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Offseason recruiting priorities
We're all well aware of the gaping holes in our list. Each offseason gives us a chance to address some of these areas, but only so much, especially this year if list sizes will be cut. So what should our priorities be? Which areas should we address first and foremost? What type of players should we go after?
Off the top of my head, the main areas of concern, in no particular order are:
1. Speed
2. Small forwards (with natural goal sense and speed who can rove packs and apply pressure)
3. A big bodied full back who can take the opposition monster forwards
4. A ruckman who can work in tandem with Tim
5. Players with decent foot skills
6. Defensive mids
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1. Speed
2. X-Factor small forward
3. Gorilla-tier lockdown defender for those monster forwards like Charlie Dixon
I think, that's all we need.
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Quality small forward and we once again should go all out for the best available.
Re. the gorilla full back we just aren't going to after one because this type of player is not on Bevo's to get list. Just have to start playing Lew Young. Similarly, we don't need another ruckman until we fully assess where Sweet is at.
While Vander and Smith's rise has addressed some of our speed issues we need speed inside the contest, an explosive speedy mid that unfortunately looks highly unlikely in the short term.
The focus should be to trade in best available small forward and look at drafting the best available speedy midfielder.
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1eyedog
Quality small forward and we once again should go all out for the best available.
Re. the gorilla full back we just aren't going to after one because this type of player is not on Bevo's to get list. Just have to start playing Lew Young. Similarly, we don't need another ruckman until we fully assess where Sweet is at.
While Vander and Smith's rise has addressed some of our speed issues we need speed inside the contest, an explosive speedy mid that unfortunately looks highly unlikely in the short term.
The focus should be to trade in best available small forward and look at drafting the best available speedy midfielder.
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I think the club has tried to address the speed issue to add to JJ, Richards with Smith, Vandermeer, Cavarra.
Another speedy midfielder would be handy
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Josh Kelly and Tom Papley. Work backwards from those two as the mould.
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bornadog
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I think the club has tried to address the speed issue to add to JJ, Richards with Smith, Vandermeer, Cavarra.
Another speedy midfielder would be handy
Yeah we're very one paced at the source and have to revert to flicking the ball around way too much to get it to the outside.
I agree Papley and Kelly are the right prototypes.
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1eyedog
Similarly, we don't need another ruckman until we fully assess where Sweet is at.
I agree that we won't chase a ruckman of any note, however assuming Tregove is gone at year end we surely need another young ruckman or state league type as insurance for English and Sweet.
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1eyedog
Yeah we're very one paced at the source and have to revert to flicking the ball around way too much to get it to the outside.
I agree Papley and Kelly are the right prototypes.
I actually like Ainsworth from the Suns as a potential Papley. Only 22. Maybe doesn’t kick enough goals only 3 so far this season. But that type of thinking is what I hope we are doing.
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Axe Man
I agree that we won't chase a ruckman of any note, however assuming Tregove is gone at year end we surely need another young ruckman or state league type as insurance for English and Sweet.
Agreed. I'd be looking at later picks or state leagues. Makes it difficult when we've essentially had a gap year in the VFL though. It will be a speculative pick I think purely for back up but I also wonder if Bevo even views three ruckman on the list as desireable.
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Grantysghost
Josh Kelly and Tom Papley. Work backwards from those two as the mould.
We have a few needs but I suspect we might just go hard at one player via free agency
It will be interesting to see who we might target
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GVGjr
We have a few needs but I suspect we might just go hard at one player via free agency
It will be interesting to see who we might target
I like Sedat's thoughts on Williams, he is just what we need.
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Vred
1. Speed
2. X-Factor small forward
3. Gorilla-tier lockdown defender for those monster forwards like Charlie Dixon
I think, that's all we need.
Likewise here
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All, well most, of the X factor small speedy forwards are indigenous players. I know it's kind of wrong in a way to racially profile a 'type' like that but it seems to be true. We are screaming out for a Charlie Cameron type, and with JUH landing next year I really hope we're trying to address our lack of indigenous talent, and trying to find pace and X factor at the same time.
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1eyedog
Quality small forward and we once again should go all out for the best available.
Re. the gorilla full back we just aren't going to after one because this type of player is not on Bevo's to get list. Just have to start playing Lew Young. Similarly, we don't need another ruckman until we fully assess where Sweet is at.
While Vander and Smith's rise has addressed some of our speed issues we need speed inside the contest, an explosive speedy mid that unfortunately looks highly unlikely in the short term.
The focus should be to trade in best available small forward and look at drafting the best available speedy midfielder.
Can Smith be this guy?
I agree with the line of thinking that speed and a small forward are our most pressing needs.
Others will know more than me but I don't think we'll have much currency with draft picks this year as most of it will be going towards JUH and Raak. We might have to be shrewd at the trade table and target some moneyball free agents.
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Dancin' Douggy
All, well most, of the X factor small speedy forwards are indigenous players. I know it's kind of wrong in a way to racially profile a 'type' like that but it seems to be true. We are screaming out for a Charlie Cameron type, and with JUH landing next year I really hope we're trying to address our lack of indigenous talent, and trying to find pace and X factor at the same time.
Yeah we haven't had much luck in this regard lately. Missing out on Impey, then Wingard, then Martin but also having the Saints and Dees swoop in before us in the draft to grab Long and Pickett respectively. Long was the most annoying, especially seeing his progress now and knowing him well from Footscray.
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bulldogsthru&thru
Yeah we haven't had much luck in this regard lately. Missing out on Impey, then Wingard, then Martin but also having the Saints and Dees swoop in before us in the draft to grab Long and Pickett respectively. Long was the most annoying, especially seeing his progress now and knowing him well from Footscray.
Draft day I remember seeing him go at 26ish. At the time I thought that was too high and we would have had to have traded up or drafted him in the teens to get him.
This is my memory of it. I'm probably wrong and would have to fact check. I was bummed we missed both Long and Hannan.
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I don't know if we ever seriously considered him, but selecting Shai Bolton instead of Pat Lipinski would make a hell of a lot of sense right now.
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comrade
I don't know if we ever seriously considered him, but selecting Shai Bolton instead of Pat Lipinski would make a hell of a lot of sense right now.
Looks a special player, even moreso now he's playing mid minutes.
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Long (pick 25 in 2016) looks a decent player but he's not a quick small forward is he? I think he has been playing back this season. I certainly wouldn't swap him for our first pick in English (19) and I'm not sure he's achieved more than our next pick in Lipinski (28) to this stage of their careers.
What has happened to the pick immediately before Long in Cedric Cox from Brisbane? Has played 1 game in the last 2 years. I seem to recall some interest in him.
I was keen on Ah Chee last year who Brisbane picked up for reasonable price and looked good against us on Saturday.
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Axe Man
Long (pick 25 in 2016) looks a decent player but he's not a quick small forward is he? I think he has been playing back this season. I certainly wouldn't swap him for our first pick in English (19) and I'm not sure he's achieved more than our next pick in Lipinski (28) to this stage of their careers.
What has happened to the pick immediately before Long in Cedric Cox from Brisbane? Has played 1 game in the last 2 years. I seem to recall some interest in him.
I was keen on Ah Chee last year who Brisbane picked up for reasonable price and looked good against us on Saturday.
The Saints grabbed him before our selections
From memory our plan was to take English in the first round, Long in the 2nd, Lipinski or Hannan in the 3rd and Lewis Young with our last pick.
Greene was going to be a rookie pick. When Long was selected beforehand, we moved the players up by a round and Hannan had been selected by Melbourne
Don't you just love draft day machinations :)
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bulldogsthru&thru
Yeah we haven't had much luck in this regard lately. Missing out on Impey, then Wingard, then Martin but also having the Saints and Dees swoop in before us in the draft to grab Long and Pickett respectively. Long was the most annoying, especially seeing his progress now and knowing him well from Footscray.
Wingard and Impey I can live without, think they're pretty selfish players, but I thought Martin would have been great for us. Long hurts a bit. Richmond seems to have no trouble unearthing these types. We just never seem to be able to.
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The Suns just dropped Alex Sexton, I think I could live with taking him off their hands.
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Axe Man
The Suns just dropped Alex Sexton, I think I could live with taking him off their hands.
Good call, but I'm pretty sure he's signed for a long while.
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Clubs circle Giants star, despite five-year offer
Multiple clubs are circling Greater Western Sydney free agent Zac Williams, who has left a sizeable five-year contract offer from the Giants unsigned since last year as he weighs up his future.
But while many clubs, from Victoria and other states, have registered an interest in Williams, none has yet been able to make a formal offer for the dashing half-back while he decides his next move.
The GWS contract offer, which was made in December last year, still stands, although it is unclear what impact the pay cuts due to COVID-19 would have on the offer should Williams, 25, decide to stay.
GWS has been in contract discussions with the management of gun key forward Jeremy Cameron, another restricted free agent. Cameron – one of the highest-paid players in the competition this year due to his back-ended deal – is seeking a long-term deal, the Giants remaining confident all along of retaining him.
GWS have the option of matching an offer for Williams, a restricted free agent, should he exercise his free agency rights. But this is unlikely given that he would be certain to attract a sufficient contract to earn GWS a first-round pick in return.
AFL club sources suggested that Williams, originally from Narrandera in NSW, would clearly attract upwards of $700,000 a year over a long-term deal in a pre-pandemic market place. It is possible that a club would be willing pay significantly more to get him out of GWS, which has a tight salary cap but has been highly successful in retaining stars.
The Giants also have to recontract emerging second-year midfielder Jye Caldwell, a Victorian who is of interest to Melbourne clubs but who is settled and happy in Sydney. For the Giants, opportunity to play is often the main issue with young midfielders such as Caldwell, who has played senior football and impressed this year.
Cameron is viewed by some rival clubs as the biggest free agent or out-of-contract player within the AFL, given his stature and the fact that his signature – and the price he fetches – would have a bearing on the Giants' playing list and their prospects of retaining other players.
The five-year offer to Williams is consistent with the club's succession of long-term deals to key players with skipper Stephen Coniglio and Lachie Whitfield signing seven-year deals, Toby Greene getting six years and Harry Himmelberg five.
Midfielder Josh Kelly signed a two-year extension with an option for a further eight years – a commitment of 10 years by the Giants when he signed the deal. Kelly can exercise that contract next year if he chooses, or explore free agency.
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I know he’s had his injury issues and he’s injured now
Alex Pearce at Freo would be one I’d look at
Hamling , Logue , and trying to turn Jesse Hogan into a key back have to come into the side
Thoughts ?
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It’s back again
Norf and War chest
Iconic duo that
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Remi Moses
I know he’s had his injury issues and he’s injured now
Alex Pearce at Freo would be one I’d look at
Hamling , Logue , and trying to turn Jesse Hogan into a key back have to come into the side
Thoughts ?
Nick Riewoldt has just come out and suggested Freo trade him. He would be perfect in our backline for the gorilla forwards but his season games played history of 13,8,0,21,11,0 is deeply concerning. You wouldn't want to give up too much but he's still contracted for another 2 seasons and I can't see Freo giving him away cheaply.
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Remi Moses
It’s back again
Norf and War chest
Iconic duo that
They have a heap of players out of contract and are looking like they need a clean out to rebuild. Any cheap as chips players of interest to us?
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Axe Man
They have a heap of players out of contract and are looking like they need a clean out to rebuild. Any cheap as chips players of interest to us?
Not cheap as chips but Goldy for a few years with English playing forward/second ruck has some appeal to me. I'd imagine Timmy would come out of it a much better ruckman learning from Goldy every day.
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comrade
Not cheap as chips but Goldy for a few years with English playing forward/second ruck has some appeal to me. I'd imagine Timmy would come out of it a much better ruckman learning from Goldy every day.
It would have massive appeal to me.
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azabob
It would have massive appeal to me.
It would. But the question is do we want to spend our chips on a ruck when we have more pressing needs?
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Axe Man
They have a heap of players out of contract and are looking like they need a clean out to rebuild. Any cheap as chips players of interest to us?
Higgins?
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G-Mo77
Higgins?
No thanks. We don't need another slow mid who only runs one way
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bulldogsthru&thru
It would. But the question is do we want to spend our chips on a ruck when we have more pressing needs?
Beveridge wouldn't.
Could bringing in Goldstein help sort out our other pressing needs.
Providing our midfield more advantage of clean ball which could help our forward line connection and reduce easy ball into our back half.
As mentioned earlier it would also allow English time and space to develop as a genuine ruckman.
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bornadog
No thanks. We don't need another slow mid who only runs one way
Play him across HB, he loves that position on the field ;)
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bornadog
No thanks. We don't need another slow mid who only runs one way
I'd find it very hard to cheer him if it did happen. I mean he didn't leave on bad terms, we really didn't want him. Something about him has just rubbed me up the wrong way since he's been to that club. Can't stand the guy.
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G-Mo77
I'd find it very hard to cheer him if it did happen. I mean he didn't leave on bad terms, we really didn't want him. Something about him has just rubbed me up the wrong way since he's been to that club. Can't stand the guy.
I am with you.
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Wouldn't come cheap but if we had any interest in anyone from Norf, it would be Robbie Tarrant for me for a couple of seasons. Plays most weeks, fills a massive area of need.and more of a need than Higgins or Goldstein. Can't see Norf entertaining offers for him but he deserves to go out in a side that would hopefully be contending rather than a rebuild at that rabble.
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No to Goldstein
Would hamper English’s development
Yes to Tarrant