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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
anfo27
In fairness Cloke had Selwood holding the ball. If the umpire heard my reaction to that decision he would of paid 2 50m penalties.
I saw it as a definite in the back. Given Selwood didn't dispose of the ball properly Cloke didn't need to get into his back at all, but did, because he's not very smart.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Murphy'sLore
I wish we hadn't dropped Fletcher Roberts and Zaine Cordy.
I do like what Adams can do but he's costing us at least 1 goal a game do to really poor decisions. Roberts wouldn't have done that tonight. He should not have been dropped.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
anfo27
In fairness Cloke had Selwood holding the ball. If the umpire heard my reaction to that decision he would of paid 2 50m penalties.
Yep Selwood incorrect disposal and then dives forward and Cloke falls on top, no wonder Cloke went off. How many times were Geelong caught with the ball and incorrect disposal and it is play on.
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
I saw it as a definite in the back. Given Selwood didn't dispose of the ball properly Cloke didn't need to get into his back at all, but did, because he's not very smart.
Can't agree.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
I hope we get a chance before Taylor retires to rub his nose in it.
How many chances do we need?
No wonder Geelong think little of us.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
G-Mo77
I do like what Adams can do but he's costing us at least 1 goal a game do to really poor decisions. Roberts wouldn't have done that tonight. He should not have been dropped.
Roberts can't defend one on one.. Adams did that pretty well.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
I saw it as a definite in the back. Given Selwood didn't dispose of the ball properly Cloke didn't need to get into his back at all, but did, because he's not very smart.
That was definitely holding the ball first.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
kruder
ahh Clay Smith. Ive had enough of us kicking it long to him over the top. It doesn't work surely the players have worked that out by now. Actually surely the coaches have work it out too?
We lack leadership in the big moments there is no doubt about that.
Smith has a turning circle of a Boeing 777, why put it on his head or over it? He can't turn around quick enough.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
Bevo had a stinker!
Stop Dangerwood, stop Geelong... but we just let them run free.
So disappointing, the lack of intensity and smarts in the last qtr was disturbing.
He has had a poor year in the box Bevo. We lack on field leadership also there is no doubt about that.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
That was definitely holding the ball first.
That's my view too. Except it was Selwood, so the rules don't apply.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
That was definitely holding the ball first.
It can't be, if the tackle is in the back.
If Cloke didn't get in his back the umpire doesn't blow the whistle. Should have, but wouldn't have because it was Selwood. The only call the umpire making in that situation was one for an illegal tackle.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
kruder
He has had a poor year in the box Bevo. We lack on field leadership also there is no doubt about that.
This was a poorly selected team without any height on the backline. Roberts and Cordy should have played. We played Taylor back into form as a forward.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
It's a good point, but my initial reaction without seeing a replay was there was a clear tackle/incorrect disposal which should've been whistled before Selwood milked the contact. They gave him a lot of time. Doesn't excuse the 50.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
It can't be, if the tackle is in the back.
If Cloke didn't get in his back the umpire doesn't blow the whistle. Should have, but wouldn't have because it was Selwood. The only call the umpire making in that situation was one for an illegal tackle.
Selwood went to kick the ball and had a fresh air, the in the back happened after that when Selwood dived forward and taking Cloke with him.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Nuggety Back Pocket
This was a poorly selected team without any height on the backline. Roberts and Cordy should have played. We played Taylor back into form as a forward.
Why was Roberts dropped anyway?
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Nuggety Back Pocket
This was a poorly selected team without any height on the backline. Roberts and Cordy should have played. We played Taylor back into form as a forward.
Only one of them needed to play... Probably Cordy.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
I saw it as a definite in the back. Given Selwood didn't dispose of the ball properly Cloke didn't need to get into his back at all, but did, because he's not very smart.
Can't agree with that. Cloke hung onto the tackle too long but it was holding the ball way before it was in the back. You pay the first free kick first everyday of the week.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
Selwood went to kick the ball and had a fresh air, the in the back happened after that when Selwood dived forward and taking Cloke with him.
They just showed it, suggest you watch it again.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
anfo27
Can't agree with that. Cloke hung onto the tackle too long but it was holding the ball way before it was in the back. You pay the first free kick first everyday of the week.
I'm sorry but you can't if it's an illegal tackle.
What's so hard to understand about that?
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
They just showed it, suggest you watch it again.
You're better than me mate. Couldn't stand listening to the cheer squad anymore. Switched it off
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
I'm sorry but you can't if it's an illegal tackle.
What's so hard to understand about that?
Easy. It was a legal tackle when he dropped the footy. You pay the first free kick first, whats so hard to understand about that?
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
G-Mo77
You're better than me mate. Couldn't stand listening to the cheer squad anymore. Switched it off
Me too as soon as the siren went
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
Ok Cloke or Redpath boys? When Roughead returns to partner Boyd in the ruck I cant see us playing all of them.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
On a positive note I was really pleased with Tom Boyd' game. He took a big step forward tonight.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
anfo27
On a positive note I was really pleased with Tom Boyd' game. He took a big step forward tonight.
20 disposals, 2 goals, 33 hitouts
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
kruder
Ok Cloke or Redpath boys? When Roughead returns to partner Boyd in the ruck I cant see us playing all of them.
Redpath is a good VFL footballer. Had a chance to make it less than a goal with plenty of time and stuffed the set shot. He has one job: convert chances. If he can't do that, he's useless to us.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
anfo27
Easy. It was a legal tackle when he dropped the footy. You pay the first free kick first, whats so hard to understand about that?
It's the same as when a legal tackle slips above the shoulders and a player has their head ripped off. Even if the player drops the footy before the high contact the free for too high will be paid.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
comrade
Redpath is a good VFL footballer. Had a chance to make it less than a goal with plenty of time and stuffed the set shot. He has one job: convert chances. If he can't do that, he's useless to us.
You were making up excuses for an easier shot from Boyd earlier in the game. It happens, bad kixking is bad football. It was heart breaking seeing them ram it home from 45 to outside 50m consistantly.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
They get EVERYTHING down here..!
Catching train home just shaking my head the whole way. The Murphy holding the ball decision was an ABSOLUTE STINKER!!!!!
I had a woman behind me actually chastise me for her foot being crushed because I stood up to celebrate a goal, and when I sat down, she'd let it drift between my fold up seat and backrest when I sat back down.
When I stood up and applauded our goals in the third, I (and my mates) was continually told to "siddown!."
I relish the opportunity to do this mob in September... If we get there..! Need to extract the digit and play four quarters..
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
Mate sitting next to me on the train just said to me, "I haven't been treated like that in Adelaide, Perth or Sydney - ever!"
Geelong's a rough, rough, insular little city. A trip down here turns a team that you might've had no problem with into a team you will openly despise!!! It's a rough little town filled with some very backward, unlikable people!
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Nuggety Back Pocket
This was a poorly selected team without any height on the backline. Roberts and Cordy should have played. We played Taylor back into form as a forward.
Our selection was fine. Look back at each of Taylor's goals and tell me hat playing an extra tall would have prevented them. It was our running backs who got us back into the match.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
We lost this game with a bad 2nd quarter - not even one point kicked . The ball spent the whole time in their F50.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
Very disappointed once again is all I can say.
We simply lost this game because we did not play 4 quarters. The 1st and 3rd quarters from us were very good but the 2nd was absolutely woeful. The 4th term we did a bit more compared to the 2nd but not enough of what we did in the 3rd which was our best of the night.
12.9 with our kicking is an improvement and Dickson was a big help in that area.
Players I thought who did well: Wallis, Jong, Wood is a great intercepter, Bob although that fumble at the end of the 2nd was Unmurph like. Dale, Williams were alright. Smith was ok as well.
Overall very disappointed the result and losing for the 2nd week in a row on a Friday night. We are back at home next week at Etihad and must get a win there before the bye and go 6-4.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
We lost this game with a bad 2nd quarter - not even one point kicked . The ball spent the whole time in their F50.
51-48 inside 50 in their favour tonight so relatively even but yeah just could not get anything going our way that quarter. Had we played that 2nd quarter like we did the 3rd we probably would have won tonight.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
anfo27
In fairness Cloke had Selwood holding the ball. If the umpire heard my reaction to that decision he would of paid 2 50m penalties.
He did. It was at least an 85 metre penalty
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Originally Posted by
kruder
ahh Clay Smith. Ive had enough of us kicking it long to him over the top. It doesn't work surely the players have worked that out by now. Actually surely the coaches have work it out too?
We lack leadership in the big moments there is no doubt about that.
Every opposition team has worked it out and park 3 intercept markers deep in defence. We won a premiership be dropping our eyes and hitting targets. Now we've gone back to long bombs to Snake.
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
I saw it as a definite in the back. Given Selwood didn't dispose of the ball properly Cloke didn't need to get into his back at all, but did, because he's not very smart.
Thought Selwood sucked the umpire in and fell forward. Cloke had nowhere else to go.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Nuggety Back Pocket
This was a poorly selected team without any height on the backline. Roberts and Cordy should have played. We played Taylor back into form as a forward.
Disagree. From memory none of their goals came from marks where they outsized their opponent, almost all came from spillages around the 45m mark or from centre clearances.
Adams and Wood dominated the air, as demonstrated by their main big man Hawkins doing stuff all.
Our selection was poor because in a game where their only strength is their midfield, we failed to counter that effectively. In hindsight Libba would have been good for that, despite his shite form, and McLean is another who seems to have a knack of influencing ball ups, including at crucial stages of the match.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
Positives:
Wally
Wood
Dale
Boyd
Jong
Some poor decisions by our players, poor disposal and terrible second cost us in the end. We allowed their key players to get the game on their terms.
Disappointing. We need a big second half of the year - starting next week.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
soupaman
Disagree. From memory none of their goals came from marks where they outsized their opponent, almost all came from spillages around the 45m mark or from centre clearances.
Adams and Wood dominated the air, as demonstrated by their main big man Hawkins doing stuff all.
Our selection was poor because in a game where their only strength is their midfield, we failed to counter that effectively. In hindsight Libba would have been good for that, despite his shite form, and McLean is another who seems to have a knack of influencing ball ups, including at crucial stages of the match.
Some good thoughts. Playing Roberts and or Cordy would have given us the flexibility to move Adams and Cordy forward at some stage. Redpath and Cloke with just 3 goals between them just wasn't enough. I agree on the midfield. Would have preferred to have retained Libba. Dangerfield Selwood and Duncan played very well as did Wallis who was fantastic after missing so much football after a serious injury and Jong likewise was very good.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
G-Mo77
You were making up excuses for an easier shot from Boyd earlier in the game. It happens, bad kixking is bad football. It was heart breaking seeing them ram it home from 45 to outside 50m consistantly.
I wasn't defending Boyd, just stating a fact. Until his tank improves, we'll have to accept his kicking won't be spot on but he gives us so much more around the ground you take the good with the bad.
Redpath rarely leaves the 50, barely touches the ball, couldn't impact contests all night and then has a rare chance to influence the game and he fluffs it. Inexcusable.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
Nuggety Back Pocket
Some good thoughts. Playing Roberts and or Cordy would have given us the flexibility to move Adams and Cordy forward at some stage. Redpath and Cloke with just 3 goals between them just wasn't enough. I agree on the midfield. Would have preferred to have retained Libba. Dangerfield Selwood and Duncan played very well as did Wallis who was fantastic after missing so much football after a serious injury and Jong likewise was very good.
Still not sold on throwing Adams or Cordy up forward. Redpath and Cloke should have been big enough. The fact Bont seemed to play full forward for half the match with two defenders was confusing knowing this, but I don't see how bringing in another immobile tall helps that scenario.
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Re: Game Day Round 9, 2017 - Geelong V Western Bulldogs
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Originally Posted by
soupaman
Disagree. From memory none of their goals came from marks where they outsized their opponent, almost all came from spillages around the 45m mark or from centre clearances.
Adams and Wood dominated the air, as demonstrated by their main big man Hawkins doing stuff all.
Our selection was poor because in a game where their only strength is their midfield, we failed to counter that effectively. In hindsight Libba would have been good for that, despite his shite form, and McLean is another who seems to have a knack of influencing ball ups, including at crucial stages of the match.
Harry Taylor had five marks and 5 goals, no one seemed to be on him. They had 12 set shots and didn't miss.
I agree with NBP, we were one tall short in the backline. We only had Adams as a 193cm backman. Morris is no good against talls, and Wood has to constantly use his jumping ability to get high - not easy to do.