The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018

Time stops for no one. Next off-season firms as a crucial year. So basic forward looking:

Retiring Candidates based on age (obviously form & fitness are more important than dob): Morris & Cloke (2)

Candidates needing a strong year: Collins, Smith, Campbell (3)

Trading Candidates: With several clubs inquiring on Jong this trade period, off an ACL, if he has a strong year those clubs might be back. But with a healthy salary cap, hopefully that's not a problem. (1)

Free Agent Status: Roughead, Dahl, Libba, Wallis, Morris (5)

I would include Lukas Webb as a likely trading candidate. Whilst he has shown promise there are a number of players ahead of him in development around his age bracket, particularly those from the same draft. He needs a big year to maintain his spot on the list.

It's one of those years where we basically know who we will be delisting at season's end.

Campbell, Smith, Morris, Cloke would be pretty close to certain.

Here is my take:

Trade or delist:
1. Roarke Smith - Injury prone. His elite leap is not enough.
2. Brad Lynch - has never impressed.
3. Mitch Honeychurch - close but just falls short.

Trade
4. Fletcher Roberts - lacks balance, looks for easy way out of defence by kicking across the ground.
5. Lucas Webb - Could quite possibly make it, but may still have some trade value.

Possible outs.
6. Suckling
7. Crameri
8. Mullenger-McHugh
9. Greene
10. Redpath

We need to turn a few more players over to try to get some gems.

So Cloke has already gone, a year early. The drafting of Naughton I think means we move two KPDs on:

1. Morris retires
2. Roberts traded

Possibles/Need an impressive 2018:

3. Clay Smith
4. Mitch Honeychurch
5. Tom Campbell
6. Matt Suckling (if he wants a shot at punting in the NFL)

7. Possible trade out request

Leaving all rookies aside.

I think you could add Kieran Collins to that list .He needs a big season

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Originally Posted by Remi Moses

I think you could add Kieran Collins to that list .He needs a big season

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Only his 3rd season in 2018. One which was injury ravaged, and he was always going to take more time. I wouldn't be cutting him unless he has a horrible, horrible year. If he shows even moderate incremental progress he gets an extension for mine.

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Originally Posted by Remi Moses

I think you could add Kieran Collins to that list .He needs a big season

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Drafted as a 17yo and just 2 years in that seems to be a harsh assessment but you might be right.
In most instances we have to give the bigger boys a bit more time than just 3 seasons.

If he goes backwards then sure he's a potential delisting.

If he continues to improve it'd be silly to dispose of him so quickly.

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Originally Posted by GVGjr

Drafted as a 17yo and just 2 years in that seems to be a harsh assessment but you might be right.
In most instances we have to give the bigger boys a bit more time than just 3 seasons.

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He is still 19 years old and about to turn 20 in mid December, which means he will only be 20 for all of next year. I think we give him another year to prove himself after next, unless we feel he just won't make it.

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Originally Posted by Remi Moses

I think you could add Kieran Collins to that list .He needs a big season

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Poor Kieran cannot take a trick. I really hope we retain him as he is still young. If we delist him I wouldn't put it past Collingwood to snap him up. Their assistant coach Brendan Sanderson was a huge wrap for Kieran in the under 18's. Coached him too in the Academy I think.

4 games in how are people's lists shaping up? For mine:

1. Moz - the option is his and his bodies
2. Smith - 2016 aside, his body has ruined his career and has to be a candidate for delisting - is he best 22?
3. Picken - enough said, a tragedy, but he has the rest of his life to think about
4. Campbell - English's emergence, puts him at the back of a queue that includes Roughie, Boyd, Redders and Bontempeli. Too one dimensional to fit into Bevo's plans
5. Webb - shame, but I think he is in trouble unless he can start to translate VFL form into AFL form.
6. NMM/Greene/R Smith - at least one will get cut if not 2

In danger:

1. Roughie - is there room for him on the field? Will he be sacrificed because of the Boyd deal?;
2. Adams - his nickname has to be sick note as he spends more time in the medical room than on the field;
3. Trengove - how well does he balance the team?

FK,

What about Roberts, HC & Lynch? Could probably include Collins in the conversation too.

Of those you have mentioned Fredi Picken (2019), Webb (2019), Adams (2020) and Trengove (2021?) are contracted. Yes they can still be traded or delisted but it makes it much less likely.

Picken's future should be a decision for him, his family and medical experts to make.

At least 1 of Roughie or Campbell needs to be retained, Rough should be ahead.

As for the names Mantis mentions: Lynch has to upgraded or delisted, would have to do something amazing to be retained. Honeychurch and Collins have to be in the conversation. Roberts is contracted for 2019.

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Originally Posted by Mantis

FK,

What about Roberts, HC & Lynch? Could probably include Collins in the conversation too.

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Jong?

Good thing we signed Trengove for 4 years so we don't have to worry about when he's getting delisted.

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Originally Posted by Happy Days

Good thing we signed Trengove for 4 years so we don't have to worry about when he's getting delisted.

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Pretty sure its 3 years.

Putting contracts aside, because lets face it if you need to make room on the list you do:

1. I struggle to see how Trengove fits at the moment - as a defender he's an upgrade on Roberts, but not a fully fit Adams. Naughton in 10 to 15 games will be better and then there is Louis Young;

2. Roberts, yes I'll concede he is a candidate, especially with Trengove at the club. I think though that they wont delist him, especially if Morris retires;

3. Honeychurch - I can't see us right now delisting him. We may trade him if the right opportunity comes along, but he isn't a candidate for delisting, mainly because he plays a role for the team as a pressure player. Hey may be in and out of the team, but I think he'll stay;

4. Lynch - forgot about him - sort of a rookie so to me doesn't matter. I can't see who he would replace in the current team anyway;

5. Jong - is an interesting one. I would listen to offers. At his best, he is still behind Libba, Wally, Smith (when fit). That said I think he will stay. Another who Bevo rates because of his workrate and pressure acts;

6. Collins - will be given time. I know this is a broken record, but they will hold for at least until the end of next season, because his upside is huge

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Originally Posted by kruder

Pretty sure its 3 years.

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Awesome lucky us.

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Originally Posted by Happy Days

Awesome lucky us.

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Happy Days, we were pretty lousy the first few games. Maybe he needs a few rounds in the Bulldogs plan B team to find his mojo? Port gave him a glowing farewell speech. At least that probably means he did something right, some of the time. But I'm a bit overly optimistic.

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Originally Posted by Ghost Dog

Happy Days, we were pretty lousy the first few games. Maybe he needs a few rounds in the Bulldogs plan B team to find his mojo? Port gave him a glowing farewell speech. At least that probably means he did something right, some of the time. But I'm a bit overly optimistic.

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Trengove is probably a great dude and of outstanding moraticular fortitude or whatever, but the bare bones of the situation is that we signed a player on the wrong side of 25 who hasn't shown anything on an AFL field in 18 months to a substantial long-term contract and it's proven thus far to be of zero benefit to our side.

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Originally Posted by Happy Days

Trengove is probably a great dude and of outstanding moraticular fortitude or whatever, but the bare bones of the situation is that we signed a player on the wrong side of 25 who hasn't shown anything on an AFL field in 18 months to a substantial long-term contract and it's proven thus far to be of zero benefit to our side.

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He has been played out of position since the moment we got him.
He made his name as a defender and has hardly played there. Then we went and drafted Aaron Naughton who looks like a gun, Lewis Young seems to have continued his improvement, and made public noise about giving Collins more time.

Cordy is clearly in the best 22 so it's a weird mixed message we've given here especially when you consider we already had Roughy on the list playing a ruck/forward type role ad we have traded for Boyd & Schache.

Roberts must be expendable in this situation and we can barely develop these guys at VFL level with Campbell & NMM also running around.

I think we are being a little hasty writing of Trengove at the moment.

He does bring experience and versatility in a big body. We are short on for experience.

I would see how things unfold.

Have we drafted/traded tall the last couple of years in the knowledge that West and Libba Jnr are coming through next season as F/S prospects? Kellett's son as well?

Our midfield core is still so young compared to other teams but we really need to bolster that area with increased depth from next year onwards - trade and draft preferably. We are a couple of key injuries away from midfield crisis at present.

As much as I was fairly on the fence about getting Trengove - we've seen him for two games in our colours. One of which he cracked his shoulder at some point. Hardly think its time for his name to come up.

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Originally Posted by Bulldog Joe

I think we are being a little hasty writing of Trengove at the moment.

He does bring experience and versatility in a big body. We are short on for experience.

I would see how things unfold.

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Originally Posted by Ozza

As much as I was fairly on the fence about getting Trengove - we've seen him for two games in our colours. One of which he cracked his shoulder at some point. Hardly think its time for his name to come up.

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I agree that it's too soon. The guy can play, he gives us versatility, a big body and leadership on the field and they are all attributes we desperately need. I vote that we give him another few games before we retire or delist him.

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Originally Posted by Sedat

Have we drafted/traded tall the last couple of years in the knowledge that West and Libba Jnr are coming through next season as F/S prospects? Kellett's son as well?

Our midfield core is still so young compared to other teams but we really need to bolster that area with increased depth from next year onwards - trade and draft preferably. We are a couple of key injuries away from midfield crisis at present.

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With Libba out currently we have been exposed a bit. Guys like Webb, Lipinski, Greene are not developing quick enough. These guys were meant to be future mids.

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Originally Posted by bornadog

With Libba out currently we have been exposed a bit. Guys like Webb, Lipinski, Greene are not developing quick enough. These guys were meant to be future mids.

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Fair enough on Webb but I don't think anyone expected Greene or Lipinski to have developed into midfielders at this early stage. Neither were natural midfielders when drafted, although they could develop into midfielders in time.

Bloody Callan Ward, thats who we expected to have in our midfield now! :)

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Originally Posted by Twodogs

Bloody Callan Ward, thats who we expected to have in our midfield now! :)

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But then we might not have Macrae. Shaun Higgins would be handy too (used that pick on Webb).

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Originally Posted by Axe Man

Fair enough on Webb but I don't think anyone expected Greene or Lipinski to have developed into midfielders at this early stage. Neither were natural midfielders when drafted, although they could develop into midfielders in time.

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So we decided to not draft midfielders in the last 3 drafts :eek:

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Originally Posted by bornadog

So we decided to not draft midfielders in the last 3 drafts :eek:

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Dunkley is sort of a midfielder sometimes? Porter? That's about it. We need midfielders galore at the next draft. At least that's generally the easiest type of player to find.

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Originally Posted by Axe Man

Dunkley is sort of a midfielder sometimes? Porter? That's about it. We need midfielders galore at the next draft. At least that's generally the easiest type of player to find.

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But we need mids who cankickthebloodyball. They don't grow on trees.

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Originally Posted by bornadog

With Libba out currently we have been exposed a bit. Guys like Webb, Lipinski, Greene are not developing quick enough. These guys were meant to be future mids.

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Lipinski and Greene were drafted as mid-sized forwards - they aren't ready for any extended time in the middle, especially at AFL level. Also a bit harsh on players who were only drafted 18 months ago and who both suffered extended injury lay-offs in their only season to date.

Webb is simply not an inside mid, or at least not at AFL level. We definitely need reinforcements in that area of the ground.

At least we have first dibs on one of the best in and under midfielders in this draft; Rhylee West. By all accounts a good user too.

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Originally Posted by PeanutsPeanuts

At least we have first dibs on one of the best in and under midfielders in this draft; Rhylee West. By all accounts a good user too.

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I haven't seen him play, but let's hope he has more pace than his old man.

I’d settle for him just having a more penetrating kick than his old man. But an additional yard of pace would be handy... or are we now just getting greeedy!?

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Originally Posted by Axe Man

Dunkley is sort of a midfielder sometimes? Porter? That's about it. We need midfielders galore at the next draft. At least that's generally the easiest type of player to find.

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We have a dearth of midfielders right now, especially considering guys who were drafted as mids are playing elsewhere (Dunkley, Clay Smith, Bailey Williams, The Bont, etc).

Rhylee West is a free kick to us, our next academy kid (Khamis) seems set to be a Wood type who is a supreme athlete but will take time.
God I hope we manufacture a first round pick before the West bid somehow.

Oliver Liberatore was a good ball user at U14 level. :D

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Originally Posted by bornadog

I haven't seen him play, but let's hope he has more pace than his old man.

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I've only seen a few snippets on You Tube, does look very much like his father in style. By all accounts is very similar, although Knightmare in his player profiles lists acceleration, vision, strong body, contested ball winning, composure and reliable ball use as particular strengths, which sounds promising (reckons his weaknesses are height [180 cm] and lack of x-factor).

For what it's worth, KM rates him at #19 in the draft and reckons his draft range is anywhere from 10-40 - in comparing him to a current day player, KM says the closest comparison is Nathan Jones.