You are right Mantis. His off field antics were the reason the Hawks traded him.
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Gary Ablett Snr's problems were a lot more serious and significant than Jake's. Albeit probably proportional to the times. Jake has punctuality, personal and attitude related problems. Gary Snr's were with the law.
Nonetheless, point taken and agreed with by yours truely. A strong club culture is built on being strong.
I'm not sure Hawthorn got much for Gary. It's not often talked about, but the reason he left Hawthorn was pretty much due to his incarceration in the Beechworth Prison. Neighbouring club, Myrtleford, arranged for day release for him to play for them on Saturdays. After his time was served, he was recruited by Tommy Hafey at Geelong. Word was that Gary being removed from his Melbourne environment (with his wayward nature and dubious connections) would be good for him. Therefore no real trade of note.
Comparisons between Jake and Gary are unfair on Jake - both on and off the field!
No, but Ablett was a 3 game player who was a lunatic (and cruel with it, the way only country boys can be) off field with at a club with a new coach (Jeans and you didn't *!*!*!*! around with Alan Jeans) that was looking to make a point. Jake is an AA Premiership player with other clubs slathering over him so there's a bit of a difference.
Just as a matter of interest if the boot was on the other foot, Jake plays for Esendon, has shit the nest and we want him to come to us. How does that play out? Do we still somehow get bent over in your world?
Paul Connors is the key to this. We need to get on the front foot early and say to Paul Connors and Jakes go to person (Alex?) and say it's a top 10 pick or he stays. Or whatever we think he's worth.
He is on record saying that he tends to steer his players in the direction of the club who is in a position to get a trade done.
As in a club who can satisfy the club who is trading the player i.e The Dogs.
If you don't want to go crazy, I suggest avoiding social media and talkback radio for the next few weeks.
Here were some of the suggestions.
Stringer straight swap for Goldstein
Stringer and Crameri for Laverde and Langford
I may be alone on this but I think Goldie has peaked and is now going to trend downwards.
A top ten pick and a player with a possible upside and 10 years left in the game.
BTW I hope the penny drops with Jake and he commits to the club.
SEN reporting Richmond are interested in Stringer. From GVGs first post, 9 & 26 for 15 & 16 gets us about par on draft points, so that could be half of an interesting trade. But signing Dusty to more than they otherwise might have thought would bust their cap. Do they have players that we could target as a the second part, that earn good money to free their cap up? I haven't watched much of them, but is Rioli someone that could get it done and/or gettable? Or who else? If they can't free their cap, Jake's not going there.
In: 15, 16, Rioli/Other
Out: 9, 26, Stringer