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ASADA issues show-cause notices to Essendon players
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ESSENDON players have reportedly been issued with show-cause notices by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.
News Corp is reporting ASADA served the notices on players on Thursday following a 16-month probe into the club's 2012 supplements program.
Any players or officials found guilty of doping offences face suspension from all sport.
But the process of deciding whether anyone is guilty could take years, with legal action a certainty.
Show-cause notices require players to explain why they should not be handed infraction notices for breaching the WADA drug code.
If ASADA doesn’t accept the explanation they then compile a report on each player that may have breached the code. This report is then given to an independent group of experts who assess the evidence and decide whether an infraction notice should be issued by ASADA and the AFL.
If an infraction notice is issued, the player would be suspended immediately until the issue is resolved.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-1...doping-notices
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I wonder if Disco has been served too?
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And here we go!!!
Wonder how they'll justify bringing the demigod back come years end?
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ReLoad
I wonder if Disco has been served too?
Whilst we cling to the hope that he won't be, I think realism is going to win out over optimism in this particular case.
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SlimPickens
And here we go!!!
Wonder how they'll justify bringing the demigod back come years end?
They can't possibly now. Hird's a dead duck.
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So it begins. It will be interesting to see who had been served.
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Looks like other clubs involved ie with former Bombers players
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-1...-asada/5519856
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There were 40 players on the list. 34 have been hit so the rumours go.
Stew is odds on to have a show cause, moreso than not.
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bulldogtragic
There were 40 players on the list. 34 have been hit so the rumours go.
34 players and all of them in relation to Thymosin Beta 4. Worst possible result for the Scum - all the hot air over AOD simply a diversionary tactic - TB4 was the end game for ASADA.
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Webby
They can't possibly now. Hird's a dead duck.
You're trying to apply rationality and logic to the filth.
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Good. I hope Essendon are decimated as a result of the next stage of proceedings.
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SonofScray
Good. I hope Essendon are decimated as a result of the next stage of proceedings.
Good sentiment but it won't serve us or the league if that happens
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GVGjr
Good sentiment but it won't serve us or the league if that happens
I reckon it is a bitter pill that the game needs to swallow. If the 34 players (Crameri included) have been found to have taken a banned substance, the future health of the game demands that the players are suspended for the 2 year maximum and that whatever fats befalls Essendon, so be it.
On the surface, the Essendon doping regime is every bit as cynical and outside the rules as the East German athletes of the 70's or the cycling teams from the late 90's - if it means they close their doors, it is a price the game simply needs to pay.
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Sedat
I reckon it is a bitter pill that the game needs to swallow. If the 34 players (Crameri included) have been found to have taken a banned substance, the future health of the game demands that the players are suspended for the 2 year maximum and that whatever fats befalls Essendon, so be it.
On the surface, the Essendon doping regime is every bit as cynical and outside the rules as the East German athletes of the 70's or the cycling teams from the late 90's - if it means they close their doors, it is a price the game simply needs to pay.
Agree. If it hurts us as well, so be it. Our league is already compromised in many ways, which also needs addressing, but I'm not prepared to cop doping at all. There has to be consequences. Harsh enough that it ensures no Club tries it on ever again.
It'd be a great piece of football history to have Essendon fold as a result of being outed as blatant cheats (again). The game would survive, one way or another.
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Where the Bombers of 2012 are now.
PLAYERS STILL AT ESSENDON
Mark Baguley
Tom Bellchambers
Alex Browne
Jake Carlisle
Travis Colyer
Lauchlan Dalgleish
Alwyn Davey
Cory Dell'Olio
Courtenay Dempsey
Dustin Fletcher
Kyle Hardingham
Dyson Heppell
Michael Hibberd
Heath Hocking
Cale Hooker
Ben Howlett
Michael Hurley
Leroy Jetta
Elliott Kavanagh
Jake Melksham
Jackson Merrett
David Myers
Nick O’Brien
Tayte Pears
Patrick Ryder
Brent Stanton
Ariel Steinberg
Jobe Watson
Jason Winderlich
David Zaharakis
PLAYERS AT OTHER CLUBS
Stewart Crameri (Western Bulldogs)
Scott Gumbleton (Fremantle)
Angus Monfries (Port Adelaide)
PLAYERS NO LONGER ON ESSENDON/AFL LISTS
Luke Davis
Ricky Dyson
David Hille
Hal Hunter
Brendan Lee
Sam Lonergan
Anthony Long
Nathan Lovett-Murray
Mark McVeigh
Brent Prismall
Kyle Reimers
Michael Ross
Henry Slattery
From the AFL website.
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Don't like this from the Age article:
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Fairfax Media was still trying to ascertain those 2012 players who have avoided show-cause notices on Thursday night. The club had 46 players on its senior and rookie lists in 2012, and have 29 players from 2012 - including rookies - on its list now. A number of players have left the club, including Angus Monfries, now at Port Adelaide, and Stuart Crameri, now at the Bulldogs. It is believed Monfries and Crameri have both received notices.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...#ixzz34QmJ8kch
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I have been quite vocal about my views with in my group about this, in regards to Crameri. I will be furious at our club if they have not entered something in his contract to protect us.
At this stage, I am pretty P off about it. We do not need this. It will could prove costly to us.
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Max469
I have been quite vocal about my views with in my group about this, in regards to Crameri. I will be furious at our club if they have not entered something in his contract to protect us.
At this stage, I am pretty P off about it. We do not need this. It will could costly to us.
I think heads would have to roll in a scenario where we lose a player in these circumstances. It'd be terribly unfortunate but a fair chunk of the Football Dept would have to be held accountable.
Hopefully the Club went in with a few options to safe guard our investment, or have grounds to bleed EFC dry if there are any. Not certain of how it all works.
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What else did we expect? It seriously is a case of 'buyer beware' and if we get stung it sits on no ones shoulders but our own. I like Stew and think he has been a good pick up but we knew what we were getting into. I'd have a vastly different opinion if the ASADA stuff came out after we'd made our enquiries but as is we'll have to cop sweet whatever comes.
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Is Brent Prismall still employeed at the club?
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I'm really enjoying the measured, intelligent and diverse debate on this issue here on WOOF.
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Players that have been given show-cause notices can simply cooperate fully with ASADA and they could get their sanctions cut by as much as half. I know what I'd be advising Crameri, Gumbleton and Monfries to do if I was their current employer. And what will the likes of Reimers, Lonergan and other potentially disgruntled ex players do? I'm guessing that they will sing like canaries, then the current players will follow, being faced with minimum 2 years away from their job, then surely legal action will be taken against the club by angry players being denied their livelihood. That's when things will get interesting for EFC.
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Sedat
Players that have been given show-cause notices can simply cooperate fully with ASADA and they could get their sanctions cut by as much as half. I know what I'd be advising Crameri, Gumbleton and Monfries to do if I was their current employer. And what will the likes of Reimers, Lonergan and other potentially disgruntled ex players do? I'm guessing that they will sing like canaries, then the current players will follow, being faced with minimum 2 years away from their job, then surely legal action will be taken against the club by angry players being denied their livelihood. That's when things will get interesting for EFC.
Yep I can see this moving from ASADA v Essendon to Players v Essendon pretty quickly. The foundations of the club will be rocked and it will all be the responsibility of one man. Their messiah.
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1eyedog
Yep I can see this moving from ASADA v Essendon to Players v Essendon pretty quickly. The foundations of the club will be rocked and it will all be the responsibility of one man. Their messiah.
Turns out, "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!";)
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KT31
Turns out, "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!";)
“There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not”
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KT31
Turns out, "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!";)
Love your posts KT31, always with great humour. :D
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bornadog
Love your posts KT31, always with great humour. :D
Yeah it was quick and funny. I enjoyed it.
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Now the question becomes how long this will be dragged through the courts for? Are we even going to get a decision for the next 24 months?
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Good point Lemmon.
Gerard Whateley on 360 pointed out that this whole episode ruined 2013 for the dons, will likely ruin 2014 and if they go down the legal route, you can potentially knock out 2015 and 2016 as well.
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Anyone see the Little presser - he is playing the 'essendon is the victim' card. FFS the club has brought this on themselves. Sure there maybe issues with the whole process but the players are the concern not Essendon FC as a whole.
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This is now just getting ridiculous. Get the 17 Presidents together, tell Essendon to take their medicine and have this finished with or else see ya. If they fail in this latest action they are done.
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whythelongface
Anyone see the Little presser - he is playing the 'essendon is the victim' card. FFS the club has brought this on themselves. Sure there maybe issues with the whole process but the players are the concern not Essendon FC as a whole.
I don't think anyone was buying his 'defending our players' honour,' line. Typical Essendon arrogance, he was smirking all the way through.
The sort of arguments and technicalities popping up reminded me of times sitting in with the Union and someone about to be sacked, when at the heart of it, they know they've stuffed up and are just making you do the dance as a matter of course rather than any real passionate defence of themselves.
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I think Essendon actually have a interesting case, but it'll be pretty sad if they get off on what it looks like they're challenging.
Basically, the premise of what their argument should be is that ASADA should have only requested the AFL provide them with information rather than run a joint investigation.
So, by running a joint investigation, it breaches the intentions of the ASADA act and invalidates the findings of the investigation.
It's a interesting argument which could get the players off the hook on a technically and make bombers fans even more insufferable
Either way administrative law is neither quick nor cheap to fight in the courts, this is going to take a while longer and will probably end with a HCA hearing
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KT31
Turns out, "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!";)
Yet he's in Paris singing, "Always look on the bright side of life..."
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I wonder where Peter Gordon and the other presidents sit in this.
Hypothetically, imagine if that club was us, we would have been thrown to the wolves and been booted from the AFL last year.
The way little/Hird are carrying on reminds me a lot of Lance Armstrong, fought ferociously, but in the end knew he did wrong.
If Hird and Little admitted guilt last year this would have been all over already.
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ReLoad
I wonder where Peter Gordon and the other presidents sit in this.
Hypothetically, imagine if that club was us, we would have been thrown to the wolves and been booted from the AFL last year.
The way little/Hird are carrying on reminds me a lot of Lance Armstrong, fought ferociously, but in the end knew he did wrong.
If Hird and Little admitted guilt last year this would have been all over already.
The AFL totally deserve this, as they've spent the last few decades building the entire competition on a handful of pillar clubs, and now their precious Big Four member has turned rotten, the whole structure is at risk of burning down. Screw Essendon, the AFL are watching their next TV rights deal go up in smoke.
It makes the football anarchist giddy with delight.
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Sedat
Players that have been given show-cause notices can simply cooperate fully with ASADA and they could get their sanctions cut by as much as half. I know what I'd be advising Crameri, Gumbleton and Monfries to do if I was their current employer. And what will the likes of Reimers, Lonergan and other potentially disgruntled ex players do? I'm guessing that they will sing like canaries, then the current players will follow, being faced with minimum 2 years away from their job, then surely legal action will be taken against the club by angry players being denied their livelihood. That's when things will get interesting for EFC.
I think this might be best outcome for Crameri and Dogs. I feel sorry for the players - even though they should have had alarms bells ringing with weird injections into stomach. And believe it or not, I also feel sorry for some of their supporters (the ones who wanted Hird to resign that is).
Let's hope some of the current Essendon players also comply and then want out of the club asap. I'd willingly play vulture, however obscene this sounds.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...616-zs9z2.html
I get the feeling the tide is turning and the pressure will mount for the Bombers to accept the penalties dished out by ASADA/ AFL. Another whole chapter then opens up on what happens then but I think everybody has had a gutful. Get this damn thing off the back of the papers and focus on the footy again.
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If you have ten minutes, read this! Very interesting for anyone interested in the technical and legal aspects of the Federal Court claims. Very interesting.
http://sociallitigator.com/2014/06/1...s-on-the-full/
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hotdog
This is now just getting ridiculous. Get the 17 Presidents together, tell Essendon to take their medicine and have this finished with or else see ya. If they fail in this latest action they are done.
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hotdog
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...616-zs9z2.html
I get the feeling the tide is turning and the pressure will mount for the Bombers to accept the penalties dished out by ASADA/ AFL. Another whole chapter then opens up on what happens then but I think everybody has had a gutful. Get this damn thing off the back of the papers and focus on the footy again.
You were right with that one.