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Wow.
Lower shown the door! Why did we bother getting him?
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Cross, Vez, Lower and Marko delisted.
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Still 2 or 3 short I think, plus some rookies.
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Lower is the mild surprise out of that list but I suppose his papers were stamped with the rapid improvement of Wallis. I really liked Lower's attitude and willingness to become a part of the club from day 1, but I understand that he's probably surplus to requirements.
Howard remaining (at the moment) is also something of a surprise.
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I am sure it is a start, but strong indication that they are prepared to make hard decisions.
You would think Lower may get some interest elsewhere as well as Crossy.
Markovic and Vez are likely to play their future footy at lower grades.
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Bulldog Joe
I am sure it is a start, but strong indication that they are prepared to make hard decisions.
You would think Lower may get some interest elsewhere as well as Crossy.
Markovic and Vez are likely to play their future footy at lower grades.
I bet Lower wishes he resigned at Freo about now.
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bulldogtragic
I bet Lower wishes he resigned at Freo about now.
Yeah we stuffed him around, but not surprised he is out. I queried from day one why we had recruited him.
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bulldogtragic
I bet Lower wishes he resigned at Freo about now.
He wouldn't have got a game (apart from last week). Right in saying that it must have only been a one year contract then?
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M.R.M
He wouldn't have got a game (apart from last week). Right in saying that it must have only been a one year contract then?
I'd rather be at a top 4 team playing finals as a fringe player, than a bottom 4 team fringe player who just got delisted after committing to a new club 10 months ago. I know which scenario in which he'd be more likely to be re-drafted.
Of course there are no promises, but I feel bad for him.
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bulldogtragic
I'd rather be at a top 4 team playing finals as a fringe player, than a bottom 4 team fringe player who just got delisted after committing to a new club 10 months ago. I know which scenario in which he'd be more likely to be re-drafted.
Of course there are no promises, but I feel bad for him.
So do I. Met him at the Dromana Club this year and he is a great guy to talk to. Must have been on a one year contract.
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Disapointing for Lower, seemed like a good clubman, wish him and the others all the best.
Surprised Howard hasn't been cut to be honest, perhaps they thought the above players had no trade value and hence were cut now.
Maybe we'll see the rest after the end of the trade period.
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Cyberdoggie
Disapointing for Lower, seemed like a good clubman, wish him and the others all the best.
Surprised Howard hasn't been cut to be honest, perhaps they thought the above players had no trade value and hence were cut now.
Maybe we'll see the rest after the end of the trade period.
thats a good point.
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Cyberdoggie
Disapointing for Lower, seemed like a good clubman, wish him and the others all the best.
Surprised Howard hasn't been cut to be honest, perhaps they thought the above players had no trade value and hence were cut now.
Maybe we'll see the rest after the end of the trade period.
Maybe why DFA is not listed as well.
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There's three or four list lodgements. This is just the start.
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Moved fast.
Lower is a surprise.
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I'm a bit 50/50 with Lower, good tagger but doesn't have alot of other tricks, Wallis coming on and playing that role with also Smith and Picken being able to lock down players has really pushed Lower out, plus we need to inject some more class and polish to the squad, I wonder if Stevens could also play a similar role down the track if required.
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bulldogtragic
Wow.
Lower shown the door! Why did we bother getting him?
Players developed a lot quicker than every one thought. I think he was well worth the selection
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Cyberdoggie
Disapointing for Lower, seemed like a good clubman, wish him and the others all the best.
Surprised Howard hasn't been cut to be honest, perhaps they thought the above players had no trade value and hence were cut now.
Howie has youth on his side and maybe is still in contract.
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The lower selection was to add grunt and depth to our midfield.
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I reckon Marko Will Captain Our VFL Team and work in player welfare
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A little surprising, but understandable.
Howard and Pearce are the two interesting ones for mine. Personally I hope we cut both.
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The Bulldogs Bite
A little surprising, but understandable.
Howard and Pearce are the two interesting ones for mine. Personally I hope we cut both.
And DFA.
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The Bulldogs Bite
A little surprising, but understandable.
Howard and Pearce are the two interesting ones for mine. Personally I hope we cut both.
I see lots of posts calling for Pearce to go and I just don't understand why.
He has been on the list 2 years and I believe had some injury/illness issue early this year.
Whenever I have seem him play he shows dash and I think he deserves at least a little more time before he is cast aside.
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Bulldog Joe
I see lots of posts calling for Pearce to go and I just don't understand why.
He has been on the list 2 years and I believe had some injury/illness issue early this year.
Whenever I have seem him play he shows dash and I think he deserves at least a little more time before he is cast aside.
He'd consider himself very unlucky, but I just don't think he has enough to offer at AFL level. Two years in and I am not really sure what his strengths are -- perhaps appetite for the contest. I would consider rookie listing him.
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These are just the gimmes, I'm expecting a number more in the coming months after the trade/free agency period, then again at final list lodgements.
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Greystache
These are just the gimmes, I'm expecting a number more in the coming months after the trade/free agency period, then again at final list lodgements.
Who do you think will be cut Grey?
Howard, Pearce and Addison?
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If Cross & Lower are gone, but Gia & Boyd are staying on, is Brett Goodes in any danger?
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The Bulldogs Bite
Who do you think will be cut Grey?
Howard, Pearce and Addison?
Yes, no, possibly.
Addison will stay I unless we can find someone during trade week to replace him. Thinking Crameri or similar and I think we'll manage that. So he would be delisted as part of our final list lodgement
I'd delist Cordy but we won't because he has 2 years left on his contract, so I'd try to see if there's any takers out there for him in trade week to get out of his contract, an exchange of picks would be enough. I'd also delist Williams but this was discussed a month or so ago and it won't happen this year. They're both taking up list spots we could better utilise.
So who I predict will also be delisted;
Howard
Addison
Redpath
Greenwood
And potentially 1 or 2 traded out.
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The Bulldogs Bite
A little surprising, but understandable.
Howard and Pearce are the two interesting ones for mine. Personally I hope we cut both.
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Bulldog Joe
I see lots of posts calling for Pearce to go and I just don't understand why.
He has been on the list 2 years and I believe had some injury/illness issue early this year.
Whenever I have seem him play he shows dash and I think he deserves at least a little more time before he is cast aside.
I'm staggered to be honest. He was excellent on Garlett a week ago( he was lucky to be recalled) Should be given time .
Howard's in trouble as with Greenwood, and Redpath
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Really surprised about Lower, but it makes sense if Daniel Cross isn't offered a contract so why should Lower get one. Cross is a better player than Lower.
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ratsmac
Really surprised about Lower, but it makes sense if Daniel Cross isn't offered a contract so why should Lower get one. Cross is a better player than Lower.
Cross is a lot better than a few of our players but it's an age factor with him and also the young players who will play his role and need game time
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gogriff
If Cross & Lower are gone, but Gia & Boyd are staying on, is Brett Goodes in any danger?
Goodes is playing a role in the back line. I would expect next year will be his last if someone else steps up into his role, but for now we need him.
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With our VFL side up and running, why aren't we retaining some of these lesser players and offering them VFL contracts?
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I like that we took Lower on because of his hardness and ability to fill that tagger role. He was there to cover a deficiency. It's no longer a deficiency, hence this decision. That's only good news for us.
I wish Lower all the best.
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Scraggers
With our VFL side up and running, why aren't we retaining some of these lesser players and offering them VFL contracts?
Who says we haven't?
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Lower is a victim of our development racing ahead of him this season.
He is now behind Boyd, Smith, Wallis as the inside mid who can tag, behind Macrae, Hrovat, Hunter, Stevens as the other midfield options fighting for a place, and as a defender he doesn't get a game ahead of Goodes, JJ, Picken, Young and Wood.
I would also imagine Prudden will be higher priority than him next year, Pearce also possibly, and it isn't like the midfielders we draft will be pure outside types so he will fall behind them too.
Feel sorry for him as he seems to have done everything right and seems like a good clubman but I am happy that the club is making the hard calls.
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BornAScragger
I like that we took Lower on because of his hardness and ability to fill that tagger role. He was there to cover a deficiency. It's no longer a deficiency, hence this decision. That's only good news for us.
I wish Lower all the best.
Lets face it it was a mistake. You really find it hard to criticise the club? I would have preferred to elevate someone like Jong to the main list.
At least the club had the guts to say we made a mistake.
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bornadog
Lets face it it was a mistake. You really find it hard to criticise the club? I would have preferred to elevate someone like Jong to the main list.
At least the club had the guts to say we made a mistake.
Why didn't you tell us back in October last year that Wallis was going to become a gun defensive midfielder in the last 2 months of the season and that a Lower type wouldn't be required.
And while you're at it, what Tattslotto numbers should I pick this weekend?
We copped an injury to Boyd early in the year and Lower stood up to provide cover. He was recruited as depth which was required until Wallis' unforeseen emergence.
It won't go down as the greatest recruiting coup of all time but it's not a major mistake like you're interpreting it.
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GVGjr
Players developed a lot quicker than every one thought. I think he was well worth the selection
Agreed. Was a good pick up and played some good roles early in the season against some high level midfielders. The development of Clay Smith earlier in the year and Wallis in the latter part of the season, as well as Gia going around again probably forced the Clubs hand.
Given Crossy has also been playing a shutdown role whilst Wallis has been in the team, and Lower has the ability to play a similar role to Crossy, I was a bit surprised by this decision.
Hopefully we can see him involved with FFC in the VFL next season as I think he's a great influence to have around the club.