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Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
Welcome to the Always Right Match Committee Thread. The Match Committee threads has been named after long time WOOF member Always Right who tragically passed away in March 2018.
If you were on the Western Bulldogs match committee what changes would you make after our Round 8 match against Brisbane for our Round 9, 2019 match against Geelong at Kardinia Park?
For those new to these threads, please give a brief explanation for your changes ... this would add a lot of value to the discussion.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
GVGjr
Sorry I missed this one
Me too, Thanks scraggers
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
I think that Fletch should stay in if English isn't ready to come back, he was fine today and we need Trengove as our number 1 ruck when English isn't in the team. Obviously changes are pending on tomorrows game but I'd like to see Lewy Young come in as he was a bit stiff to be dropped earlier this year.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
In: English
Out: Hayes
Which means we stay with the extra tall.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
Tough game out there today and there will be some sore and tired bodies. Wouldn't be surprised if we swapped a couple of guys to allow them to freshen up.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
Tough match committee this week. Roberts did enough to stay in but English was stringing some pretty handy form together and clearly benefiting from the game time. Meanwhile Trengrove has put together two equally impressive performances at full back and in the ruck.
I don't think you can play Trengrove and Roberts in the same backline against a fairly small Geelong attack. Do you try and double team Stanley with English and Trengrove playing ruck/forward? Stanley's been in outstanding form.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
Lemmon I like your thinking. Blicvas is also in great form who is a great match up for Naughton having Trengove down there may assist.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
After suggesting English was due for a rest before the BL game, I think it's the same for Bailey Smith... didn't seem to have the same zip yesterday playing on a heavy surface so I think a rest will do him well.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
After suggesting English was due for a rest before the BL game, I think it's the same for Bailey Smith... didn't seem to have the same zip yesterday playing on a heavy surface so I think a rest will do him well.
I noticed that as well. It will be interesting to see if we manage him or just keep playing him.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I noticed that as well. It will be interesting to see if we manage him or just keep playing him.
I would bring in Lipinski or Webb for Smith.
If we want a bit taller maybe Young or Rourke Smith.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
Mantis
After suggesting English was due for a rest before the BL game, I think it's the same for Bailey Smith... didn't seem to have the same zip yesterday playing on a heavy surface so I think a rest will do him well.
Thought the same . Bayley might need a spell
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
English/Lewis Young for Roberts
Dale for Hayes
Williams for Lachie Young
Lipsinki for Smith (if sore)
Really hope English is right (should be if just the gen soreness) as I would like to see JT freed up to play on Hawkins. The Cats go Hawkins + smalls which really doesn't suit Fletch at all as he will struggle with Hawkins' strength. If English isn't right, I'd go Young for Roberts with Lewis spending time in the ruck.
Dale for Hayes, really adds a bit of class which we need. Lipsinki for Smith if he is sore rather than just an off game. Definitely looked sore to me as well.
Liked what Lachie Young is doing but thought Bailey Williams had a strong game in the twos today and we can do with as many good kicks as we can get.
Gowers is a worry at times, however we really have virtually no options of secondary forward who helps Naught compete in air. At least Billy kinda does it sometimes? Really would love to see the benchmark for that spot raised a bit. Schache just so meek in the air. Maybe Roarke? I know he is smaller but scrapping the barrel here. That said, Gowers had 3 inside 50 tackles vs Lions which is good going I guess.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
Williams with 31 disposals today. If he comes in where does he play?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
Where is Liberatore at after his blistering opening to the season?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
azabob
Where is Liberatore at after his blistering opening to the season?
Played well yesterday with 23 disposals and 5 tackles. He has only had one quiet game and that was last week.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
Out Hayes Roberts
In Dale English
We win a lot of the ball just think Dale can be more effective on the overlap than Hayes playing a similar role.
English straight back in with Trengove to play on Hawkins.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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bornadog
Played well yesterday with 23 disposals and 5 tackles. He has only had one quiet game and that was last week.
Dockers and Blues were on the quiet side too though at least one of them saw him wasted on a flank/pocket all match.
Overall averaging 23.5 touches a game and 6.5 clearances (most since 2014 on both fronts) is a good return for him
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
I'd make a few changes but suspect that we won't
In Williams, R.Smith and if fit English or Lewis Young
Out Hayes, Lachlan Young and Roberts
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
GVGjr
I'd make a few changes but suspect that we won't
In Williams, R.Smith and if fit English or Lewis Young
Out Hayes, Lachlan Young and Roberts
Smith to all play forward or back?
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
azabob
Smith to all play forward or back?
A bit of both, probably more forward though
I've never been that impressed with him however, he has been playing well this year and has probably done enough to deserve a chance
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
Williams was outstanding today against the Box Hill Hawks and should be selected.
The return of English will allow Trengrove to play on Hawkins. I still believe that Schache is a better option than Gowers
In. Williams English Schache
Out. Fletcher Hayes Gowers
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
Nuggety Back Pocket
Williams was outstanding today against the Box Hill Hawks and should be selected.
The return of English will allow Trengrove to play on Hawkins. I still believe that Schache is a better option than Gowers
In. Williams English Schache
Out. Fletcher Hayes Gowers
I like those changes.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
Yeah I don't think we'll be making 3 or 4 changes after winning, and starting to get our act together for the season.
Out: Hayes; Roberts
In: Williams; English
Fletcher didn't do much wrong, but if English is right, then I don't think we need the extra tall v Geelong.
Williams is better than Hayes, Lipinski is better than Hayes, Bailey Dale is better than Hayes.....
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
azabob
Where is Liberatore at after his blistering opening to the season?
He's playing on the HFF, which of course doesn't suit his skill set... but as he's been dropped as a primary midfielder Dunkley has been added and we've benefited, so I think they will continue to rotate in these roles.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
Nuggety Back Pocket
Williams was outstanding today against the Box Hill Hawks and should be selected.
The return of English will allow Trengrove to play on Hawkins. I still believe that Schache is a better option than Gowers
In. Williams English Schache
Out. Fletcher Hayes Gowers
Got to feel sorry for Fletcher Roberts. I'd actually prefer him up forward than Gowers. He was a forward in his TAC years IIRC.
Bevo likes to play fruit salad. Why not give him a go.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Ghost Dog
Got to feel sorry for Fletcher Roberts.
Premiership hero? I think he probably accepts his lot - hes an eker who is part of the greatest premiership in the games history
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
azabob
Where is Liberatore at after his blistering opening to the season?
You will always find Libba at the coalface. He does so much of the inside grunt work, which must be physically taxing. Ballarat's heavy conditions would just add to that load.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
azabob
Where is Liberatore at after his blistering opening to the season?
Libba has had a couple of defensive roles over the last two weeks. Don't worry about his numbers being down. He is still as important as ever.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
I understand people not liking Gowers but don't see how you can drop him for Schache.
For all Gowers many faults he is aggressive, always involved and works hard as a foil for Naughton to benefit from. Gowers doesn't have to be good to have a net benefit to the team.
Schache on the other hand is meek, easily loses confidence and can dissapear from games. His spell in the VFL rather than being encouraging has been the opposite and he is by no means demanding or earning his selection back in the AFL side. I understand wanting to pump games into such a "talent" but it would be to the detriment of both Naughton and our side as a whole.
I've always believed that if you aren't a gun key forward then you need to be an aggressive one. Naughton is both, Cordy is most definitely the latter and 2016 is an excellent example of how someone with his limited skillset can have such an impact up forward in a role they aren't suited to through sheer determination and aggression despite being less experienced and smaller than a Schache thats had two more years in the system and infintely more "talent".
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Originally Posted by
soupaman
I understand people not liking Gowers but don't see how you can drop him for Schache.
For all Gowers many faults he is aggressive, always involved and works hard as a foil for Naughton to benefit from. Gowers doesn't have to be good to have a net benefit to the team.
Schache on the other hand is meek, easily loses confidence and can dissapear from games. His spell in the VFL rather than being encouraging has been the opposite and he is by no means demanding or earning his selection back in the AFL side. I understand wanting to pump games into such a "talent" but it would be to the detriment of both Naughton and our side as a whole.
I've always believed that if you aren't a gun key forward then you need to be an aggressive one. Naughton is both, Cordy is most definitely the latter and 2016 is an excellent example of how someone with his limited skillset can have such an impact up forward in a role they aren't suited to through sheer determination and aggression despite being less experienced and smaller than a Schache thats had two more years in the system and infintely more "talent".
I think what you say is fair.
One benefit to Naughton's emergence forward (aside from the obvious ones) is we don't 'need' Schache or Boyd in the team immediately. They can earn their spot or work on their deficiencies in the VFL as required by the team.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
soupaman
I understand people not liking Gowers but don't see how you can drop him for Schache.
Gowers is great. I actually don't understand why people don't like him.
He is frustrating. But he has a go, upsets the opposition and generally makes a net positive impact. I would have said he was a core part of this current team.
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Gowers hasn't had over 10 possessions in 3 weeks and only once in 5. He's got 3.7 in that time to go with a whopping 9 tackles. I agree to an extent that he doesn't have to play a good game to be valuable but he's giving us absolutely nothing right now.
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Gower's positives generally outweigh his negatives but his last few weeks have been a little disappointing. He will always have some brain fade moments but I saw a couple of efforts up close on Saturday that were poor. Unfortunately I don't think we have anybody else that can play the same role at present.
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If it’s Gowers or Schache, you take Gowers every time at this point.
Just highlights a massive hole in our list that we have so few viable forward options available to us.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
Axe Man
Gower's positives generally outweigh his negatives but his last few weeks have been a little disappointing. He will always have some brain fade moments but I saw a couple of efforts up close on Saturday that were poor. Unfortunately I don't think we have anybody else that can play the same role at present.
I have stuck up for Gowers, but like you watching him on Saturday, well he may as well just sat on the bench and we played 17 on the field. He must do more, otherwise he should be in the VFL.
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Bloody Ablett gets let off two weeks in a row for elbows to the head. What a joke it has become, even worse than a few years ago. Christian is an absolute joke. What a little puppet he has become. Our bloke gets three weeks for a shove to the chest.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
I have stuck up for Gowers, but like you watching him on Saturday, well he may as well just sat on the bench and we played 17 on the field. He must do more, otherwise he should be in the VFL.
Isn’t it funny how the inner sanctum see players , Bevos chat this week to members mentioned how Gowers has sacrificed his game for Naughton, especially the last two weeks, so as much as you say he didn’t do anything on the weekend Bevo commended him for his efforts and thinks he is doing what they want of him at the moment.
Personally I see exactly what Bevo sees, he is intimidating the opposition, he presents and makes a defender stick to him, I actually thought he had a good game, yeah he stuffs up at times but it’s actually making space for Naughton, he runs a long way out, taking a player with him, giving Naughton more space.
But I do see if he could just be more clean he would be more dangerous, but It was slippery and wet.
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Re: Always Right Match Committee Thread Round 9, Vs Geelong
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Originally Posted by
mjp
Gowers is great. I actually don't understand why people don't like him.
He is frustrating. But he has a go, upsets the opposition and generally makes a net positive impact. I would have said he was a core part of this current team.
Agree with this. The only game I thought he was a liability was v Freo, where he wasn't able to halve a number of contests. Having said that, Freo are (at least they were at that point) the leading intercept team in the comp. I liked the way he fought back into the game on the weekend after not occupying Hodge or having an impact himself in the first half. Second half he was much better and he and Naughton worked better together - and you'd expect they would build on that in how they work together over time.