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John Patton in big strife
Two more women accuse Hawks star Jon Patton of lewd messages
Hawks investigating allegations against Patton. Innocent till proven guilty of course.
If Guilty, should he be sacked?
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The BF rumours thread has some of the messages posted up (now deleted). He's a grub.
He'll probably just issue a public apology and dozens of other AFL players will be shitting themselves.
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Mofra
The BF rumours thread has some of the messages posted up (now deleted). He's a grub.
He'll probably just issue a public apology and dozens of other AFL players will be shitting themselves.
Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if he went down the route of a 'my struggles with injury, combined with the stress of COVID led to some bad decisions that I deeply regret' type of apology.
He revealed his douchbaggery years ago with his public snipe at Tom Boyd. Karma is a bitch.
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What would be an appropriate response from the AFL if he is proven to be guilty?
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GVGjr
What would be an appropriate response from the AFL if he is proven to be guilty?
A fine.
A suspension is useless when he never gets on the paddock anyway.
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I reckon if Hawthorn could get him off their books they'd be more than happy to, so if he's able to be replaced on the primary list then I think they'll work with the AFL to have him sacked.
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Doesn’t seem to have been a lot of coverage of this one on afl.com.au
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Mofra
A fine.
A suspension is useless when he never gets on the paddock anyway.
He's broken some serious rules and I think there is a chance, given the way it's being reported and this isn't an isolated incident, he might be lucky if he keeps his job. I'd have to think that in most work places this gets you sacked
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GVGjr
He's broken some serious rules and I think there is a chance, given the way it's being reported and this isn't an isolated incident, he might be lucky if he keeps his job. I'd have to think that in most work places this gets you sacked
Agree.
Also, insert image of Hardwick doing cartwheels. This is just what the doctor ordered for him.
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The Underdog
Doesn’t seem to have been a lot of coverage of this one on afl.com.au
Didn’t last time an AFL.com.au reporter reported on an AFL club incident get stood down for a few days? Can’t recall the exact incident but it was Mitch Cleary and something to do with Richmond from memory.
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azabob
Didn’t last time an AFL.com.au reporter reported on an AFL club incident get stood down for a few days? Can’t recall the exact incident but it was Mitch Cleary and something to do with Richmond from memory.
The Nathan Broad incident?
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So if the images are unsolicited then isn't he just a garden variety sex offender?
I mean just because he's doing it online and most likely from home, why would he be treated so much differently than anyone jumping out of the bushes on the Sandy foreshore and whipping it out?
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GVGjr
The Nathan Broad incident?
Brooke Cotchin.
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jeemak
So if the images are unsolicited then isn't he just a garden variety sex offender?
I mean just because he's doing it online and most likely from home, why would he be treated so much differently than anyone jumping out of the bushes on the Sandy foreshore and whipping it out?
It's a serious offense if proven to be true. I would imagine there is a team with the police that deal with this
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The Underdog
Doesn’t seem to have been a lot of coverage of this one on afl.com.au
They have now
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Originally Posted by
jeemak
So if the images are unsolicited then isn't he just a garden variety sex offender?
I mean just because he's doing it online and most likely from home, why would he be treated so much differently than anyone jumping out of the bushes on the Sandy foreshore and whipping it out?
From all reports we have likely only seen the tip of the iceberg so far too. Apparently his offending has been indiscriminate and in no short supply and you would imagine that the floodgates of complainants might be empowered to open.
It’s likely to get much, much worse for Jon and I can’t see a scenario where the Hawks don’t cut him loose.
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The Adelaide Connection
From all reports we have likely only seen the tip of the iceberg so far too. Apparently his offending has been indiscriminate and in no short supply and you would imagine that the floodgates of complainants might be empowered to open.
It’s likely to get much, much worse for Jon and I can’t see a scenario where the Hawks don’t cut him loose.
The rumours that broke this a week ago had him sending pics to dozens of girls. He's in a lot of trouble, and the AFL would be shitting themselves if other players start getting named.
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The Adelaide Connection
From all reports we have likely only seen the tip of the iceberg so far too.
Now there's a metaphor for the situation.
What I just don't get about this whole thing is that surely highly paid, wealthy, fit young men would have a plethora of opportunity to behave like this with consensual partners. I mean, it's not my thing but I'm not a prude - what consenting adults do is up to them.
Why would you need to force it onto people who aren't consenting? It would have to be some kind of mental derangement.
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EasternWest
Now there's a metaphor for the situation.
What I just don't get about this whole thing is that surely highly paid, wealthy, fit young men would have a plethora of opportunity to behave like this with consensual partners. I mean, it's not my thing but I'm not a prude - what consenting adults do is up to them.
Why would you need to force it onto people who aren't consenting? It would have to be some kind of mental derangement.
Haha, I did notice that after my post but rather than editing I thought I’d leave it in as an Easter egg of sorts.
I am no psychologist, but I suspect Patton likely has a personality disorder of sorts. Rather than have his shit behaviour reigned in or squashed by society and the people around him, his celebrity has probably allowed him to cultivate it and attain a higher level of crap bloke.
He is certainly not the first AFL footballer to present as a terrible person and he sure as hell won’t be the last. As others have alluded to, the AFL would be shitting bricks that a plethora of other players could soon get named.
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The Adelaide Connection
Haha, I did notice that after my post but rather than editing I thought I’d leave it in as an Easter egg of sorts.
I am no psychologist, but I suspect Patton likely has a personality disorder of sorts. Rather than have his shit behaviour reigned in or squashed by society and the people around him, his celebrity has probably allowed him to cultivate it and attain a higher level of terrible bloke.
He is certainly not the first AFL footballer to present as a terrible person and he sure as hell won’t be the last. As others have alluded to, the AFL would be shitting bricks that a plethora of other players could soon get named.
We also wait to see what happens with DeGoey who is allowed to train as if nothing has happened. His sexual assault charges are due to be heard in court around March
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Aside from this being gross and sexually violent, its just so WEIRD man. How could you look at him the same way ever again?
The Hawks, being the late stage capitalists they are, will rightly realise that the social capital they will get out of sacking him far outweighs what he can bring on the field and sack him. The right outcome as long as they don’t show their working out.
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While the AFL/Hawthorn would want to send out a pretty positive image that they are taking this seriously (and Patton is a great scapegoat as he has a profile but is also shithouse thus expendable) I will be surprised if it's much more than a fine/internal suspension and sending him off to some bullshit "respect for women" course.
They'd want to be careful about what precedent they set because there is absolutely multiple AFL players doing this (or worse or similiar). You don't want to very publicly sack Patton for this then two weeks later reports emerge of someone valuable to the league (Lets use Bont as an hypothetical example as I imagine he is exceedingly unlikely to actually do something like this) and everyone having to backflip why his case is different and can be served through an just educational course.
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Happy Days
Aside from this being gross and sexually violent, its just so WEIRD man. How could you look at him the same way ever again?
The Hawks, being the late stage capitalists they are, will rightly realise that the social capital they will get out of sacking him far outweighs what he can bring on the field and sack him. The right outcome as long as they don’t show their working out.
It is all speculative at this stage, but I have heard it is not only lewd messages and photos but also video involved. If true, surely he must be sacked.
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Originally Posted by
Happy Days
Aside from this being gross and sexually violent, its just so WEIRD man. How could you look at him the same way ever again?
The Hawks, being the late stage capitalists they are, will rightly realise that the social capital they will get out of sacking him far outweighs what he can bring on the field and sack him. The right outcome as long as they don’t show their working out.
I didn't think I'd be reading the phrase 'late stage capitalist' on WOOF today, but I'm here for it.
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GVGjr
It's a serious offense if proven to be true. I would imagine there is a team with the police that deal with this
Victoria Police have specialist Sexual Offences and Child Abuse Investigation teams at most commands but I don't know if they only deal with physical assault or not. They used to have a Serious Sexual Crime Unit located in Flinders Street (long story short, I had to make a witness statement to support an old friend and something that happened to her) who would have handled this but I think that they have been replaced.
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comrade
I didn't think I'd be reading the phrase 'late stage capitalist' on WOOF today, but I'm here for it.
It's the best new phrase I've heard since "post colonialism"
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Apparently in hospital to treat ongoing mental health issues:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...13-p56twm.html
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jeemak
Surprise, surprise.
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Likely career over, reputation in tatters. No doubt he's struggling.
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Mofra
Likely career over, reputation in tatters. No doubt he's struggling.
I wish him a speedy recovery but I wonder at what point did he realise he needed help.
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Some people deal with mental illness differently. Many become introspective, withdraw from their social circles etc.
And then there are others who send 100s of unsolicited dick picks and sexually aggressive texts.
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According to some screenshots, 1000s - 20 to 40 per night. He only needed one positive response, and he was shameless.
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GVGjr
I wish him a speedy recovery but I wonder at what point did he realise he needed help.
The sceptic in me suggests it was probably fairly recently.
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Mofra
According to some screenshots, 1000s - 20 to 40 per night. He only needed one positive response, and he was shameless.
If true then he certainly does have very real problems that need to be addressed and needless to say he should not be anywhere near a football club.
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Mofra
According to some screenshots, 1000s - 20 to 40 per night. He only needed one positive response, and he was shameless.
Those numbers are pretty staggering..............
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jeemak
Those numbers are pretty staggering..............
If the subject matter wasn't so unsavory it would actually be kind of impressive. Perhaps he should pursue a career in sales where his dogged persistence can be put to a legitimate use.
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Axe Man
If the subject matter wasn't so unsavory it would actually be kind of impressive. Perhaps he should pursue a career in sales where his dogged persistence can be put to a legitimate use.
Patton realty - "Doesn't take 'no' for an answer"
Then insert his head onto a body with a yellow blazer
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Axe Man
If the subject matter wasn't so unsavory it would actually be kind of impressive. Perhaps he should pursue a career in sales where his dogged persistence can be put to a legitimate use.
Selling used cars might be all that's left once this is all said and done.
Given the messages flying around, I wonder if he'll celebrate his 100th car sale with a frozen ice cream cake?
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Normally I'm pretty happy to give blokes the benefit of the doubt, especially when their career has been curtailed by injury. But not in this case. Patton has been a flog of the highest order, and he strikes me as one of those who by dint of his size, lorded over others, and was pandered to by junior coaches.
I've had first hand experience with those types in Qld, being in the same class as Julian O'Neil.
They get a free pass for their behaviour from those who could hold them to account because they don't want to risk them going elsewhere.
It does those kids a disservice later in life.
I'll never forget how Parton cruelly taunted Tom Boyd in the preliminary. So glad that it backfired.
Patton will not be missed by me.