List Management thread (For 2022)

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Handing away Hunter and Schache, taking unders for Dunkley, overpaying for Lobb - this is the concern at this point.

[Mofra]

So, no different to the majority of his teamates that night?
Well, McLean has a better excuse

[EasternWest]

Handing away Hunter and Schache, taking unders for Dunkley, overpaying for Lobb - this is the concern at this point.

Hashtag just Bulldog things.

[Topdog]

Well, McLean has a better excuse

he does have a better excuse unfortunately its about as useful as non-alcoholic beer in Robbo's minibar (just catching up on the bottom 50 now)

[Scorlibo]

Schache paperwork being lodged, he's going to Melbourne

[chef]

Hopefully Shaq gets more of a chance to show his worth.

[bulldogtragic]

Schache paperwork being lodged, he's going to Melbourne

Shame. But good he gets another crack at it. I hope he finds he spot in this league.

[Grantysghost]

Future 4th for Schache.

[DOG GOD]

Another one who didn’t get a FAIR go.

[Mofra]

Future 4th for Schache.
Hand shake, good luck and no hard feelings.

[G-Mo77]

Well we couldn't get anything really but a shame that we turned a 2nd and 3rd round pick into a worthless pick.

[macca]

Hopefully Shaq gets more of a chance to show his worth.

He does not have to ruck
Maybe Grundy and Gawn can teach him a few things on using his height and body positioning?
May can teach him about angry pills

I am afraid he may just get better.

Former first round pick , maybe now 3rd tall behind Ben Brown ? Good luck to him

Backup for Weidemann who has left for the Dons.

[kruder]

Handing away Hunter and Schache, taking unders for Dunkley, overpaying for Lobb - this is the concern at this point.

Has hunter left?

[Grantysghost]

Has hunter left?

Nothing mentioned at all.

I'd say he stays at this point

[Testekill]

I can't imagine losing Hunter will hurt us. He works hard and covers a lot of ground but he's a shocking kick and moves it sideways at a snails pace.

[whythelongface]

He does not have to ruck
Maybe Grundy and Gawn can teach him a few things on using his height and body positioning?
May can teach him about angry pills

I am afraid he may just get better.

Former first round pick , maybe now 3rd tall behind Ben Brown ? Good luck to him

Backup for Weidemann who has left for the Dons.

Some good points. Not having to ruck is probably a good thing. Can work on his forward craft. Good pick up by the Dees. Whilst disappointed to see him go wish him nothing but good luck. Seems like a nice bloke.

[bornadog]

After 7 years as an AFL footballer, if you can't establish yourself in the best 22, then it is time for a move

[bornadog]

Hunter now unlikely according to Demons

[Grantysghost]

Hunter now unlikely according to Demons

I felt there was a little window there and he was playing a straight bat.

[DOG GOD]

Hunter now unlikely according to Demons
And what happens now if players don’t want him at the dogs ?

[Testekill]

I felt there was a little window there and he was playing a straight bat.

He probably thinks that we pay Hunter out and the Demons can get him for free.

[bornadog]

He probably thinks that we pay Hunter out and the Demons can get him for free.

2 years - I doubt it

[bornadog]

And what happens now if players don’t want him at the dogs ?

He is ex vice captain, so he is popular

[DOG GOD]

He is ex vice captain, so he is popular
Is or was ?
Something was not right with the playing group this year. Whether that was Dunkley, hunter, smith or others. Will be interesting to watch what happens.

[Testekill]

2 years - I doubt it

Jeez, 2 years? I can't imagine any player being welcomed back after not attending the B&F

[F'scary]

He probably thinks that we pay Hunter out and the Demons can get him for free.

Hunter fixed his act up by the end of the season and played like the old Hunter we loved. He should stay. We need him.

[bornadog]

Is or was ?
Something was not right with the playing group this year. Whether that was Dunkley, hunter, smith or others. Will be interesting to watch what happens.

I did say EX - dropped after crashing his car.

What I know about Hunter is he has had some personal issues which has effected him.

[josie]

Hunter’s manager says he is 50-50 to make a move away and says a club is keen. We should have all been put in an induced coma until the last day of trade. I reckon Dunks and Lobb trades will likely happen now.

[1eyedog]

Reckon Bevo has had a gut full. Assume he has lots of mates still at the club.

[bornadog]

Jeez, 2 years? I can't imagine any player being welcomed back after not attending the B&F

Will be a UFA at the end of 2024 and 30 years old

[bulldogtragic]

Hunter's manager says it's moved stronger to 50/50 Hunter leaves now, with at least one club keen to get him.

[Bulldog4life]

Hunter's manager says it's moved stronger to 50/50 Hunter leaves now, with at least one club keen to get him.

Melbourne?

[F'scary]

Hunter's manager says it's moved stronger to 50/50 Hunter leaves now, with at least one club keen to get him.

the Winchester Club?

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[hujsh]

I did say EX - dropped after crashing his car.

What I know about Hunter is he has had some personal issues which has effected him.

Is or was popular I presume was the basis of Dog God's question

[bornadog]

Is or was popular I presume was the basis of Dog God's question

ok, misunderstood. Not sure about current

[Bulldog4life]

Ayrton Woolley
@AyrtonWoolley
Lachie Hunter has been keen on move to Melbourne for some time - manager Paul Connors confirming his interest today.

The Dees had so many moving parts so always loomed as being late. His wait goes into final hours.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Ayrton Woolley
@AyrtonWoolley
Lachie Hunter has been keen on move to Melbourne for some time - manager Paul Connors confirming his interest today.

The Dees had so many moving parts so always loomed as being late. His wait goes into final hours.

This is a lose-lose for us.

Lose a good player (even if he's disruptive), pay part of his salary to do so, likely get little in return.

[Mantis]

This is a lose-lose for us.

Lose a good player (even if he's disruptive), pay part of his salary to do so, likely get little in return.

He hasn't been a good player for some time now and obviously has some off field issues judging by what has happened this year so a clean break is required.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

He hasn't been a good player for some time now and obviously has some off field issues judging by what has happened this year so a clean break is required.

I don't disagree but why do we seem to lose the likes of Hunter/Stringer for them to regain focus and form? What are we doing wrong internally?

I get it, they need to be held accountable too, but losing these two hurts. Both had/have issues, sure, but both had/have plenty left in the tank. To watch two other clubs benefit from this while we sign a retiree is reflective of where we are.

[AshMac]

Reckon hunter probably thought there would be offers flying at him and had donuts.

Indicative of just how disruptive he has been IMO

[G-Mo77]

He hasn't been a good player for some time now and obviously has some off field issues judging by what has happened this year so a clean break is required.

Is it required though or are we throwing a player in the too hard basket like quite a few others over the years?

[Bulldog4life]

Is it required though or are we throwing a player in the too hard basket like quite a few others over the years?

We never know what goes on behind the scenes.

[EasternWest]

I don't disagree but why do we seem to lose the likes of Hunter/Stringer for them to regain focus and form? What are we doing wrong internally?

I get it, they need to be held accountable too, but losing these two hurts. Both had/have issues, sure, but both had/have plenty left in the tank. To watch two other clubs benefit from this while we sign a retiree is reflective of where we are.

Reckon Stringer has regained focus and form? He's been great at times for Essington and average at times. He looked fat again last year.

I'd say he's been about the same as when he was with us. Capable of great things, deliverer of inconsistent results (and did I mention 9 touches Ina cut throat final? 9. That's 1 less than 10).

[G-Mo77]

We never know what goes on behind the scenes.

No we have no idea but we do know in a round about way that Stringer, Dahlhaus and now Hunter have been thrown away because of behaviour issues? Look we're probably right to move them on, I just sense a theme here.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Reckon Stringer has regained focus and form? He's been great at times for Essington and average at times. He looked fat again last year.

I'd say he's been about the same as when he was with us. Capable of great things, deliverer of inconsistent results (and did I mention 9 touches Ina cut throat final? 9. That's 1 less than 10).

All true.

Still, he'd easily walk into our best 18.

[Scorlibo]

Reckon Stringer has regained focus and form? He's been great at times for Essington and average at times. He looked fat again last year.

I'd say he's been about the same as when he was with us. Capable of great things, deliverer of inconsistent results (and did I mention 9 touches Ina cut throat final? 9. That's 1 less than 10).

His 2021 was awesome, probably eclipsing his 2015 season. Outside of that I think you sum it up well. I do think his down patches appear worse than they actually are because his best is so good. Frustrating, exhilarating, waddling, surging. The Package contained a box of chocolates.

[EasternWest]

All true.

Still, he'd easily walk into our best 18.


His 2021 was awesome, probably eclipsing his 2015 season. Outside of that I think you sum it up well. I do think his down patches appear worse than they actually are because his best is so good. Frustrating, exhilarating, waddling, surging. The Package contained a box of chocolates.

Agree with both of you.

[The Doctor]

Hunter to Melbourne for F3

[kruder]

Cal Twomey said Hunter to Dees for a third rounder is done.

[hujsh]

Hunter to Melbourne for F3

Had seen f2 earlier. Question is how much are we paying?

[Grantysghost]

Hunter to Melbourne for F3

That's a seeya later deal.

I've known for a while he's been on the nose.

I'm absolutely fine with this deal.

[Grantysghost]

Had seen f2 earlier. Question is how much are we paying?

If he's on 750 I'd assume 250. So a third of whatever he's on.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Regardless of behaviours, our list is worse than it was this year at this point.

[hujsh]

If anyone wants to PM me specifics around what Hunter has been upto I'll send you macaroons

[Topdog]

I don't disagree but why do we seem to lose the likes of Hunter/Stringer for them to regain focus and form? What are we doing wrong internally?
.

Stringer hasnt come close to having a year as good as the year he had with us in 15. Arguably his best 2 seasons ever have been as a Bulldog.

[kruder]

Dunkley is done they are shaking hands with pickering

[ratsmac]

Stringer hasnt come close to having a year as good as the year he had with us in 15. Arguably his best 2 seasons ever have been as a Bulldog.

I keen to know too. A future 3rd for Hunter sounds crazy. What on earth has he done to get basically kicked out the door?

[DOG GOD]

Dunkley is done they are shaking hands with pickering
Lube ready

[FrediKanoute]

Don't know what to make of this trade period. Cordy, real dispappointment losing him, but we could cope; Schache, disappointed mainly because I still want to believe he has potential; Hunter very disappointed, because despite what people say, he is a critical cog in the team and one we sorely missed - real disconnect between back and forwards without him.

We may add LObb and we've added Jones, but if you can tell me that our list is better now than it was 4 weeks ago I'd appreciate if you can tell me how. Its almost as though we have put together a list of great blokes who are average at football (aside from a couple of exceptions).

[1eyedog]

That's a seeya later deal.

I've known for a while he's been on the nose.

I'm absolutely fine with this deal.

That another Premiership player gone like that.

[mjp]

Regardless of behaviours, our list is worse than it was this year at this point.

Our LIST and our RESULTS are not going to be 100% linked.

The belief that they are is what leads to losing to Fremantle after being 42 points up.

Footy is played on grass not on a computer screen and I honestly believe a lot of the people involved at the highest level forget that sometimes.

[Testekill]

That another Premiership player gone like that.

Can't ignore someone's bad behaviour indefinitely due to them being a Premiership player.

[DOG GOD]

Don't know what to make of this trade period. Cordy, real dispappointment losing him, but we could cope; Schache, disappointed mainly because I still want to believe he has potential; Hunter very disappointed, because despite what people say, he is a critical cog in the team and one we sorely missed - real disconnect between back and forwards without him.

We may add LObb and we've added Jones, but if you can tell me that our list is better now than it was 4 weeks ago I'd appreciate if you can tell me how. Its almost as though we have put together a list of great blokes who are average at football (aside from a couple of exceptions).
And Martin still on the list

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Regardless of behaviours, our list is worse than it was this year at this point.

I agree.
Hunter and Dunkley are best 22.
I get why we're keen to move Hunter on, but its distasteful nonetheless that we're going to objectively be a weaker side going into next season, unless we have some super moves up our sleeve in the next 2 hours that no one in the football universe is aware of.

Overpaying for Lobb ain't going to do much to balance up the talent deficit either.

I hate trade period.

[1eyedog]

Can't ignore someone's bad behaviour indefinitely due to them being a Premiership player.

100% just sayin. It's sad. 2016 is already lost to folklore.

[bornadog]

I agree.
Hunter and Dunkley are best 22.
I get why we're keen to move Hunter on, but its distasteful nonetheless that we're going to objectively be a weaker side going into next season, unless we have some super moves up our sleeve in the next 2 hours that no one in the football universe is aware of.

Overpaying for Lobb ain't going to do much to balance up the talent deficit either.

I hate trade period.

you mean 50 min

[Hotdog60]

I'm not fussed with Hunter going all he had was stamina his kicking was average how many handballs missed the mark and how many kicks didn't find their target. We need to find someone who can supply the same amount of work rate but with much better disposal.

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

you mean 50 min

sorry forgot its already 6:40pm down there. Here in Hickville we don't have daylight savings it's still 5:40pm. I was thinking there was still the best part of 2 hours to go.
On the plus side only 50 mins more to put up with this rubbish

[josie]

If player is detrimental to club I have no issue with moving player on. Other clubs know what our club knows and unfortunately this devalues value of player. This is a great opportunity for players like Bedendo and Scott and Roarke Smith to step up and cement spots. We needed to change things up and we have. Let’s judge trade period next year. Could be the refresh we needed.

[EasternWest]

If anyone wants to PM me specifics around what Hunter has been upto I'll send you macaroons

Hey wait a sec...

[GVGjr]

Hunter to Melbourne for F3

That's a decent deal.

[bulldogtragic]

Hunter to Melbourne for F3

The exact trade, in reverse. When we got Hannan for a Future Third.

Hannan for Hunter. And we pay Hunter a chunk of salary.

[bulldogtragic]

Say we pay half of Hunter. Dunkley goes.

That's about $1,000,000 is salary cap opened up!

[comrade]

Say we pay half of Hunter. Dunkley goes.

That's about $1,000,000 is salary cap opened up!

To throw at players that have no interest in playing for us!

[Dancin' Douggy]

I feel utterly bereft of joy after this trade period.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

To throw at players that have no interest in playing for us!

Yep we're going to become like the Aints and North. We'll throw money at mediocre guys who simply chase the $.

[Rocket Science]

https://i.ibb.co/D49LySW/NOT-YOU.jpg (https://ibb.co/4W8JG5t)

[bulldogsthru&thru]

So we've sent 3 guys to fellow premiership contenders. We mustn't have high expectations

[The bulldog tragician]

https://i.ibb.co/D49LySW/NOT-YOU.jpg (https://ibb.co/4W8JG5t)

Bulldogs Insta post on Hunter was lukewarm to say the least.

[GVGjr]

Good to see it's done and Sam Power has held firm

[EasternWest]

https://i.ibb.co/D49LySW/NOT-YOU.jpg (https://ibb.co/4W8JG5t)

Alright obvious parochialism aside, why do we hate Dunkley?

He's a weird unit, sure, but he's been a consummate pro on field for us and always gave his all.

Whatever his motives for leaving (of course it's money and he's gotta pay for the second house somehow and wants to be nearer to his cousin's friend's dog because it had puppies) I've frankly found the sudden hatred of him ridiculously over the top.

I say so long Dunks and thanks for all the fish. Forever a BullGod.

[G-Mo77]

Say we pay half of Hunter. Dunkley goes.

That's about $1,000,000 is salary cap opened up!

For what though? Magic beans. No one wants to come here!

I'm disgusted we've given away Lachie for *!*!*!*! all.

[chef]

Alright obvious parochialism aside, why do we hate Dunkley?

He's a weird unit, sure, but he's been a consummate pro on field for us and always gave his all.

Whatever his motives for leaving (of course it's money and he's gotta pay for the second house somehow and wants to be nearer to his cousin's friend's dog because it had puppies) I've frankly found the sudden hatred of him ridiculously over the top.

I say so long Dunks and thanks for all the fish. Forever a BullGod.

Top post and agree totally.

Macaroons are in the mail.

[EasternWest]

Top post and agree totally.

Macaroons are in the mail.

I've been hurt before.

[Eastdog]

8 minutes to go and fox footy goes to an ad break!

[hujsh]

Alright obvious parochialism aside, why do we hate Dunkley?

He's a weird unit, sure, but he's been a consummate pro on field for us and always gave his all.

Whatever his motives for leaving (of course it's money and he's gotta pay for the second house somehow and wants to be nearer to his cousin's friend's dog because it had puppies) I've frankly found the sudden hatred of him ridiculously over the top.

I say so long Dunks and thanks for all the fish. Forever a BullGod.

Defending Fagan wasn't the best

[EasternWest]

Defending Fagan wasn't the best

He was get flayed well before that.

[FrediKanoute]

Pick 30 and F 2nd for Lobb- calling that a win!

All we need to do now is call out Fletcher at 11 :)

[Bulldog Revolution]

He was get flayed well before that.

Primarily because he’s left - and it was always pretty transparent that whilst he’s a pro, he’s pretty mercenary.

We couldn’t bend him Geelong style to taking a little less money to stay

[whythelongface]

Pick 30 and F 2nd for Lobb- calling that a win!

All we need to do now is call out Fletcher at 11 :)

Does that mean we have pick 11 and 21 going into the draft?

[Mofra]

For what though? Magic beans. No one wants to come here!

I'm disgusted we've given away Lachie for *!*!*!*! all.
I'm relieved we're not paying him out fully for next year and delisting him (which was in play).

[bulldogtragic]

Does that mean we have pick 11 and 21 going into the draft?

11, 21 and 39

[GVGjr]

11, 21 and 39

A slight improvement on what we had before the trade period finished.

[G-Mo77]

I'm relieved we're not paying him out fully for next year and delisting him (which was in play).

No it wasn't

[Bullies]

For what though? Magic beans. No one wants to come here!

I'm disgusted we've given away Lachie for *!*!*!*! all. I think you need to put Hunter into perspective. He had issues at the club in regards to professionalism etc . The club put him on the trade table on day 1 and no one was interested. He no showed at the B & F soa change of clubs might be best. Club wanted him gone and no one wanted to pay up. We had to take the magic beans.

[Dry Rot]

11, 21 and 39

#39 enables us to bid on the Bombers Tiwi Islands NGA prospect :D

[Dry Rot]

I think you need to put Hunter into perspective. He had issues at the club in regards to professionalism etc . The club put him on the trade table on day 1 and no one was interested. He no showed at the B & F soa change of clubs might be best. Club wanted him gone and no one wanted to pay up. We had to take the magic beans.

Are the Demons paying his full contract?

[Bullies]

Are the Demons paying his full contract? Nope

[GVGjr]

#39 enables us to bid on the Bombers Tiwi Islands NGA prospect :D

I haven't checked in the last 2 days but Alwyn Davey Junior hadn't confirmed father son with Essendon and I wouldn't be against picking him at 11. Pick 39 will unfortunately be pushed to the other side for 40 but it's a great observation DR.

[bulldogtragic]

I haven't checked in the last 2 days but Alwyn Davey Junior hadn't confirmed father son with Essendon and I wouldn't be against picking him at 11. Pick 39 will unfortunately be pushed to the other side for 40 but it's a great observation DR.

It comes in G, most likely. At least re Brisbane.

39 gets pushed out to 41 by Ashcroft & Fletcher. But they burn 34, 35, 36 and 38 in the process, so it comes into Pick 37 unless there's further matched bids. Hopefully no later than pick 39 just as DR points out. Spite.

[kruder]

Now we need the AFL to lock in the 5 man interchange rule, the land of the giants is going to be interesting.

[Scraggers]

Two years ago we played in a GF and for 2.5 quarters were brilliant.
This year we fell away (but had injuries and indiscretions in our midfield).

Leading into the trade period …
We needed to improve our defence, we did by replacing Cordy with Jones.
We needed to improve our ruck stock, we did by drafting Lobb.
We needed to move on some list cloggers, we did … Hunter is gone (has been less than average last two years) and Schache has followed (never really made it at this level).

I still hope we cull a few more players before lodging our final list, but all in all, I think we have achieved everything we set out to do as well as having pick/s 11,21,38 and two first rounders next year.

I know you have to pay the piper sometimes, but I also think that we will look back on this trade/draft period and smile.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

With Lobb coming in, and given we've only recruited Jones, does this mean Bruce will play back? His manager alluded to it as a possibility on trade radio.

It might explain why we were happy with just Jones and Lobb. Personally I don't think Bruce is a key defender in waiting in any regard, but something has to give because we can't play Naughty, Lobb, Bruce and Marra...

[Bulldog4life]

So we've sent 3 guys to fellow premiership contenders. We mustn't have high expectations

2 of those guys played games in the VFL this year. 3 if you include Cordy to Aints.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

With Lobb coming in, and given we've only recruited Jones, does this mean Bruce will play back? His manager alluded to it as a possibility on trade radio.

It might explain why we were happy with just Jones and Lobb. Personally I don't think Bruce is a key defender in waiting in any regard, but something has to give because we can't play Naughty, Lobb, Bruce and Marra...

Agree. I suspect one of Bruce or Naughton will go back. How I'd love to have 2 of Aaron. Bruce is apparently slimming down and getting quite fit. The guy battles hard but I'm not sure he has the pace.

Keath is broken. Cordy is gone for depth. We are so light on down back and I'm staggered we didn't do more to address this once again.

[Grantysghost]

2 of those guys played games in the VFL this year. 3 if you include Cordy to Aints.

With 21 the futures first and second which could be anything really I think we’ve done really well.

Hunter has been an issue for a while so buh bye.
Dosh Junkley doesn’t like us so buh bye.
Schache …….buh bye
Cordy. Now I’m sad to see Zaine go he’s a proper Bulldog, I think we should’ve retained him but he wanted more years.

Lobb not sure but he’s in good form
Jones hard to know but worth a go
Picks 11 and 21 do we try and get higher by packaging them? So glad we have them. Good picks.

I’d say it’s a good period as we have rotated some guys that were deadish wood and brought in some fresh faces and we can also hit the draft.

I wish Schache and Cordy all the best.

[macca]

I see Lobb as a good upgrade to Schache

We need to cut hard on some list cloggers , it will be interesting to see who gets delisted.

Surely , Martin is done now with Lobb in?

Not sure who can play wing next year with Hunter gone, but they must have a few people in mind. Please not it be McComb.

[hujsh]

I see Lobb as a good upgrade to Schache

We need to cut hard on some list cloggers , it will be interesting to see who gets delisted.

Surely , Martin is done now with Lobb in?

Not sure who can play wing next year with Hunter gone, but they must have a few people in mind. Please not it be McComb.

Potentially any of Scott, Roarke, Williams or JJ IMO

[GVGjr]

With Lobb coming in, and given we've only recruited Jones, does this mean Bruce will play back? His manager alluded to it as a possibility on trade radio.

It might explain why we were happy with just Jones and Lobb. Personally I don't think Bruce is a key defender in waiting in any regard, but something has to give because we can't play Naughty, Lobb, Bruce and Marra...

There is a chance that will happen, some are speculating that it will be Naughton but I can't see that happening.

Naughton, Lobb and Marra looks a dangerous combination if Bruce could slot into CHB

[bulldogtragic]

There is a chance that will happen, some are speculating that it will be Naughton but I can't see that happening.

Naughton, Lobb and Marra looks a dangerous combination if Bruce could slot into CHB

Since I’ve been back thinking about footy, Bruce to KPD is something I keep coming back to. He’s a great set shot, and that’s missed. But if the forward line is kicking enough goals then it’s fine. The great thing is the ability to make him a swing man. If we need him forward then he offers something other than flicking saw Lew Young forward in passed years to limited effect. If a KPF is having a quiet game, Bevo can move things around. Or if Tim’s on the bench, Lobb rucks and matchups permitting you can move Bruce forward. If Darcy is in the same side, they can be interchangeable and if the matchups aren’t right, there’s enough tall marking KPPs to move around to try to get it advantageous.

It’s certainly worth having a look at over the preseason to see if it works.

[jazzadogs]

Since I’ve been back thinking about footy, Bruce to KPD is something I keep coming back to. He’s a great set shot, and that’s missed. But if the forward line is kicking enough goals then it’s fine. The great thing is the ability to make him a swing man. If we need him forward then he offers something other than flicking saw Lew Young forward in passed years to limited effect. If a KPF is having a quiet game, Bevo can move things around. Or if Tim’s on the bench, Lobb rucks and matchups permitting you can move Bruce forward. If Darcy is in the same side, they can be interchangeable and if the matchups aren’t right, there’s enough tall marking KPPs to move around to try to get it advantageous.

It’s certainly worth having a look at over the preseason to see if it works.

Bruce is either competing with Keath and O'Brien for a spot down back, or Lobb/JUH/Naughton for a spot up forward. I know where I'd be aiming for games.

[lemmon]

Bruce at centre half back concerns me. Think you can somewhat get away with a lack of mobility and agility as a key forward - not sure you can hide it in the back 6.

[bornadog]

With 21 the futures first and second which could be anything really I think we’ve done really well.

Hunter has been an issue for a while so buh bye.
Dosh Junkley doesn’t like us so buh bye.
Schache …….buh bye
Cordy. Now I’m sad to see Zaine go he’s a proper Bulldog, I think we should’ve retained him but he wanted more years.

Lobb not sure but he’s in good form
Jones hard to know but worth a go
Picks 11 and 21 do we try and get higher by packaging them? So glad we have them. Good picks.

I’d say it’s a good period as we have rotated some guys that were deadish wood and brought in some fresh faces and we can also hit the draft.

I wish Schache and Cordy all the best.

Good post.

Next years draft said to be a good one and having two firsts is a real bonus. Hopefully Brisbane finish bottom 4.

[Vred]

Really really disappointed we didn't address our defensive issues by bringing in another defender, now really hoping our entire draft hand is used on at least two young kids (Bus, Hayes, Weedle) to fix our defense.

Otherwise, Jones is an upgrade on Cordy, Lobb is an upgrade on Schache/whoever else we played in our ruck last year, our wings have weakened, I'm confident that McLean/West can step into Dunkleys role of that high-pressure mid (McLean especially) - Overall I think we're improved although slightly.

Need another assistant coach in, need to really really nail these draft picks.

[G-Mo77]

Slept on this, or tried to. I'm far from pleased about our return and outgoings from the trade period but won't go into that too much. I really have trouble seeing what our goal is for 2023?

So we bring in Lobb and Jones which is supposed to be the icing on the cake and fill the holes needed. They do just that, I'm not going to argue.

On the other hand we really shorten our depth which was already lacking in 2022. Dunkley, Hunter, Cordy, Schache all gone and we haven't even done our delistings yet. We're going to fill our depth with inexperienced teens? It looks like we're rebuilding?

I'm really not comfortable or confident with our list management at all. We've pissed away our 2016 GF team, our 2021 team seems like a flash in the pan and is falling apart. What exactly is our plan moving forward?

[Bullies]

Potentially any of Scott, Roarke, Williams or JJ IMO I think Scott will take Hunter's wing. He is probably the best user of the ball in the side and a left footer. We lost his delivery in the last part of the year when he was out. JJ on the other wing for mine. Let him run and carry.

[MrMahatma]

I think Scott will take Hunter's wing. He is probably the best user of the ball in the side and a left footer. We lost his delivery in the last part of the year when he was out. JJ on the other wing for mine. Let him run and carry.

Yeah Scott on one.
Roark or Bedendo on the other for me. Actually… Williams did pretty well also.

Losing Lauchie hurts us on paper. His output of late has been poor so in practice possibly no difference. Will be VERY weird seeing him in Dees get up.

[Mofra]

No it wasn't
You sources are very different to mine.
I'll leave it at that.

[hujsh]

Slept on this, or tried to. I'm far from pleased about our return and outgoings from the trade period but won't go into that too much. I really have trouble seeing what our goal is for 2023?

So we bring in Lobb and Jones which is supposed to be the icing on the cake and fill the holes needed. They do just that, I'm not going to argue.

On the other hand we really shorten our depth which was already lacking in 2022. Dunkley, Hunter, Cordy, Schache all gone and we haven't even done our delistings yet. We're going to fill our depth with inexperienced teens? It looks like we're rebuilding?

I'm really not comfortable or confident with our list management at all. We've pissed away our 2016 GF team, our 2021 team seems like a flash in the pan and is falling apart. What exactly is our plan moving forward?

Dunkley: A loss of depth in the middle but... he's too good for depth. We might still have too many mids too good to be depth. If we could afford to lose someone it was from this area. Ideally not the 25 year old but more ideally the one with the worst disposal by foot

Hunter: Our best wingman on paper. A loss on paper. Hasn't been around much since 2020. No one wants him at the club. If it was just the coaches I'd be more inclined to agree it's a waste to move him on but if the players all want him out what option is there but to move him on? I'd like to know if we targeted Acres or anyone else but it sounds like more effort was put into getting another key defender (which came up short)

Cordy:...technically depth but did you want to see him play any games next year?

Schache: Depth in the position we probably need it lease aside from the CBA mids maybe. Bruce and Darcy as depth in that position should be plenty.

Realistically I think the only loss that's upsetting is Hunter because there's no replacement. Realistically it doesn't make our on field side worse in 2023 because he already wasn't playing (was even a bit of a meme that when he played we were losing more)

We need those teens coming in IMO. Some will contribute right away (like McLean and Dunkley did). Outside of Jamarra and Darcy are there any players we've drafted in the last 2 years you'd rate above 50/50 to be 100 game players? I know we want to win now but we aren't Geelong and until we can get our players cheap land and cushy sponsorship deals to rival what Geelong can, we need to also plan ahead with our drafting and compensate for the talent suck the JUH Darcy years have been on our incoming kids.

[bornadog]

Really really disappointed we didn't address our defensive issues by bringing in another defender,

Most clubs are desperate for defenders but there is very little out there and the good ones don't want to leave. You only have to look at the Saints. They were so desperate they traded for Cordy.

We need to draft a young player and develop them into the role.

[Happy Days]

You sources are very different to mine.
I'll leave it at that.

Trading him out for a nothing pick and agreeing to pay some of the years left on the deal, when our moves in the trade period (the contract offered to Dunkley) proved us to have the neccesary cap room to keep him on makes it pretty clear what our attitude was.

[G-Mo77]

Trading him out for a nothing pick and agreeing to pay some of the years left on the deal, when our moves in the trade period (the contract offered to Dunkley) proved us to have the neccesary cap room to keep him on makes it pretty clear what our attitude was.

It does but to delist him? Not a chance, no way it would have happened.

[Grantysghost]

It does but to delist him? Not a chance, no way it would have happened.

He wasn't appearing at club functions by the end, he had completely checked out of the organisation.

Delist is the last lever, I'm not sure if they'd pull it but they certainly had fallen out.

Did we ever find out who the leak was?

[The bulldog tragician]

Alright obvious parochialism aside, why do we hate Dunkley?

He's a weird unit, sure, but he's been a consummate pro on field for us and always gave his all.

Whatever his motives for leaving (of course it's money and he's gotta pay for the second house somehow and wants to be nearer to his cousin's friend's dog because it had puppies) I've frankly found the sudden hatred of him ridiculously over the top.

I say so long Dunks and thanks for all the fish. Forever a BullGod.

Isn’t it said hate is the opposite of love?

We invest emotionally in players and try to be blind to their faults. They are part of our history and our memories, even more so the group that achieved what we waited so long for. Even though I knew it was coming, and I can’t say he was ever my absolute favourite, the sight of Dunclee in a Brisbane jumper gave me a horrible jolt. We can be a bit petty and vindictive for a little while I reckon, then we’ll move on and he’ll be dead to us soon enough.

[bornadog]

Only 6 left

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe3GmcVVUAAj9qL?format=jpg&name=large

[Sedat]

Only 6 left

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe3GmcVVUAAj9qL?format=jpg&name=large
Only 1 left from Hawthorn 2015. Lists turn over very quickly in the modern game.

[Rocket Science]

Only 6 left

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe3GmcVVUAAj9qL?format=jpg&name=large

https://i.ibb.co/2878VGK/FThk1bda-AAYc-LMt.jpg (https://ibb.co/Q8F8Sym)

[hujsh]

Genuinely could not recognise Caleb

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Only 1 left from Hawthorn 2015. Lists turn over very quickly in the modern game.

That's true but I suppose a difference is that the hawks were at the end of their run whilst we were at the start.

For me it's a real shame the way that team fell apart. There's really not much that we could have done about it though. Aside from the retired players(M Boyd, Morris, Wood), others lacked discipline so were forced out (Biggs, Stringer, Dahl, Hunter), others were battlers who couldn't take that next step (Hamling, Roberts, Cordy and Dickson) and then there were the unfortunates who had to retire early (T Boyd, Picken and Smith).

I suppose Roughead and Dunkley are the ones we would have liked to keep, although Roughead was not in great form when he left (even though I'd have kept him only because of our gap in ruck and KPD positions) and we all know the Dunkley situation. JJ, like Cordy, could easily have been added to the list of players not taking another step and subsequently been traded.

Ultimately it was just unfortunate they way it all unravelled but none of us would change anything.

[Topdog]

Great summation bulldogsthru&thru

[hujsh]

Rough to call Dickson and Hamling battlers. Hamling took the next step, all the way to WA, and did actually improve.

Dickson was great, just got old and retired.

[MrMahatma]

That's true but I suppose a difference is that the hawks were at the end of their run whilst we were at the start.

For me it's a real shame the way that team fell apart. There's really not much that we could have done about it though. Aside from the retired players(M Boyd, Morris, Wood), others lacked discipline so were forced out (Biggs, Stringer, Dahl, Hunter), others were battlers who couldn't take that next step (Hamling, Roberts, Cordy and Dickson) and then there were the unfortunates who had to retire early (T Boyd, Picken and Smith).

I suppose Roughead and Dunkley are the ones we would have liked to keep, although Roughead was not in great form when he left (even though I'd have kept him only because of our gap in ruck and KPD positions) and we all know the Dunkley situation. JJ, like Cordy, could easily have been added to the list of players not taking another step and subsequently been traded.

Ultimately it was just unfortunate they way it all unravelled but none of us would change anything.

Maybe... but we refreshed and made a GF a few years later also. And we're still very much (IMO) in the window.

[1eyedog]

Only 6 left

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe3GmcVVUAAj9qL?format=jpg&name=large

For context Luke Bruest is the only Hawk left on their list from the 2015 flag.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Rough to call Dickson and Hamling battlers. Hamling took the next step, all the way to WA, and did actually improve.

Dickson was great, just got old and retired.

Battlers from a perspective that they had battled away in the VFL before joining us. Both had decent stints post premiership. Both are probably in their own bucket but i grouped them as battlers as neither really excelled after 2016 and both had come from the vfl prior.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Maybe... but we refreshed and made a GF a few years later also. And we're still very much (IMO) in the window.

What we've done post premiership wasn't the point of my post. I was just reflecting on what happened to the guys in the 2016 side. There was some exceptional talent on that list with some approaching the prime of their careers.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

David King gives some good commentary around our direction: https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/no-excuses-greats-go-headtohead-over-dogs-after-trade-period-shake-up/news-story/646c25668c8039711186d74c314915d5

He's on the money. There are no excuses. We have absolutely underachieved.

[Grantysghost]

Alright obvious parochialism aside, why do we hate Dunkley?

He's a weird unit, sure, but he's been a consummate pro on field for us and always gave his all.

Whatever his motives for leaving (of course it's money and he's gotta pay for the second house somehow and wants to be nearer to his cousin's friend's dog because it had puppies) I've frankly found the sudden hatred of him ridiculously over the top.

I say so long Dunks and thanks for all the fish. Forever a BullGod.

As a famous 20th century Swedish poet once said EW :

Listen to your heart when he's calling for you
Listen to your heart, there's nothing else you can do
I don't know where you're going and I don't know why
But listen to your heart before you tell him goodbye

[jeemak]

Rough to call Dickson and Hamling battlers. Hamling took the next step, all the way to WA, and did actually improve.

Dickson was great, just got old and retired.

And for the umpteenth time JJ finished 2nd in the Sutton medal in 2017, 7th in 2018 and 4th in 2019........! He was 10th in 2016 and 6th in 2015, and I guess you could argue he may have been traded since or during that time but he's always been picked when available and is filling a role we don't have depth within.

[Sedat]

As a famous 20th century Swedish poet once said EW :

Listen to your heart when he's calling for you
Listen to your heart, there's nothing else you can do
I don't know where you're going and I don't know why
But listen to your heart before you tell him goodbye
I prefer these musings from the same poet, even though it makes no sense whatsoever:

Walking like a man
Hitting like a hammer
She's a juvenile scam
Never was a quitter
Tasty like a raindrop
She's got the look

[Grantysghost]

I prefer these musings from the same poet, even though it makes no sense whatsoever:

Walking like a man
Hitting like a hammer
She's a juvenile scam
Never was a quitter
Tasty like a raindrop
She's got the look
Gold!

How does one become "Tasty like a Raindrop?".

I feel id be a better person if I was.

[Sedat]

Gold!

How does one become "Tasty like a Raindrop?".

I feel id be a better person if I was.
It gets better - verses 2 and 3 are pure unadulterated gibberish (but still lowkey pretty awesome to sing along to):

Fire in the ice
Naked to the t-bone
Is a lover's disguise
Banging on the head drum
Shaking like a mad bull
She's got the look

Swaying to the band
Moving like a hammer
She's a miracle man
Loving is the ocean
Kissing is the wet sand
She's got the look

[Grantysghost]

It gets better - verses 2 and 3 are pure unadulterated gibberish (but still lowkey pretty awesome to sing along to):

Fire in the ice
Naked to the t-bone
Is a lover's disguise
Banging on the head drum
Shaking like a mad bull
She's got the look

Swaying to the band
Moving like a hammer
She's a miracle man
Loving is the ocean
Kissing is the wet sand
She's got the look

Naked to the T-Bone!

[Sedat]

Naked to the T-Bone!
Channelling their inner Constanza - Koko the Monkey couldn't fit into the lyrics

[Axe Man]

It feels like Swedish to English google translate was a little off.

[jeemak]

David King gives some good commentary around our direction: https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/no-excuses-greats-go-headtohead-over-dogs-after-trade-period-shake-up/news-story/646c25668c8039711186d74c314915d5

He's on the money. There are no excuses. We have absolutely underachieved.

He was silly mentioning Darcy and JUH - talls take time.

Agree that there's no excuses now, because structurally we should be sound which is great and means that we don't have to rely solely on the midfield to keep getting us over the line.

[WBFC4FFC]

He was silly mentioning Darcy and JUH - talls take time.

Agree that there's no excuses now, because structurally we should be sound which is great and means that we don't have to rely solely on the midfield to keep getting us over the line.

Yeah that bit was silly when you consider he is tearing North a new one for giving-up on getting Cadman. He said it costs oversto get a good big into a Club. Therefore you are better off drafting and developing them.

[EasternWest]

https://i.ibb.co/2878VGK/FThk1bda-AAYc-LMt.jpg (https://ibb.co/Q8F8Sym)

Nailed it.

[Grantysghost]

Nailed it.

I think you quoted the wrong post.

Mine was the funny Roxette one.

[Dry Rot]

So where does Bruce fit into the 2023 side?

[GVGjr]

So where does Bruce fit into the 2023 side?

I think he can play a few roles for us. We did the wrong thing this year by trying to rush him back.
Play him forward if Marra and Darcy are struggling and we could use him in the back like if Keath isn't performing to the level we want.
His timing was out when he returned but the positive is his mobility looked OK.
An extra few months will help him a lot.

[EasternWest]

As a famous 20th century Swedish poet once said EW :

Listen to your heart when he's calling for you
Listen to your heart, there's nothing else you can do
I don't know where you're going and I don't know why
But listen to your heart before you tell him goodbye


I prefer these musings from the same poet, even though it makes no sense whatsoever:

Walking like a man
Hitting like a hammer
She's a juvenile scam
Never was a quitter
Tasty like a raindrop
She's got the look

Wankers.

If you're going to quote Roxette in this instance surely the only real thing to quote is:

I ran a long long way from home, to find a heart that's made of stone.


I think you quoted the wrong post.


I stand by my decision.

[bornadog]

I think he can play a few roles for us. We did the wrong thing this year by trying to rush him back.
Play him forward if Marra and Darcy are struggling and we could use him in the back like if Keath isn't performing to the level we want.
His timing was out when he returned but the positive is his mobility looked OK.
An extra few months will help him a lot.

I don't think Darcy will play forward. I think he will keep learning in the backline

[Bulldog Joe]

I don't think Darcy will play forward. I think he will keep learning in the backline

i would be expecting Darcy to kick about 10 to 12 goals for the season.

Think he will play at least some stints forward.

It will be really interesting to see how he develops with an actual pre-season.

[Swoop]

He was extremely impressive with a limited foundation and it is a little scary to think what he is capable of.

I was ho hum on Lobb but with the recruitment of experience and bigger bodies we do now have the luxury to allow both Darcy and Marra to develop in their own time without added pressure.

Darcy with a full preseason has a big ceiling and I wouldn't be surprised if he places serious pressure on senior players by the end of the 2023 season.

[Topdog]

David King gives some good commentary around our direction: https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/no-excuses-greats-go-headtohead-over-dogs-after-trade-period-shake-up/news-story/646c25668c8039711186d74c314915d5

He's on the money. There are no excuses. We have absolutely underachieved.

Yep agreed on all round on that.
This year was utterly disappointing and trade week seems to have removed all talk of the review that was going to happen. I just can't stop seeing those 30+ turnarounds that happened weekly

[Grantysghost]

Yep agreed on all round on that.
This year was utterly disappointing and trade week seems to have removed all talk of the review that was going to happen. I just can't stop seeing those 30+ turnarounds that happened weekly

My feel is was a very divided playing group. No idea why, but they certainly weren't on the same page.

I think we are capable of top 4 if it all gels together, so lets hope with the fresh faces injected into the side over the summer we are galvanised as a unit and can hit the year full of energy.

[Grantysghost]

i would be expecting Darcy to kick about 10 to 12 goals for the season.

Think he will play at least some stints forward.

It will be really interesting to see how he develops with an actual pre-season.

In the first 3 weeks right?

[hujsh]

My feel is was a very divided playing group. No idea why, but they certainly weren't on the same page.

I think we are capable of top 4 if it all gels together, so lets hope with the fresh faces injected into the side over the summer we are galvanised as a unit and can hit the year full of energy.

New senior assistant, new coach of coaches, settled playing group and, hopefully, no disruptions to staff in pre-season. Hopefully all this combined makes us more focused this coming season

[Grantysghost]

New senior assistant, new coach of coaches, settled playing group and, hopefully, no disruptions to staff in pre-season. Hopefully all this combined makes us more focused this coming season

Engrave the cup Hujsh.

[Hotdog60]

Wankers.

If you're going to quote Roxette in this instance surely the only real thing to quote is:

I ran a long long way from home, to find a heart that's made of stone.



I stand by my decision.

I should get in on this

Crash! Boom! Bang!
I find the roses dying on the floor
Crash! Boom! Bang!
That's the call, that's the game, and the pain stays the same
That's my real middle name
It has always been the same

[The Bulldogs Bite]

My feel is was a very divided playing group. No idea why, but they certainly weren't on the same page.


Seems to happen every time we get a little bit of success. It's uncanny and it's a bit of a knock on Bevo's tenure because it's happened twice. Directly after 2016 and then again directly after 2021.

[Bulldog Joe]

In the first 3 weeks right?

I do think it takes at least 2.

[Mofra]

He was extremely impressive with a limited foundation and it is a little scary to think what he is capable of.

I was ho hum on Lobb but with the recruitment of experience and bigger bodies we do now have the luxury to allow both Darcy and Marra to develop in their own time without added pressure.

Darcy with a full preseason has a big ceiling and I wouldn't be surprised if he places serious pressure on senior players by the end of the 2023 season.
Lobb in the F50 means teams simply cannot double-team Naughton. Lobb's worth it for that alone

[Mantis]

Lobb in the F50 means teams simply cannot double-team Naughton. Lobb's worth it for that alone

I really want Naughts to play further up the ground this year... really hit the wings and use his mobility and aerial game to help his win the ball across the middle of the ground. Play both Marra & Lobb I50 who I think will complement each other quite well.

[GVGjr]

I really want Naughts to play further up the ground this year... really hit the wings and use his mobility and aerial game to help his win the ball across the middle of the ground. Play both Marra & Lobb I50 who I think will complement each other quite well.

That would be a bit of a change but well worth an extended try.
Does Bruce have a role for us as a forward next season?

[Bullies]

Lobb in the F50 means teams simply cannot double-team Naughton. Lobb's worth it for that alone It also means that Marra gets the 3rd or 4th defender and not many sides have that many good defenders.

[Mantis]

That would be a bit of a change but well worth an extended try.
Does Bruce have a role for us as a forward next season?

I see Bruce & Lobb competing for the same spot and would think Lobb is well front based on 2022 form.

In my comments about planning for the trade period I thought that if Lobb was a target then Bruce was going to struggle to retain his spot... hopefully he has a big pre-season and at worst is a ready to go replacement if our 1st choice tall forwards (who I think should be Marra, Naughts & Lobb) struggle for form or get injured.

I don't see Bruce being an option in defence.

[jeemak]

I really want Naughts to play further up the ground this year... really hit the wings and use his mobility and aerial game to help his win the ball across the middle of the ground. Play both Marra & Lobb I50 who I think will complement each other quite well.

As long as someone leads at the footy/ carrier instead of running away from them at some point should we get a break I'm happy with whatever. Naughton looks great up the ground, though he scares me when ad-libs and doesn't know what to do with the footy.

[F'scary]

That would be a bit of a change but well worth an extended try.
Does Bruce have a role for us as a forward next season?

Start as FF in VFL and see how he goes. If he is playing well then we have backup for form/injuries. If he is in good form, I think he could play back as well, and talls who are out of form should not be carried week after week, so there may well be opportunities.

[F'scary]

I see Bruce & Lobb competing for the same spot and would think Lobb is well front based on 2022 form.

In my comments about planning for the trade period I thought that if Lobb was a target then Bruce was going to struggle to retain his spot... hopefully he has a big pre-season and at worst is a ready to go replacement if our 1st choice tall forwards (who I think should be Marra, Naughts & Lobb) struggle for form or get injured.

I don't see Bruce being an option in defence.

I really don't see Bruce as a second ruck option, which has to be a serious part of the Lobb role. To me Bruce is primarily in competition for the FF or CHF spots. Also, Norton has been pretty good as the ruck for the deep forward stoppages, allowing English to play a kick behind the game in those situations. Bruce has his work cut out for him to force his way back into the team, that is for sure.

[Bullies]

I really don't see Bruce as a second ruck option, which has to be a serious part of the Lobb role. To me Bruce is primarily in competition for the FF or CHF spots. Also, Norton has been pretty good as the ruck for the deep forward stoppages, allowing English to play a kick behind the game in those situations. Bruce has his work cut out for him to force his way back into the team, that is for sure. Is Bruce part of the reason they let Cordy go as Bruce can play down back if needed. Just can't see Bruce playing forward.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

I've got a feeling we'll see Bruce go back.

[F'scary]

Is Bruce part of the reason they let Cordy go as Bruce can play down back if needed. Just can't see Bruce playing forward.

I can see him doing either, but it depends on whether he recovers sufficiently from the knee reco. Having watched him since he ame to our club, he comes across to me more as a foxing type than a player who runs straight at the ball, so my support for him playing in defence is a little qualified on that point.

[Bulldog Joe]

Whatever we do forward it needs to include separation.

It does matter who gets the best defender if the main opposition is continually a team mate in the same marking contest, while they drag all of the defenders to that same spot to get all the ground balls.

[Grantysghost]

I've got a feeling we'll see Bruce go back.

Me too - the fact he was shopped around apparently means he probably doesn't have a natural fit now forward with Lobb.

I can see him trialing as a backman over the pre-season. He's still got reasonable speed.

[hujsh]

Me too - the fact he was shopped around apparently means he probably doesn't have a natural fit now forward with Lobb.

I can see him trialing as a backman over the pre-season. He's still got reasonable speed.

I'm not sure I believe that BTW.

I reckon that Bruce plays under 3 scenarios.

1. Lobb is unavailable or horribly out of form (history suggests we will play new recruits even if their form is bad)
2. JUH or Naughton are unavailable
3. JUH needs a spell in the VFL for any reason (form, fitness, to focus on areas of development for the long term)

Still a decent chance he gets into the team at some point this year. Might be hard to move out if he takes his chances.

[bornadog]

As long as someone leads at the footy/ carrier instead of running away from them at some point should we get a break I'm happy with whatever. Naughton looks great up the ground, though he scares me when ad-libs and doesn't know what to do with the footy.

I prefer him forward. He has kicked almost 100 goals in the past two years, plus he is ranked 9th for tackles inside 50. The other 8 are all smalls.

Agree he looks lost up the field, but CHF he is ok.

[mjp]

Lobb in the F50 means teams simply cannot double-team Naughton. Lobb's worth it for that alone

Since we kick it to him every time I'm pretty sure they will.

Sorry - I know I am supposed to be in the post-trade afterglow right now but recruiting new forwards doesn't create new forward entries...

[EasternWest]

Since we kick it to him every time I'm pretty sure they will.

Sorry - I know I am supposed to be in the post-trade afterglow right now but recruiting new forwards doesn't create new forward entries...

But look on the bright side, now we have TWO big guys who can legitimately try to get near the ball when we bomb it in indiscriminately from 90-70 out.

[mjp]

But look on the bright side, now we have TWO big guys who can legitimately try to get near the ball when we bomb it in indiscriminately from 90-70 out.

Now THAT'S a strategy I can get behind! Bomb it to 2 vs Bomb it to 1...that's a 100% increase!

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Since we kick it to him every time I'm pretty sure they will.

Sorry - I know I am supposed to be in the post-trade afterglow right now but recruiting new forwards doesn't create new forward entries...

Let's not forget that we just got rid of a guy who is lucky to find his foot with the ball ;)

[bornadog]

Since we kick it to him every time I'm pretty sure they will.

Sorry - I know I am supposed to be in the post-trade afterglow right now but recruiting new forwards doesn't create new forward entries...

We are in the top 4 for marks inside 50

[EasternWest]

Now THAT'S a strategy I can get behind! Bomb it to 2 vs Bomb it to 1...that's a 100% increase!

You feeling me? How can we lose?

[whythelongface]

Since we kick it to him every time I'm pretty sure they will.

Sorry - I know I am supposed to be in the post-trade afterglow right now but recruiting new forwards doesn't create new forward entries...

I don’t believe the number of entries into the forward 50 has been the problem, more a) the delivery and b) the functionality of our forward line. As others have mentioned with Lobb in the team it creates options and space. Lobb can lead as well as take pack marks.Naughton won’t be double teamed and with Marra gaining experience this potentially will be a nightmare set up for opposition defences. In theory it sounds great, let’s see how it works in practice. Bruce and Naughton worked well in ‘21. We now have Lobb, Naughton and a more experienced Marra as well as a potentially fit Bruce.

[Mofra]

Since we kick it to him every time I'm pretty sure they will.

Sorry - I know I am supposed to be in the post-trade afterglow right now but recruiting new forwards doesn't create new forward entries...
We were 4th in the comp for inside 50 entries last year, in a season in which we almost unanimously agree we under-performed.
Is creating new F50 entries really an issue?

Bombing it to a raw Khamis, battling Cordy or playing Hannan as a tall weren't winning strategies...
If Lobb makes us a tiny bit more effective with the inside 50 entries we generate, that's a net positive

[GVGjr]

How surprised were you in Lachie Hunters departure?
It was rumored for a while but very quiet until late in the piece and then the deal got done fairly quickly.
Seemed like all parties were happy to get the deal done especially given his legacy of a premiership player and being a father son.
At his best he is a very good player but I think we didn't see as much of that as we would have liked and there were a few reasons why.
I'm not going to miss him much though but will watch his performances at Melbourne.

[kruder]

I think the way the Dogs, Hunter and his manager handled the exit was well done indeed considering the circumstances.

Hunter will be missed on field there is no doubt about that, Hollands look like a ready made replacement if we want to go that way just a question if he is too vanilla at pick 11.

GVGjr any idea of Hollands speed?

[comrade]

How surprised were you in Lachie Hunters departure?
It was rumored for a while but very quiet until late in the piece and then the deal got done fairly quickly.
Seemed like all parties were happy to get the deal done especially given his legacy of a premiership player and being a father son.
At his best he is a very good player but I think we didn't see as much of that as we would have liked and there were a few reasons why.
I'm not going to miss him much though but will watch his performances at Melbourne.

I have no doubt he’ll be pretty good for Melbourne in terms of providing running power down the wings but his disposal and decision making is diabolical at times and is prone to slowing ball movement down with his 40m floaters. From all reports the penny wasn’t going to drop in his current environment and it’s a shame that it’ll take being forced out to a new club to spark a change rather than some internal motivation.

Happy he’s gone, also happy Dunks is gone. Very happy Cordy is gone. Time to load up on some young talent and aim for 2025/2026 as our next window.

Good trade period when all said and done.

[Happy Days]

How surprised were you in Lachie Hunters departure?
It was rumored for a while but very quiet until late in the piece and then the deal got done fairly quickly.
Seemed like all parties were happy to get the deal done especially given his legacy of a premiership player and being a father son.
At his best he is a very good player but I think we didn't see as much of that as we would have liked and there were a few reasons why.
I'm not going to miss him much though but will watch his performances at Melbourne.

Pretty surprised, pretty sad. He's been down for a few years and we've seen plenty of players with his body type and skill set wash out earlier than expected, but he really felt like a Dogs player and I wanted it all to just work out somehow.

[Grantysghost]

Pretty surprised, pretty sad. He's been down for a few years and we've seen plenty of players with his body type and skill set wash out earlier than expected, but he really felt like a Dogs player and I wanted it all to just work out somehow.

Are the Dees even sure they go the right bloke?

https://i.postimg.cc/50Fs4Rfz/Screenshot-20221015-105204.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

There's been no obligatory rush down to Rebel sport and get a too big or too small jumper photo.

He may be OS.

[bornadog]

How surprised were you in Lachie Hunters departure?
It was rumored for a while but very quiet until late in the piece and then the deal got done fairly quickly.
Seemed like all parties were happy to get the deal done especially given his legacy of a premiership player and being a father son.
At his best he is a very good player but I think we didn't see as much of that as we would have liked and there were a few reasons why.
I'm not going to miss him much though but will watch his performances at Melbourne.

I don't know the true reason, but seems like Dunkley and Hunter didnot get along, and Hunter had personal issues. Hunter was never the same after that car crash and his life seemed to spiral down.

I loved him as a player but he was also a little bit frustrating as Comrade pointed out.

Good luck to him and hopefully he gets his act together as he is still a relatively young player.

[hujsh]

We were 4th in the comp for inside 50 entries last year, in a season in which we almost unanimously agree we under-performed.
Is creating new F50 entries really an issue?

Bombing it to a raw Khamis, battling Cordy or playing Hannan as a tall weren't winning strategies...
If Lobb makes us a tiny bit more effective with the inside 50 entries we generate, that's a net positive

Think he means better, not more

[Swoop]

I actually think the F50 entries isn't a quality stat. I would love to see data that shows the difference between deeper and shallow entries such as F30's. No doubt clubs have access to this information which would be a real indicator of what our goal opportunities look like.

[jazzadogs]

Think he means better, not more

Yes - mjp made no mention of quantity. But he is spot on that if we continue to bomb it long to Naughton it is very easy for teams to defend that, no matter how good he is in the air.

In the game where Lobb kicked 4 goals I loved the way he lead up and took his marks out in front. I don't think our forwards create enough options for their teammates to kick to, and hope Lobb can add to that (and possibly even mould the forward line to start leading around him as well).

I think Naughton can be a high leading Nick Riewoldt type CHF. I would love to see JUH in the square, Naughton high and Lobb roaming around being a dangerous mobile target taking marks 40-50 out and slotting them every time like he did against us.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

James Rowe has been desisted by Adelaide. I wonder if we'll pick him up.

[Grantysghost]

James Rowe has been desisted by Adelaide. I wonder if we'll pick him up.

For free why not. Rather him than Martin clogging the list.

[Mitcha]

James Rowe has been desisted by Adelaide. I wonder if we'll pick him up.

Only 27 goals in 36 games doesn't scream dangerous small forward to me, prefer to look at a younger option.

[mjp]

I actually think the F50 entries isn't a quality stat. I would love to see data that shows the difference between deeper and shallow entries such as F30's. No doubt clubs have access to this information which would be a real indicator of what our goal opportunities look like.

It's the eternal issue though right.

Clubs keep shallow/deep stats but you always want more effective entries and forwards always point at mids/backs for shallow entries/slow ball movement and mids always point at lack of forward pressure...good entries aren't deep or shallow...good entries are to the advantage of a forward preferably 1 v none or 1v1.

Reality - a clear ball movement plan should result in a shot on goal between 35/40 times for every 100...so if you get 50 entries you will have around 20 shots on goal (12.8 or thereabouts). From there you will have good days when the forwards get some 50-50 free-kicks awarded and you have 23-24 shots and some not so great where you end up with 15-16 shots...

What you can't have is 60 entries (as we did) for 15 shots (as we did) because there is no come back from that.

Remember, every forward entry is an OPPO scoring opportunity IF they can chain the ball out - oppo entries OPEN UP the forward line as all the forwards empty out creating more 1v1 opportunities.

It's tricky. Will having Lobb solve any of this? No. Will it solve the 'we don't have a second ruck' problem? Yes.

So...that's one less problem to solve.

[Bulldog Joe]

For free why not. Rather him than Martin clogging the list.

But can he ruck?

[The Underdog]

How surprised were you in Lachie Hunters departure?
It was rumored for a while but very quiet until late in the piece and then the deal got done fairly quickly.
Seemed like all parties were happy to get the deal done especially given his legacy of a premiership player and being a father son.
At his best he is a very good player but I think we didn't see as much of that as we would have liked and there were a few reasons why.
I'm not going to miss him much though but will watch his performances at Melbourne.

Given he wasn’t at the B&F, not very. He was a favourite of mine for a while but his last 2 years have been very concerning. All the best to him. Seems keeping his exit on the downlow was a strategy and pretty impressive by all parties that it didn’t get out past some vague rumours.
More worried who we use as wings this year. Scott seems a pretty good bet. Roarke at his best provides some excellent run and aerial capacity as well as defensive ability but he needs to play at or near his absolute best to be best 22. Same with Scott to an extent. JJ could be another option if they don’t keep him forward.

[josie]

Given he wasn’t at the B&F, not very. He was a favourite of mine for a while but his last 2 years have been very concerning. All the best to him. Seems keeping his exit on the downlow was a strategy and pretty impressive by all parties that it didn’t get out past some vague rumours.
More worried who we use as wings this year. Scott seems a pretty good bet. Roarke at his best provides some excellent run and aerial capacity as well as defensive ability but he needs to play at or near his absolute best to be best 22. Same with Scott to an extent. JJ could be another option if they don’t keep him forward.

Agree on JJ as an option. If he improves his stamina could Marra be a surprise winger? Is he good enough below his knees? I think he showed improvement in tackling ability as he played more games this year. I think Bedendo could be tried there too. Williams & Hannan are options however I think Hannan is a bit too fumbly for my liking. Prefer Scott or Roarke.

[Mofra]

Given he wasn’t at the B&F, not very. He was a favourite of mine for a while but his last 2 years have been very concerning. All the best to him. Seems keeping his exit on the downlow was a strategy and pretty impressive by all parties that it didn’t get out past some vague rumours.
More worried who we use as wings this year. Scott seems a pretty good bet. Roarke at his best provides some excellent run and aerial capacity as well as defensive ability but he needs to play at or near his absolute best to be best 22. Same with Scott to an extent. JJ could be another option if they don’t keep him forward.
Bailey Williams had good periods on the wing as well.
He hasn't had that much exposed AFL form there after spending a lot of his career forward so we could expect both he and Scott can improve.

Interesting to see where McNeill fits in. He was an inside/outside mid in the SANFL but has seemed most at home applying pressure as a HF. He might get an extended wing run during pre-season too.
As you allude to though, we don't have stand-out candidates

[bornadog]

Bailey Williams had good periods on the wing as well.
He hasn't had that much exposed AFL form there after spending a lot of his career forward so we could expect both he and Scott can improve.

Interesting to see where McNeill fits in. He was an inside/outside mid in the SANFL but has seemed most at home applying pressure as a HF. He might get an extended wing run during pre-season too.
As you allude to though, we don't have stand-out candidates

I like Scott on the wing, played some good games and was top ten in AFL for linking back half to front half. (Bont top 5)

PS: Williams you mean Backline not Forward

[Hotdog60]

Could Daniel become a winger? Smart user thinks on the move and would have the endurance to run. Also we can stop seeing too many miss matches in defense.

[ledge]

Which would we prefer Rowe or Arts , I’m extremely surprised Arts was delisted.

[bornadog]

Which would we prefer Rowe or Arts , I’m extremely surprised Arts was delisted.

I prefer Arts

[ledge]

Me too . Seems harder at the ball and a bit of you know what in him.

[jazzadogs]

I prefer Arts

Aarts was good in 2021 but really struggled this year.

I'm not convinced by either of them but would say Aarts is more genuine crumber and Rowe is more of a Tory Dickson.

[DOG GOD]

I prefer Arts

Yep, same.

[Swoop]

I prefer Garcia. I think we have better internal options and potential solutions through the draft compared to what's out there in delisted land.

[Mofra]

I like Scott on the wing, played some good games and was top ten in AFL for linking back half to front half. (Bont top 5)

PS: Williams you mean Backline not Forward
Yes, and correct I meant backline. Whoops

[Mofra]

Which would we prefer Rowe or Arts , I’m extremely surprised Arts was delisted.
Rowe ahead of Aarts, and it's an uninspiring choice.
Rowe at least has a bit of the Sam Lloyd's about him.

Having said that, wait until the rookie or PSD draft because if Charlie Clarke lasts until our pick 21 I'm not sure we'd take either

[Bulldog Joe]

Which would we prefer Rowe or Arts , I’m extremely surprised Arts was delisted.

If the choice is A or B I choose C

[Happy Days]

https://twitter.com/FOXFOOTY/status/1548234279682859009?s=20&t=MmZPwfViPnatniPGy_cb4Q

This guy? No way.

[Grantysghost]

Rowe ahead of Aarts, and it's an uninspiring choice.
Rowe at least has a bit of the Sam Lloyd's about him.

Having said that, wait until the rookie or PSD draft because if Charlie Clarke lasts until our pick 21 I'm not sure we'd take either

He looked very good in the GF.

If we snag him I'll be super happy.

Brent Harvey's son looks a winner too.

Re Ashcroft, he looks clean but he's pretty small for a mid these days not sure if he's a clear #1.

Cadman looks better to me.

[Mofra]

Re Ashcroft, he looks clean but he's pretty small for a mid these days not sure if he's a clear #1.
182cm, a shade under 6 foot?
Lachie Neale is 178cm, Matt Rowell 180cm, Zac Bailey 182cm, Chad Warner 181cm, Luke Parker 183cm, etc

Ashcroft's plenty big enough.

[Grantysghost]

182cm, a shade under 6 foot?
Lachie Neale is 178cm, Matt Rowell 180cm, Zac Bailey 182cm, Chad Warner 181cm, Luke Parker 183cm, etc

Ashcroft's plenty big enough.

Those guys are solid many of them through the core. He looks smaller in frame to me.

Clearly very good.

[azabob]

GG are you sure, 100% sure you are not a lions supporter?

1. First piece of evidence you wanted the bulldogs to take the lions first offer for Dunkley on the trade table

2. Now you are playing down how good Ashcroft is and wanting Brisbane not to pay full quid!!!

[Grantysghost]

GG are you sure, 100% sure you are not a lions supporter?

1. First piece of evidence you wanted the bulldogs to take the lions first offer for Dunkley on the trade table

2. Now you are playing down how good Ashcroft is and wanting Brisbane not to pay full quid!!!

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0xeLrIPECxr5KrEA/giphy.gif

[kruder]

Mitch Wallis has just announced he won't be at the Bulldogs next year. I'm guessing he will retire?

[GVGjr]

Mitch Wallis has just announced he won't be at the Bulldogs next year.

That's big news considering a couple of weeks back we had apparently had been prepared to offer him a one year deal.

We need to be firm and practical with moving players on and as much as we all seemed to have loved Wallis he wasn't going to muc h of an option for us next season.

[kruder]

That's big news considering a couple of weeks back we had apparently had been prepared to offer him a one year deal.

We need to be firm and practical with moving players on and as much as we all seemed to have loved Wallis he wasn't going to muc h of an option for us next season.


Yeah it's the right decision.

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfO6qQ7VEAISKg3?format=jpg&name=900x900

[kruder]

Was kind of keen to see Parker with a good run at it considering our wing situation but yeah Butler hasn't shown enough for mine.

[hujsh]

Two strikes on that wing position. Really need someone to come good there

[The Bulldogs Bite]

Good decisions.

We're finally cutting deep enough.

Suspect we keep Martin which is genuinely ridiculous, but everything else we've done is spot on.

[SquirrelGrip]

Good decisions.

We're finally cutting deep enough.

Suspect we keep Martin which is genuinely ridiculous, but everything else we've done is spot on.

We will keep Martin until we know for sure that someone better is available, at which time he'll slip off quietly in the night.

[bulldogtragic]

We will keep Martin until we know for sure that someone better is available, at which time he'll slip off quietly in the night.

I wonder if the club does give him a year and if he gets injured next year the plan is for him to retire before the mid season draft and grab the best performing state ruck we can get for the rest of 2023?

That said, I disagree, and he should’ve announced his retirement by now.

[azabob]

I wonder if the club does give him a year and if he gets injured next year the plan is for him to retire before the mid season draft and grab the best performing state ruck we can get for the rest of 2023?

That said, I disagree, and he should’ve announced his retirement by now.

Majority of woof thought he would retire mid season during 2022 as he was injured and take a pick in the mid season draft.

[bulldogtragic]

Since I’ve been back thinking about footy, Bruce to KPD is something I keep coming back to. He’s a great set shot, and that’s missed. But if the forward line is kicking enough goals then it’s fine. The great thing is the ability to make him a swing man. If we need him forward then he offers something other than flicking saw Lew Young forward in passed years to limited effect. If a KPF is having a quiet game, Bevo can move things around. Or if Tim’s on the bench, Lobb rucks and matchups permitting you can move Bruce forward. If Darcy is in the same side, they can be interchangeable and if the matchups aren’t right, there’s enough tall marking KPPs to move around to try to get it advantageous.

It’s certainly worth having a look at over the preseason to see if it works.


Bruce is either competing with Keath and O'Brien for a spot down back, or Lobb/JUH/Naughton for a spot up forward. I know where I'd be aiming for games.

If Keath can return to being the interceptor gun backman (or better next year than O’Brien) he was at the crows (eliminating O’Brien), and Jones takes the best forward. I wonder if Bruce can do a job on the bigger, stronger gorilla types (or resting, lumbering ruck) with strength and mature experience? That’s a handy and versatile three KPD’s if it works, with Gardner also in the mix too.

It might be for naught, but if they can get this working that Jones, Bruce & Keath with Gardner (Bruce can play swing man too). The apparent 205cm+ super tall afel quality ability mix of Tim, Lobb & Darcy. With them rotating through the forward line with Naughton & Marra.

If the theory works, and limited injuries permitting, the ‘talls’ take care of themselves. What’s then the game plan to give the backs the best chance of success and what’s the game plan for giving the forwards the best chance for success? A team with Bont, Jack, Libba, Treloar & Smith should win enough of the footy. How does that factor in to who to play on the wings? Who’s the best runners that are prepared to get back and help defend, but also get dangerous going forward? The wings seem like the weakness in the Deathstar. We’re big and imposing in the key personnel, but the wingers could end up deciding the success of moves like Lobb, Jones and Bruce back and how successful the forward craft is rewarded.

Can Daniel be spared to go and play wing? He fits two way running, defending and excellent forward entries?
JJ. Pace, but can he defend well enough and can he hit enough targets going forward.
Roarke. A blue collar gives everything he can, even with limitations.
VDM. The little I’ve seen I don’t like. He was drafted as a back flanker. Move him up?
McLean. Does he have the knees to carry the workload?
Bailey Williams. The preseason he trained as a mid was a bust, but can he play wing on the outside?
Scott. Can he do it?
Crozier seems lost to footy now. He was a forward and back at Freo. Since there’s little to lose, does he get thrown a wing at VFL level like Schache was thrown into defence?

Do we need a wing specialist? Or can we rotate one wing in game between Dale, Daniel, Williams &/or Richards?

Can anyone in particular offer a real point of difference to the mix in the middle of the ground?
Who do you trust most to run both ways all game?
Who do you trust most in the defensive half?
Who do you trust most to offer it ‘lace out’ to Naughton, Marra, Lobb and co?

Or are there DFA’s from wings (ie Phillips) or guys that didn’t hold down inside midfield roles (ie Narkle) that are worth punting the ‘last spot on our list’ on?

Are there gun wingers at state level that deserve a shot through the rookie draft?

Lots of questions I know.

[azabob]

Stef Martin has retired.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

Here we go then! 6 spots open. How do we fill them with our picks? Are we a chance to split a pick?

[bulldogtragic]

Here we go then! 6 spots open. How do we fill them with our picks? Are we a chance to split a pick?

Giddy up.

7 off main list - 2 in = 5 spots
1 off rookie list = 1 spot (currently)

4 picks/spots open to the draft (possibly trading in a future pick into this draft)
1 DFA

1 rookie draft pick

[The Bulldogs Bite]

These are the best list decisions our club has made in a long, long time.

[Grantysghost]

How do we trade up to Sheezel ! He's my #1. I've been watching the Vic Metro v WA.

Darcy Jones WA and Sheezel VIC M both super stars.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Good decisions.

We're finally cutting deep enough.

Suspect we keep Martin which is genuinely ridiculous, but everything else we've done is spot on.

Mostly I think we get it pretty right

Occasionally we are too loyal - but Im sure that generates plenty of positivity amongst players knowing we will give them a real shot to make it, and wont turf them away at 30

Some see it as lacking ruthlessness, but the other way of viewing is that we stand by our people and Im sure that creates significant benefit for the club

[GVGjr]

I think we have made the right decisions and after a difficult trade periods we know have an idea of the spots we need to fill.

Parker just never looked up to speed even at the state level and based on what I saw it wasn't really worth persevering with him.
Butler is probably a harsh decision but he didn't make enough of an impression to get another season.
We all love Wallis but he wasn't going to play much of a role for us next season so the tough call needed to be made.
Martin did the right thing by retiring.

Schache, Hunter, Cordy and Dunkley have moved on

[GVGjr]

Does anyone think it's a possible scenario that if we didn't get Lobb through the trade period we might have convinced Martin into staying?

[azabob]

Does anyone think it's a possible scenario that if we didn't get Lobb through the trade period we might have convinced Martin into staying?

Most definitely. I thought we were still heading down this path.

If we didn't get Lobb, I could've lived with keeping Martin for another year.

[GVGjr]

Most definitely. I thought we were still heading down this path.

If we didn't get Lobb, I could've lived with keeping Martin for another year.

We still needed another ruckman so I wonder what if we are going to address it or not.

[bulldogtragic]

These are the best list decisions our club has made in a long, long time.

Yep. A really balanced period by Sam Power.

Imagine our Pick 12 (after Ashcroft pushed it back one). Say there’s two kids we love. We pick one. Say the other kid is there at Pick 15 (into 16) and GWS are happy to trade it for Brisbane 2023 First Rounder and probably a small sweetener. (GWS have a heap of top picks and I can see them pushing a 2022 first into 2023). We then draft what we considered to be the two best talents available at Pick 12. Then adding on Pick 21 & 39.

Lobb, Jones, two best kids we see at Pick 12, Picks 21 & 39

Then in 2023 a First, a Second, 3 x Fourths (possible F/S)

While exiting fringe, older and/or distracted players for what we could get. Getting from Dunkley a First, Second, Second Upgrade & Fourth.

Sam Power walks away pretty happy.


Edit: Like drafting Pickett with our first pick, and trading into GWS pick 15 to select Weightman.

[bornadog]

Do any rookie's get upgraded to the main list? eg Roarke Smith has been a rookie for ever.

[bornadog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfPnKgJVsAAVOOQ?format=jpg&name=large

[GVGjr]

Yep. A really balanced period by Sam Power.

Imagine our Pick 12 (after Ashcroft pushed it back one). Say there’s two kids we love. We pick one. Say the other kid is there at Pick 15 (into 16) and GWS are happy to trade it for Brisbane 2023 First Rounder and probably a small sweetener. (GWS have a heap of top picks and I can see them pushing a first into 2023. We then draft what we considered to be the two best talents available at Pick 12. Then adding on Pick 21 & 39.

Lobb, Jones, two best kids we see at Pick 12, Picks 21 & 39

Then in 2023 a First, a Second, 3 x Fourths (possible F/S)

While exiting fringe, older and/or distracted players for what we could get. Getting from Dunkley a First, Second, Second Upgrade & Fourth.

Sam Power walks away pretty happy.

It gives us some opportunities and I'd always tend to lean on getting players too the club earlier than later.
The gap between picks 21 and 39 will be an agonizing wait :)

[Sedat]

Does anyone think it's a possible scenario that if we didn't get Lobb through the trade period we might have convinced Martin into staying?
Possibly, but I have no regrets about us getting Martin when we did (even at his age). We were about 37 minutes away from it being an absolute master stroke in 2021 - he really did put Max Gawn to sleep for 2.5 quarters in that GF.

Nobody bags Hawthorn for drafting a 125kg (at the time) Stewart Dew 12 months before winning the 2008 premiership.

[bornadog]

The cuts to the list are about average we cut every year ie 8. Some years have been higher and some slightly lower.

[EasternWest]

Possibly, but I have no regrets about us getting Martin when we did (even at his age). We were about 37 minutes away from it being an absolute master stroke in 2021 - he really did put Max Gawn to sleep for 2.5 quarters in that GF.

Nobody bags Hawthorn for drafting a 125kg (at the time) Stewart Dew 12 months before winning the 2008 premiership.

Nor Geelong for getting Mumford off the meat pies.

[GVGjr]

Possibly, but I have no regrets about us getting Martin when we did (even at his age). We were about 37 minutes away from it being an absolute master stroke in 2021 - he really did put Max Gawn to sleep for 2.5 quarters in that GF.

Nobody bags Hawthorn for drafting a 125kg (at the time) Stewart Dew 12 months before winning the 2008 premiership.

Martin was a decent risk but I'm not so sure why we weren't more proactive at the end of last year to get a replacement ready like we should have.

[bornadog]

Martin was a decent risk but I'm not so sure why we weren't more proactive at the end of last year to get a replacement ready like we should have.

Didn't we chase a few like Soldo?

[GVGjr]

These are the best list decisions our club has made in a long, long time.

It certainly looks like we have made the right changes. Do we know if that is it now?