players who have made plenty of tall defenders look stupid. I'm not hearing anything about him beating Ceglar one on one but I guess that didn't count?

The good far outweighs the "bad" here.

Agree with all of this and have said similar in the past.

Nuggety Back Pocket
01-04-2019, 11:59 PM
Would still like to see Richards back in defence where he was a star last year. Looks lost further afield and like Naughton has showed they are both talented young players.

AshMac
02-04-2019, 08:47 PM
Been really impressed with our backline this year. Good contest and smart movement our of the D50.

Crozier is looking great already, Daniel has been BOG 2 quarters this year and Duryea was outstanding in the last qtr on Sunday.

Add in a really solid performance from Young and a consisyejt performance from cordy and we have some solid depth when JJ and Moz return.

What was the issue with Williams? He looked completely out of form R1, I thought he was dropped, not injured.

merantau
03-04-2019, 06:04 PM
I will admit to being harsh on Crozier when he first arrived. Not now. He is playing very good football. Gutsy player who copes well under pressure.

Axe Man
03-04-2019, 06:22 PM
Been really impressed with our backline this year. Good contest and smart movement our of the D50.

Crozier is looking great already, Daniel has been BOG 2 quarters this year and Duryea was outstanding in the last qtr on Sunday.

Add in a really solid performance from Young and a consisyejt performance from cordy and we have some solid depth when JJ and Moz return.

What was the issue with Williams? He looked completely out of form R1, I thought he was dropped, not injured.

I thought on the whole Young did OK at the game, however watching the final quarter again last night he directly turned the ball over by foot twice. The rushed kick that went high in the air and didn't even clear the defensive 50 wasn't something I would like to see again.

I think the club said Williams was rested with an eye to upcoming games (we have a 5 day break next round), not sure if that's legit. What was wrong with his game against Sydney? He was forced to play mostly as a tall defender given the Swans height and our lack thereof. I thought he performed fine.

bornadog
04-04-2019, 12:00 AM
I thought on the whole Young did OK at the game, however watching the final quarter again last night he directly turned the ball over by foot twice. The rushed kick that went high in the air and didn't even clear the defensive 50 wasn't something I would like to see again.

I think the club said Williams was rested with an eye to upcoming games (we have a 5 day break next round), not sure if that's legit. What was wrong with his game against Sydney? He was forced to play mostly as a tall defender given the Swans height and our lack thereof. I thought he performed fine.

Bevo mentioned in his presser he had some leg soreness. Not sure if that is 100% true.