Jasper
05-09-2010, 09:34 PM
Its amazing how these two quality football people's careers have collided. Playing the Swans, if Roos loses it will be his last game as coach. If we lose, Roos gives a big dent in Eade's future.
But rather than just calling for Eade's head, could we look at something else?? Something different, a review like Geelong, a turnaround post Eade like Sydney, yet better for us and Eade and the players?
At season's end, I reckon Paul Roos should be brought in as a consultant to help the Dogs review our operations, not to replace Eade, but to review things, as someone who coached under him, knows Eade's strengths and weaknesses, and how players would be reacting. I believe Roos would be well placed to understand requisite Assistant coach and management personality types that can best complement Eade if he is to stay.
I was looking for articles trying to track back what happened when Eade was replaced by Roos, and I found the below Big footy thread which I found spooky in some its thoughts about Eade.
I also kept seeing how Kirk's career blossomed after Eade left and Roos took over. To be fair to Eade, Gilbee blossomed after Eade took over, I recall speaking to Gilbee at the time of our darkest years, and remember thinking he was all but gone if Rhode stayed.
I have bolded some bits of interest from a Big Footy article comparing Eade and Roos.
I am interested in what people think about reviewing our operations and if we could get Roos (big if) whether we should use him. And if Roos is not available is there someone else from that era in Sydney with knowledge to help (and yes I know we have Paul Williams and Barry Hall, could there be somone else??)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=288874
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wollongong Represent
Another thread got me thinking about the part that both men played in Sydney's success. I was glad the Swans let Eade go in 2002, but only because his ideas were a bit stale. He is however responsible for recruiting and developing 15 of the 22 premiership players from 2005. He was in charge when the Swans recruited 4 of the top 5 figures at the club (Roos, Hall, Goodes, Kirk) with Barry being the exception.
Under Eade:
2001 - LRT, Hall, Schneider, Kennelly (elevated).
2000 - Buchanan (first time round), Ablett, Williams (now retired obviously)
1999 - O'Keefe, Ball, Kirk
1998 - Fosdike, Bolton
1997 - Goodes
1995 - Roos, Crouch, Matthews
So is Rodney Eade the forgotten man in Sydney's success or has Paul Roos done far better than Eade would of if he had stayed on???
Response: Charlie G
Recruiting, yes. Developing, no.
LRT, Schneider and Ablett had not played a game under Eade. Buchanan had played two. None of them are Rocket's players, in my opinion.
Barry Hall had only been there for half a season, but he was nowhere near the leader he is today. Goodes was an erratic floater who'd been told to do so many different things he had no idea of what his role was - Roos actually told him to do what he thought best, and since then he's won two Brownlows. If you'd said in round 12, 2002 that Kirk would become a captain and b&f winner, you would have been laughed at.
Jude Bolton and Nic Fosdike were promising kids, but both were behind where they should have been after nearly 60 games. Tadhg Kennelly had played less than 20 games and Roosy's first game as coach was probably the breakthrough game for him. Ryan O'Keefe had played about twenty games and, (to be fair to Rocket) due to family tragedy, was not exactly on Planet Football at the time Roos took over.
At the other extreme, Jason Ball and Paul Williams were accomplished players before they arrived at the Swans to play under Rocket. I'll give Rocket his due with some players. He got more out of Mathews than Roos could, and he turned Micky into a star and gave Leo a sense of purpose in 2001 after years of floating around the forward line. But his development record was at best patchy and at worst downright poor.
But rather than just calling for Eade's head, could we look at something else?? Something different, a review like Geelong, a turnaround post Eade like Sydney, yet better for us and Eade and the players?
At season's end, I reckon Paul Roos should be brought in as a consultant to help the Dogs review our operations, not to replace Eade, but to review things, as someone who coached under him, knows Eade's strengths and weaknesses, and how players would be reacting. I believe Roos would be well placed to understand requisite Assistant coach and management personality types that can best complement Eade if he is to stay.
I was looking for articles trying to track back what happened when Eade was replaced by Roos, and I found the below Big footy thread which I found spooky in some its thoughts about Eade.
I also kept seeing how Kirk's career blossomed after Eade left and Roos took over. To be fair to Eade, Gilbee blossomed after Eade took over, I recall speaking to Gilbee at the time of our darkest years, and remember thinking he was all but gone if Rhode stayed.
I have bolded some bits of interest from a Big Footy article comparing Eade and Roos.
I am interested in what people think about reviewing our operations and if we could get Roos (big if) whether we should use him. And if Roos is not available is there someone else from that era in Sydney with knowledge to help (and yes I know we have Paul Williams and Barry Hall, could there be somone else??)
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=288874
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wollongong Represent
Another thread got me thinking about the part that both men played in Sydney's success. I was glad the Swans let Eade go in 2002, but only because his ideas were a bit stale. He is however responsible for recruiting and developing 15 of the 22 premiership players from 2005. He was in charge when the Swans recruited 4 of the top 5 figures at the club (Roos, Hall, Goodes, Kirk) with Barry being the exception.
Under Eade:
2001 - LRT, Hall, Schneider, Kennelly (elevated).
2000 - Buchanan (first time round), Ablett, Williams (now retired obviously)
1999 - O'Keefe, Ball, Kirk
1998 - Fosdike, Bolton
1997 - Goodes
1995 - Roos, Crouch, Matthews
So is Rodney Eade the forgotten man in Sydney's success or has Paul Roos done far better than Eade would of if he had stayed on???
Response: Charlie G
Recruiting, yes. Developing, no.
LRT, Schneider and Ablett had not played a game under Eade. Buchanan had played two. None of them are Rocket's players, in my opinion.
Barry Hall had only been there for half a season, but he was nowhere near the leader he is today. Goodes was an erratic floater who'd been told to do so many different things he had no idea of what his role was - Roos actually told him to do what he thought best, and since then he's won two Brownlows. If you'd said in round 12, 2002 that Kirk would become a captain and b&f winner, you would have been laughed at.
Jude Bolton and Nic Fosdike were promising kids, but both were behind where they should have been after nearly 60 games. Tadhg Kennelly had played less than 20 games and Roosy's first game as coach was probably the breakthrough game for him. Ryan O'Keefe had played about twenty games and, (to be fair to Rocket) due to family tragedy, was not exactly on Planet Football at the time Roos took over.
At the other extreme, Jason Ball and Paul Williams were accomplished players before they arrived at the Swans to play under Rocket. I'll give Rocket his due with some players. He got more out of Mathews than Roos could, and he turned Micky into a star and gave Leo a sense of purpose in 2001 after years of floating around the forward line. But his development record was at best patchy and at worst downright poor.