Terry Wallace cost us a flag: Luke Darcy

[angelopetraglia]

Bang, take that Terry.

Terry Wallace cost us a flag: Luke Darcy

* Sam Edmund
* From: Herald Sun
* July 30, 2010 1:57PM

LUKE Darcy says the Western Bulldogs would have won a premiership in the late 1990s if then-coach Terry Wallace had been able to cope with feedback from players.

Throwing his support behind the much-debated Leading Teams concept, Darcy claimed Wallace’s refusal to listen to the playing group cost the club a flag.

“It is my absolute belief that the Bulldogs would have won a premiership in the late ’90s had the coach felt secure enough in himself to accept input from the playing group,” Darcy wrote in an explosive column the AFL website.

“Unfortunately, Terry Wallace wasn’t the right character to handle this feedback; he believed that players meeting among themselves would lead to discontent. Not surprisingly, the Richmond players shared a similar experience following Terry’s five-year stint at Tigerland.

“When you create an environment that doesn’t allow people below you in a team to challenge your ideas, it makes it hard for them to develop and improve.”

Article in full: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/terry-wallace-cost-us-a-flag-luke-darcy/story-e6frf9jf-1225899041655

[Ozza]

Its a pretty strong article from Darce...and not surprisingly has grab a headline as a result.

I'm not super impressed that it will be a discussion point.

[AndrewP6]

Very strong, forthright views expressed in this one. I wonder if the by-line had a different name, whether the public response would change? He certainly hasn't pulled the punches.

I think claiming that the Leading Team approach would have stopped Carey's life from going 'off the rails' is a bit of a stretch.

[Remi Moses]

Gotta say it's that long ago it's probably irrelevant. Wallace on SEN has got his back up,saying he could name players who let us down. Funny I think Terry's got a touch of the Akers and never made a mistake.

I.e put a player in the hole in front of Jarman!

[Remi Moses]

Very strong, forthright views expressed in this one. I wonder if the by-line had a different name, whether the public response would change? He certainly hasn't pulled the punches.

I think claiming that the Leading Team approach would have stopped Carey's life from going 'off the rails' is a bit of a stretch.

Got no love for Wallace but I think Darce has gone to far.

[G-Mo77]

Don't want to open up old wounds Darce.

The 97 loss hurt so much! That game is just one I want to wipe from my memory.

[mighty_west]

Not too sure what Darce has to achieve by writing something like this.

Those finals are long gone, Wallace has also been gone a long time from the club.

What's the point!

[Danny the snakeman]

A bit harsh by Darcy,we also may of won if he put in alittle more of an effort,either way its something we'll never know.As Wallace said on SEN its alot easier to say these things looking back.

[Happy Days]

Not too sure what Darce has to achieve by writing something like this.

Those finals are long gone, Wallace has also been gone a long time from the club.

What's the point!

I don't think he was having a dig at Wallace directly, more backing up the leading teams concept.

The way in which he went about it was poorly thought out though.

[Throughandthrough]

If Darcy could kick straight from 25 metres out straight in front........

[chef]

Don't want to open up old wounds Darce.

The 97 loss hurt so much! That game is just one I want to wipe from my memory.

Me too, I would prefer not to think about it.

[ledge]

I think Luke loves the club and has been sucked into commenting through Akers stirring, its a go at Aker more than anything.
The club itself is not getting sucked in , let the people who love the club that are involved in the media deal with him.
Interesting postcript is if Aker goes into the TV media, I would say 90% of the former players who do media dont agree with Aker, who would want to work with him?

[Ghost Dog]

Not too sure what Darce has to achieve by writing something like this.

Those finals are long gone, Wallace has also been gone a long time from the club.

What's the point!

Right Mighty_wester.

I think a lot of people are being dragged into the swirling murky, negative wake of the HMS Akermanis.

Bit of a cheap shot don't you think Luke?

Football clubs are like any community. Lots of different kinds of people. I'm not sure the leading teams program would have worked for Gary Ablett Senior, Tony Lockett or Poly Farmer. One size does not fit all.

Anyway, In Jason's case, it never became an issue until his mate Sam Newman made it one. .

In short, don't like the negative vibes frankly.

[Before I Die]

Right Mighty_wester.

I think a lot of people are being dragged into the swirling murky, negative wake of the HMS Akermanis.

Bit of a cheap shot don't you think Luke?

Football clubs are like any community. Lots of different kinds of people. I'm not sure the leading teams program would have worked for Gary Ablett Senior, Tony Lockett or Poly Farmer. One size does not fit all.

Anyway, In Jason's case, it never became an issue until his mate Sam Newman made it one. .

In short, don't like the negative vibes frankly.

Or, alternatively, the Leading Teams program may have got these two a premiership medal.

Not sure why you grouped Polly Farmer with the other two?

[chef]

I would have thought kicking 0.6 in the last quarter was a bigger factor in us not making the GF. To repeat Wallets words, cheap shot at an easy target.

[Ghost Dog]

Or, alternatively, the Leading Teams program may have got these two a premiership medal.

How would it have done that? How would the leading teams program have helped Gary Ablett Senior kick 10 goals instead of 9.1? It's a pretty big stretch. :rolleyes:

P. Farmer was not afraid to give his view and was famously outspoken. Hence the name 'Polly' the parrot.

Anyway, part of it is it's a new thing. Players would probably be used to leading teams if it was there from day one and they could see the benefits. The only players who seem to question it are the has-beens.

I've had to do similar things at work and Uni before, years ago. It gets to the stage, after a while, where you find ways to get around seeing it as being highly personal and just take suggestions on board without getting your back up. However, at first it's really challenging.

[LostDoggy]

I would have thought kicking 0.6 in the last quarter was a bigger factor in us not making the GF. To repeat Wallets words, cheap shot at an easy target.

Totally agree, never forget Mark West missing that running goal right in front.

[LostDoggy]

[QUOTE=Ghost Dog;167692

I think a lot of people are being dragged into the swirling murky, negative wake of the HMS Akermanis.

Bit of a cheap shot don't you think Luke?

Football clubs are like any community. Lots of different kinds of people. I'm not sure the leading teams program would have worked for Gary Ablett Senior, Tony Lockett or Poly Farmer. One size does not fit all.

Anyway, In Jason's case, it never became an issue until his mate Sam Newman made it one. .

In short, don't like the negative vibes frankly.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree Ghost Dog, we have had enough of the negatives........we have got to look forward now, not back. It's done and dusted and a part of history and whilst it still hurts more than I care to recall, nothing will change it. I, for one, would rather look forward to September 2010 with lots of positive energy:D

[Dry Rot]

The OP and the article raises an interesting point - how does Eade cope with this I wonder?

[Sockeye Salmon]

I would have thought kicking 0.6 in the last quarter was a bigger factor in us not making the GF. To repeat Wallets words, cheap shot at an easy target.

Letting Nigel Smart tear us a new one at CHF when the best CHB of our generation was in the goalsquare freezing his knackers.

Letting Darren Jarman go beserk at FF on Todd Curley while Steve Kretiuk was nowhere to be seen.

Wallace can't walk away from a least his share of the blame. I won't even start on '98.

[chef]

Letting Nigel Smart tear us a new one at CHF when the best CHB of our generation was in the goalsquare freezing his knackers.

Letting Darren Jarman go beserk at FF on Todd Curley while Steve Kretiuk was nowhere to be seen.

Wallace can't walk away from a least his share of the blame. I won't even start on '98.

I agree with that, but the players have to take their share of responsibility too(and the majority would). We can't back away from the fact we had half a dozen chances to ice the game in the last quarter but we didn't take any of these.

It is as much the players fault as it is Wallets(IMO anyway).

[hujsh]

I agree with that, but the players have to take their share of responsibility too(and the majority would). We can't back away from the fact we had half a dozen chances to ice the game in the last quarter but we didn't take any of these.

It is as much the players fault as it is Wallets(IMO anyway).

Don't forget he was talking about 97 98 and 99 in his article not just one year

[LostDoggy]

Letting Nigel Smart tear us a new one at CHF when the best CHB of our generation was in the goalsquare freezing his knackers.

Letting Darren Jarman go beserk at FF on Todd Curley while Steve Kretiuk was nowhere to be seen.

Wallace can't walk away from a least his share of the blame. I won't even start on '98.

Agree.. Grant in the hole for the last 5 minutes we win a flag

[LostDoggy]

Was the Libba goal, really a goal?

My mates to this day still claim it was, they were sitting right there. I didn't get a good look at it because i was in the Southern Stand, but they are 100% positive that it was.

[Sedat]

Wallace can't walk away from a least his share of the blame. I won't even start on '98.

Agree with that, but potting Teflon's coaching tactics on the day is a completely different argument from the suggestion that his inability to deal with player feedback cost us a flag. When we were 4 goals up at 3/4 tims of the 97 prelim, I doubt very much that the so-called lack of player feedback was much of a problem.

I reckon Darce has led with his chin on this article - by all means write a positive article on Leading Teams but there was no need to discredit Teflon's coaching record for us in the process (which to be fair was very good from 97-99), not to mention Pagan's in winning 2 flags. This article and subsequent fall-out has done nothing other than add some unnecessary oxygen to the tired old thrown-out piece of fish & chip paper that is the Aker sacking.

[LostDoggy]

Totally agree, never forget Mark West missing that running goal right in front.

Me neither, unfortunately. Wasn't Chris Grant standing by himself in the goal square? :(