Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Like Gentleman John being around the club all year?
Do you really believe he is there to offer ruck advice?
He is clearly there to offer wisdom, leadership, promote loyalty, model being a great guy etc. He promotes the virtues that Beveridge wants. He isn't a ruck coach, he is a life coach.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Jones
Do you really believe he is there to offer ruck advice?
He is clearly there to offer wisdom, leadership, promote loyalty, model being a great guy etc. He promotes the virtues that Beveridge wants. He isn't a ruck coach, he is a life coach.
I think a part time ruck coach isn't a bad idea. Almost all clubs have one. Especially for English to learn the craft to develop into the player we want him to be. That's all.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
I think a part time ruck coach isn't a bad idea. Almost all clubs have one. Especially for English to learn the craft to develop into the player we want him to be. That's all.
I agree with having one, just that it is crazy to go with traditional ruck coach pedagogy when Bevo is so alternative/unique with his theories.
Bevo is a bit of a revolutionist with the ruck (I'm claiming he stole my ideas!). Hard to find someone experienced in a skill set that is something so modern. Maybe the best man for the job is someone currently in the game. Roughy seems to get Bevo's ruck philosophy. Combined with King's knowledge while doing the stoppages.
By the way: you say 'almost all clubs'. One thing I love about the 2016 Bulldogs is we don't give a stuff about group think. Almost all clubs thought 168cm was too short to play AFL.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Jones
I agree with having one, just that it is crazy to go with traditional ruck coach pedagogy when Bevo is so alternative/unique with his theories.
Bevo is a bit of a revolutionist with the ruck (I'm claiming he stole my ideas!). Hard to find someone experienced in a skill set that is something so modern. Maybe the best man for the job is someone currently in the game. Roughy seems to get Bevo's ruck philosophy. Combined with King's knowledge while doing the stoppages.
By the way: you say 'almost all clubs'. One thing I love about the 2016 Bulldogs is we don't give a stuff about group think. Almost all clubs thought 168cm was too short to play AFL.
I think Bevo's coaching philosophy was copied from Clarko.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Jones
I agree with having one, just that it is crazy to go with traditional ruck coach pedagogy when Bevo is so alternative/unique with his theories.
Bevo is a bit of a revolutionist with the ruck (I'm claiming he stole my ideas!). Hard to find someone experienced in a skill set that is something so modern. Maybe the best man for the job is someone currently in the game. Roughy seems to get Bevo's ruck philosophy.
Roughy was stood down from the leadership group to concentrate on his fitness, form and finding continuity. In his spare time he coaches a women's team. Whilst he's a very good egg, but giving him responsibility for English's development, a responsibility that usually falls to an assistant ruck coach may detract from his attention on his own body & form. Potentially impacting on Roughy himself and upon English if his development is impacted. I like what Roughy has done since being told to focus on himself and don't want him to jeopardise that, and I'm a tradionalist that likes player development in the hands of specialist assistant coaches. As a teammate and buddy/mentor that's cool. I'm sure Bevo can find a like minded assistant. I'm sure if you email the club your ruck philosophies that you can take your teaching to the next level!! (Our new forwardline coach started as a school teacher)
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Roughy was stood down from the leadership group to concentrate on his fitness, form and finding continuity. In his spare time he coaches a women's team. Whilst he's a very good egg, but giving him responsibility for English's development, a responsibility that usually falls to an assistant ruck coach may detract from his attention on his own body & form. Potentially impacting on Roughy himself and upon English if his development is impacted. I like what Roughy has done since being told to focus on himself and don't want him to jeopardise that, and I'm a tradionalist that likes player development in the hands of specialist assistant coaches. As a teammate and buddy/mentor that's cool. I'm sure Bevo can find a like minded assistant. I'm sure if you email the club your ruck philosophies that you can take your teaching to the next level!! (Our new forwardline coach started as a school teacher)
Yep that's a fair enough call on Roughy. More of a buddy than a mentor for sure.
I agree a ruck coach could help, I am just finding the suggestions a bit old school i.e. Will Minson.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Rocco Jones
Yep that's a fair enough call on Roughy. More of a buddy than a mentor for sure.
I agree a ruck coach could help, I am just finding the suggestions a bit old school i.e. Will Minson.
I thought Kingy did the ruck coaching, so I am not sure why others are calling for a part time ruck coach
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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bornadog
I thought Kingy did the ruck coaching, so I am not sure why others are calling for a part time ruck coach
That's fine if he is, as a former big AFEL player. The discussion was around having someone or not.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
I thought Kingy did the ruck coaching, so I am not sure why others are calling for a part time ruck coach
Yeah me too. Surely you can do stoppages and part time ruck duties. Can be a good thing having the same person as they are rather inter-connected. Maybe Bevo is so revolutionary he just sees ruck seamlessly a part of stoppages.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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bornadog
I think Bevo's coaching philosophy was copied from Clarko.
Wouldn't say copied. A ittle bit of Clarko in Bevo's coaching but a whole lot of Bevo's ideas.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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bornadog
I think Bevo's coaching philosophy was copied from Clarko.
How has Bevo's style changed from when he was coaching St Bedes to premierships 8 years ago to now?
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
How about Minno as a part time ruck coach and mentor (as Collingwood were going to do with him). He loves the club, the players love him. He's an All Australian ruckman with nearly 200 games experience and a contemporary understanding of how most current frontline rucks work in the league.
He's spending the next year travelling, hence he retired prior to the rookie draft
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Topdog
How has Bevo's style changed from when he was coaching St Bedes to premierships 8 years ago to now?
My comment was about ruck philosophy, don't take my comment out of context.
Bevo has his ideas and has also picked up ideas over the years from Malthouse and Clarko and then formulated his own plans.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
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Bulldog4life
Wouldn't say copied. A ittle bit of Clarko in Bevo's coaching but a whole lot of Bevo's ideas.
We were talking RUCKS. Bevo was the backline coach at Hawthorn.
Re: Welcome to the Bulldogs - Tim English
English seems to have a touch of the Robert Murphy about him.
Very articulate and thoughtful.
Could become another cult hero.
Maybe the 'Gentleman' tag will be passed on.
'Gentleman' Tim English.
Tall blonde articulate well spoken and well mannered ruck man...................... And Brownlow medalist no doubt.