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Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?
One Carlton fan kicked out. Some Richmond cheer squad members kicked out. What's your view?
While I think Adam Goodes is a great guy, I personally do not think minors should be ejected from games without a guardian. And people insulting umpires should probably get one warning or anyone for that matter.
An Age commentator chimed on the recent ejection of a Carlton fan " Overbearing and politicised is the entire AFL nowadays. Trying (and failing dismally) to be all things holy and a beacon of perfection to everyone. Just stick to your knitting."
I remember once going to the baseball in Japan and it was like attending parent's day at a school play. Everyone clapped politely at the same time. Is this what we want our game to become like?
How are you we supposed to get umpires if we can't stop them being abused? What if an umpire has mental health struggles?
Is the argument about 'It's a workplace and umpires should not have to tolerate that' valid in a highly competitive sporting comp? It's not like any other work place!
Many issues there.
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I get the passion that supporters have at AFL games and it's a great tradition and one I would hate to see lost on a game that has become all too clinical.
I do however, go back to some advice I received as a youngster and that was about the fact that you attend sporting events as a supporter and therefore that should be your primary reason for attending the game is to support your team. It's doesn't mean getting in the face of opposition supporters, it doesn't mean abusing umpires or opposition players especially in a coordinated way.
We just don't need to boo players or officials as it adds nothing to the game but too many people think it's their paid up right to abuse people when it isn't. I especially dislike the almost coordinated manner or pack mentality with how it's been happening over the last few years.
We shouldn't be disrespecting people in the manner we have been but I think it's going to get worse.
Even educating people won't work and we only have to look at gambling addition and drug use in the footy community to know that all the education in the world won't stop people making bad decisions.
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Give people something better to do?
In China the level of fan engagement at sporting events is full on. They give away lots of stuff, lots of polls you can enter via wechat, scantily clad cheer leaders ( one thing we don't seem to be copying from American sports! ).
AFL day game entertainment tends to be a little budget and overall, woeful. Maybe this is one remedy besides 'education' which may or may not work.
I can't remember ever going to a game and coming home thinking ' wow that half time entertainment was good'.
Do we need a selection of 'appropriate things to shout at the umpire' listed on the back of the footy record? :D
The AFL is highly unimaginative and lacking in fun. During the Goodes thing they could have created one of those huge inflatable balls they used to have at the cricket in Aboriginal colours and had it doing the rounds of the crowds during half time. Would have kept people entertained and a gentle reminder. Bad idea? well anyway they are just not very inventive or creative with fan engagement. Maybe they need to hire Titus.
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Regarding Goodes GD, the AFL is far better for the Nicky Winmar line in the sand type moment and it's sad to say it was highly controversial at the time and it will be better for Adam Goodes calling out racism despite the age of the young lady doing it.
Players like Winmar and Goodes felt obligated to make those stances and I feel they were targeted for doing what they were supposed to.
Booing GAJ or umpires might be the 'in thing' at the moment but hopefully many will learn that it's not the right thing to do week after week
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I voted "Warning". Tossing someone out over that is absurd.
Unpopular opinion... I think Goodes did more to advance the "Adam Goodes is a complete flog" argument than the "Australia is racist" argument, when he took on that child. It was disgraceful then, and it is now, to see a child publicly held up as "the face of racism". Still think he's a flog and that's why he was booed. Eddie Betts is a star, he's indigenous, he doesn't get roundly booed.
Gablett gets booed because he's a flog, and as recent events show, is treated differently to the rest of the league when it comes to applying the rules. That's gonna get you booed - and I have no issue with it.
I agree with the comment re: sports in Japan. Their music concerts are the same. No thanks.
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GVGjr
Regarding Goodes GD, the AFL is far better for the Nicky Winmar line in the sand type moment and it's sad to say it was highly controversial at the time and it will be better for Adam Goodes calling out racism despite the age of the young lady doing it.
Players like Winmar and Goodes felt obligated to make those stances and I feel they were targeted for doing what they were supposed to.
Booing GAJ or umpires might be the 'in thing' at the moment but hopefully many will learn that it's not the right thing to do week after week
I'm not sure the AFL is going to get the desired result in it's handling of this and other matters.
Kids should never be dragged out of a stadium by themselves if they are underage. If necessary they and a parent should be escorted out. There were several options available but it seems like the AFL hasn't really thought their game day policies through very carefully. Do players have the right to ask a fan to be ejected at any time? Who gets to decide if the player is correct? What if an umpire or player mishears of misinterprets what a fan says? It's going to work far better if you have sporting communities working with you. I don't think many people have an appreciation of what it takes to be an umpire. We don't celebrate their roles nearly enough.
If this is going to be the policy at AFL level why not get Cricket involved? And Rugby?
I am not sure education is a complete waste of time. The campaign to quieten parents down at local games was a good one I thought and necessary. It's just these things need to be maintained over time I guess and unified at stadium level across codes.
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Adam did the right thing, but I'm not sure the AFL is going to get the desired result in it's handling of the matter. As the recent documentary shows, they really stuffed it up. Kids should never be dragged out of a stadium by themselves if they are underage. If necessary they and a parent should be escorted out.
Today's club statement is interesting. For two reasons as I see it.
1. The use of the term tragedy. (See Congo and Belgians, Holocaust and treatment of First Australians by European settlers as examples of actual tragedy).
2. This paragraph "In late 2014, we were horrified by this unfolding tragedy including the behaviour of significant sections of our own supporter base attending the Round 22 match against Sydney at the then Etihad Stadium"
Our club has just released a public statement saying significant sections (I'd have that at well over 50% more like 75%) of us, as supporters, were complicit in a tragedy.
I don't know what to think about that. I'll need some time to digest it I think.
Would like to get others thoughts. Pretty smart people on here.
For the poll I chose warning.
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How may people in the work force can handle a lot of scrutiny now?
From my experience, you have to be so careful when doing your one-on-one catch-up's with staff and especially during the formal appraisal process. So many people are fragile and can't handle constructive feedback, they despise being measured against their KPI's singling out any little reason as primary factors on why they haven't hit their targets and yet they demand to be treated as professionals and often say they don't need to be managed.
I wonder how many of them then go to the footy on the weekend to pay out on others they don't feel are measuring up?
There are some double standards in the way many are treating others and it's interesting that some people think it's their god given right to call people flogs and boo them because it supposedly needs to be called out.
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AndrewP6
I voted "Warning". Tossing someone out over that is absurd.
Unpopular opinion... I think Goodes did more to advance the "Adam Goodes is a complete flog" argument than the "Australia is racist" argument, when he took on that child. It was disgraceful then, and it is now, to see a child publicly held up as "the face of racism". Still think he's a flog and that's why he was booed. Eddie Betts is a star, he's indigenous, he doesn't get roundly booed.
Gablett gets booed because he's a flog, and as recent events show, is treated differently to the rest of the league when it comes to applying the rules. That's gonna get you booed - and I have no issue with it.
I agree with the comment re: sports in Japan. Their music concerts are the same. No thanks.
Appreciate this post. If the topic is should we kick people out or not, I agree that ejecting people for sledging an umpire is very heavy handed,( if this rule applied in the premier league half the stadium would be out! ) and has to be done carefully with minors. Tend to think the AFL's handling of things didn't really advance Adam's cause. Footy is a lightning rod for emotions. Better to take the steam out of things than approach it as they do. Surely if you took a few officials over to the Richmond mob behind the goals and had a few words to the leaders it would calm them down. The worry is it turns into a game of whack-a-mole, with people just not wanting to get caught, rather than finding better ways to express themselves.
But this is Melbourne. You get on a train and if you haven't tapped your Myki you are suddenly surrounded by three green people with big boots and note pads. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
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Ghost Dog
I'm not sure the AFL is going to get the desired result in it's handling of this and other matters.
Kids should never be dragged out of a stadium by themselves if they are underage. If necessary they and a parent should be escorted out. There were several options available but it seems like the AFL hasn't really thought their game day policies through very carefully. Do players have the right to ask a fan to be ejected at any time? Who gets to decide if the player is correct? What if an umpire or player mishears of misinterprets what a fan says? It's going to work far better if you have sporting communities working with you. I don't think many people have an appreciation of what it takes to be an umpire. We don't celebrate their roles nearly enough.
If this is going to be the policy at AFL level why not get Cricket involved? And Rugby?
I am not sure education is a complete waste of time. The campaign to quieten parents down at local games was a good one I thought and necessary. It's just these things need to be maintained over time I guess and unified at stadium level across codes.
That's a good assessment. There is nothing in there that I don't agree with. From what I remember Goodes ran at a Carlton supporter shaking his fist in an action that Goodes himself later described as a war dance. What was the Carlton supporter doing that deserved that? Are we to believe that Goodes concentration was waning to the extent that he was listening to the crowd rather than what his teammates were saying?
I can remember Tony Liberatore being booed and abused every time he had the ball in his hands and Libba's attitude was "Bring it on. At least when they are booing me I know that I am getting plenty of the ball" While some might say that two wrongs don't make a right I still know who's attitude I support.
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Twodogs
That's a good assessment. There is nothing in there that I don't agree with. From what I remember Goodes ran at a Carlton supporter shaking his fist in an action that Goodes himself later described as a war dance. What was the Carlton supporter doing that deserved that? Are we to believe that Goodes concentration was waning to the extent that he was listening to the crowd rather than what his teammates were saying?
I can remember Tony Liberatore being booed and abused every time he had the ball in his hands and Libba's attitude was "Bring it on. At least when they are booing me I know that I am getting plenty of the ball" While some might say that two wrongs don't make a right I still know who's attitude I support.
Cheers TD. Fans to be given a warning for you TD? Or make sledging umpires accepted part of the game, as they do in soccer.
Don't want to turn a thread into a revisionist thing of that one incident, but I guess all people wish they had done things differently at that time regards that issue.
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I fully agree with not swearing at umpires but for the life of me I cannot see the problem in giving the umpire some "good advice". I do it from time to time and I will continue to do it when the umpiring deserves it. I will post on WOOF if I am kicked out.
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Ghost Dog
Fans to be given a warning for you TD? Or make sledging umpires accepted part of the game, as they do in soccer.
Adam was trying to fumble his way through a complex situation I think ( with a bit of dance creativity, probably was trying to borrow from the Hakka ) Don't want to turn a thread into a revisionist thing of that one incident, but I guess all people wish they had done things differently at that time regards that issue.
Greg Inglis used to do a goanna dance when he scored a try and no-one ever got upset about that, in fact outside of NRL I would be surprised if anyone even knew he did it. We can honor different racial aspects without getting out knickers into a knot about it.
I voted that sledging umpires is a great tradition.
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Grantysghost
Today's club statement is interesting. For two reasons as I see it.
1. The use of the term tragedy. (See Congo and Belgians, Holocaust and treatment of First Australians by European settlers as examples of actual tragedy).
2. This paragraph "In late 2014, we were horrified by this unfolding tragedy including the behaviour of significant sections of our own supporter base attending the Round 22 match against Sydney at the then Etihad Stadium"
Our club has just released a public statement saying significant sections (I'd have that at well over 50% more like 75%) of us, as supporters, were complicit in a tragedy.
I don't know what to think about that. I'll need some time to digest it I think.
Would like to get others thoughts. Pretty smart people on here.
For the poll I chose warning.
I just read the whole thing. I'm not sure why we needed to put it out, obviously there's some good reason I don't see. And the evidence of our commitment to equality was (among others) Bobby wearing a 37 jumper for one single game's coin toss doesn't change a single thing or help one indigenous Australian. If that's among our best evidence of commitment to equality, we need to maybe do something of substance. I don't have strong feelings either way, I'm probably just more confused by it more than anything.
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Ghost Dog
scantily clad cheer leaders ( one thing we don't seem to be copying from American sports! ).
Thank goodness we don't do this - absolutely demeaning to women. WE tried this in the 70's, and we had Charlie's Angels cheersquad. A bunch of girls with not much on - maybe the men like it, but I am 100% sure most women wouldn't have.
On the question of being thrown out for abusing the umpire - I think a warning if it is not spouting racial vilification, or hatred towards the minority etc - is appropriate. Using the word Poof like the Carlton supporter is not on.
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Thank goodness we don't do this - absolutely demeaning to women. WE tried this in the 70's, and we had Charlie's Angels cheersquad. A bunch of girls with not much on - maybe the men like it, but I am 100% sure most women wouldn't have.
On the question of being thrown out for abusing the umpire - I think a warning if it is not spouting racial vilification, or hatred towards the minority etc - is appropriate. Using the word Poof like the Carlton supporter is not on.
Different culture isn't it! Even in some US primary schools, I heard they have cheerleading competitions.
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I don’t have a problem with umpire abuse , it’s the fact they are umpires it’s nothing to do with personal, we have all gone off at umpires but to be honest I wouldn’t have a clue who they are(except Razor) it’s a 2 second rant at a wrong decision, not a personal attack on the actual person.
To be honest I might go off at Razor but you know what ? I respect him for doing the job, it’s a near on impossible with the way the AFL makes grey rules.
Just don’t make bad decisions against the Bulldogs .
Another way to look at it is why are spectators abusing umpires ?
Maybe the AFL need to look at themselves and a lot of stupid rules the umpires are forced to adjudicate on that are so grey !
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bornadog
Thank goodness we don't do this - absolutely demeaning to women. WE tried this in the 70's, and we had Charlie's Angels cheersquad. A bunch of girls with not much on - maybe the men like it, but I am 100% sure most women wouldn't have.
On the question of being thrown out for abusing the umpire - I think a warning if it is not spouting racial vilification, or hatred towards the minority etc - is appropriate. Using the word Poof like the Carlton supporter is not on.
The Carlton fan says he used the word flog and he was choosing his words carefully because of what happened to the Richmond cheer squad last week. Umpires and the like need to be careful here, they don't get the benefit of speaking with privilege, if they say that someone called them a poof then they have to be able to prove that the person they have picked out of a crowd of thousands did indeed call them a poof or face the fact that they have defamed someone's character, caused that person to be vilified and had them thrown out of the ground because they have imagined an insult.
I couldn't be that sure.
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Twodogs
The Carlton fan says he used the word flog and he was choosing his words carefully because of what happened to the Richmond cheer squad last week. Umpires and the like need to be careful here, they don't get the benefit of speaking with privilege, if they say that someone called them a poof then they have to be able to prove that the person they have picked out of a crowd of thousands did indeed call them a poof or face the fact that they have defamed someone's character, caused that person to be vilified and had them thrown out of the ground because they have imagined an insult.
I couldn't be that sure.
Thanks, I did see they changed it to flog.
I wonder if you have any redress against the Stadium management. Where does it say in the terms of entry you can't call someone a flog :D
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Thanks, I did see they changed it to flog.
I wonder if you have any redress against the Stadium management. Where does it say in the terms of entry you can't call someone a flog :D
No worries BAD.
If the guy were to take action then it would be against the umpire in question wouldn't it? If this has played out in the way it's said to have then he's the one who has slandered the Carlton supporter. I doubt stadium management or the umpires' department send umpires out and tell them to defame fans.
This is down to the individual (umpire) in question. He needs to understand that his action had a consequence for the person he pointed out and I hope that person takes an action and gets the remedy the law says he should, whether that's an apology or financial recompense.
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As a youngen, I would boo and call the umpires ‘white maggots’. It’s what I saw, it’s what I replicated. As a father of two, I teach my kids not to boo. It’s the lowest order of wit and not needed in the game. I teach them to cheer for their team (one Bulldog, one Docker) and not boo the opposition players, regardless of their actions ( except Stringer ... GrubGrubGrubGrub him :p).
As I have grown older, and society has matured, the need/want to boo has waned. Time to move on.
In regard to abusing umpires, I use a smart-Alec comment that does not contain a swear word or is derogatory. The umpires (as a whole) do an incredible job.
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If an umpire isn't getting abused doesn't that mean his doing a good job.
If you can't let him or her know the error of their ways how will they know they have had a good game.
I never boo and I never rant unless it's in my own home in private.
When ever I get a chance to see a game live I'm very meek and people wouldn't even know I'm there.
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If he called him a poof , how is that derogatory?
Haven’t we all been told we are all the same no matter our sexual preferences ?
What if he is gay and we call him a heterosexual or straight is that supporter kicked out ?
I don’t get how society works how PC is ridiculously pushed to the minority and the majority are stepped on.
I give an example if you call an aboriginal an ape it’s an insult but if you call a white man an ape it means your big and strong.
I’ve always known calling someone an ape meant you were a big guy , nothing to do with skin colour or race.
Umpires have been booed off the ground since I’ve know football, mainly because the person booing is a fan of the losing team and are one eyed supporter. *!*!*!*! me it’s not personal it’s a vent it’s where people go to be emotional about their team and the team they play.
Really want to see abuse and bullying go to an interstate game , I’m old I’m aged I take it like water off a ducks back and after the game you can usually have a beer with the supporters who were yelling and screaming.
I went to our AFL grand final both sides supporters were emotional and threw the odd line at players and umpires , after we won a swans supporter actually bought me a beer and congratulated us.
I’m sure that once that siren goes players supporters and umpires errors are all forgotten and no one would be vindictive.
It’s more the media spinning this rubbish and making the whole supporting your team and not the opposition a joke.
On that note I have seen it’s mostly a teams supporters who barrack for the same team that get into fights, it’s the alcohol that does it but no way will the AFL admit to that! Responsible serving of alcohol at football games doesn’t exist.
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If he called him a poof , how is that derogatory?
Haven’t we all been told we are all the same no matter our sexual preferences ?
What if he is gay and we call him a heterosexual or straight is that supporter kicked out ?
I don’t get how society works how PC is ridiculously pushed to the minority and the majority are stepped on.
I give an example if you call an aboriginal an ape it’s an insult but if you call a white man an ape it means your big and strong.
I’ve always known calling someone an ape meant you were a big guy , nothing to do with skin colour or race.
Umpires have been booed off the ground since I’ve know football, mainly because the person booing is a fan of the losing team and are one eyed supporter. *!*!*!*! me it’s not personal it’s a vent it’s where people go to be emotional about their team and the team they play.
Really want to see abuse and bullying go to an interstate game , I’m old I’m aged I take it like water off a ducks back and after the game you can usually have a beer with the supporters who were yelling and screaming.
I went to our AFL grand final both sides supporters were emotional and threw the odd line at players and umpires , after we won a swans supporter actually bought me a beer and congratulated us.
I’m sure that once that siren goes players supporters and umpires errors are all forgotten and no one would be vindictive.
It’s more the media spinning this rubbish and making the whole supporting your team and not the opposition a joke.
On that note I have seen it’s mostly a teams supporters who barrack for the same team that get into fights, it’s the alcohol that does it but no way will the AFL admit to that! Responsible serving of alcohol at football games doesn’t exist.
Because that particular word has negative connotations and is often used in a pejorative manner? If you really need to differentiate (and I don't see what somebody's sexuality has to do with their ability to umpire or play the game-The boundary umpire Graeme Carbery managed perfectly well until Phil Carmen headbutted him and then chose to out him in the press.) then why not use the words gay or queer which is what they chose to call themselves?
If you really want to understand then Google the name Ian Roberts (Rugby League) and read a little about his story to get a different view of the situation.
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I didn't really start this as a revisionist look at the Goodes incident. That's just one isolated incident but sheds light on AFL's poor processes. Adam's actions are in no way questioned. It's about the AFL and how they want to manage crowds. If they are serious about stamping out racism, and abuse of umpires, they need to have a unified policy with other stadiums and codes so their policies are clear, unified at VFL level as well, to protect umpires in a way that keeps the flow of the game. If their policies are done poorly, probably not a lot will happen other than a few people giving up on AFL or choosing to stay at home to watch it. I imagine the AFL can live with that. Someone brave may try to sue them I guess.
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Personally reckon there’s a lot of grey in this. I was shocked someone would get tossed out for calling someone a flog, but can see why they would for calling someone a poof, ape, or similar “hate” words. Society has moved on from that stuff... but surely we can call an ump a flog, a clown, a muppet... that kind of thing.
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https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...11-p51wfr.html
'I'm not at the ballet': Cops bail up Pies fan for 'barracking too loud'
A footy fan at Monday's Queen's Birthday clash at the MCG claims he was threatened with eviction by half a dozen police because he was "barracking too loud".
Pies supporter Simon Grech, 39, a self-described "very passionate supporter", says he was sitting with a group of mates in his usual seat in the Collingwood reserve section when the police approached him in the second quarter after a spectacular Jordan De Goey goal.
He said police acknowledged he was not swearing or being abusive, and when he questioned them about the apparent problem an officer replied: "Do you hear what I said? You're barracking too loud".
Mr Grech said another officer told him he wasn't doing anything wrong but that they had to follow protocol.
"I want to to know whose orders are they acting on because it's getting beyond a joke," Mr Grech said.
"I'm not at the ballet, I'm at the footy. I pay $1000 a year ... Why should the AFL take my money and then take away my right to support my team?
"For the whole second half I didn't say boo. They used the words 'unsociable barracking' or something like that ... do they want us to wear seat belts now so we can't jump up?
"You want me to start fairy-clapping? Are we at a cupcake contest?"
The incident sparked a social media firestorm on Monday after someone sitting nearby posted to Twitter that the father of two was "not offensive, not swearing, just loud."
Fans have been up in arms after a series of recent bans and evictions for what many say is no more than passionate supporting.
It is becoming ridiculous now. There is more if anyone would like to click on link.
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AFL is becoming unbearable. The sooner Gilligan and Hocking are sacked the better.
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Might get a fan revolt and people won’t go.
Other sports around competing against the AFL, might just help them sports.
It seriously is stupid IMO.
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Twodogs
Because that particular word has negative connotations and is often used in a pejorative manner? If you really need to differentiate (and I don't see what somebody's sexuality has to do with their ability to umpire or play the game-The boundary umpire Graeme Carbery managed perfectly well until Phil Carmen headbutted him and then chose to out him in the press.) then why not use the words gay or queer which is what they chose to call themselves?
If you really want to understand then Google the name Ian Roberts (Rugby League) and read a little about his story to get a different view of the situation.
Well said Td. As for the ape reference ... nah can't be bothered. Let's get the thread back on track.
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This will start a game of whack-a-mole backlash. You watch. 3000 collingwood fans are going to get together and start chanting flog, flog, flog. What are they going to do then? It will become a badge of honour for being kicked out, like it was back in bay 13.
To the Melbourne silver spooners I would say instead of griping about others, barrack harder and drown the others out. At least that is what I thought AFL footy was about.
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It is really getting quite ridiculous.
We go to the footy and display our passion for our team in our case the Bulldogs and you will hear all sorts of stuff and you should not be kicked out for it.
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Australian media is controlled by right wing conservative types that loves to stoke and provoke using 'left-wing trigger' ( focus on gender rage, LGTBI, Indigenous rage, etc etc ) and 'suburban family trigger' news bait ( African gangs, 'Aussies doing it tough' etc etc). Expect that Theage and other fairfax news will love riding this attack on the freedom of good old Umpire sledging aussies to generate lots of suburban twitter rage to get lots of clicks.
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I reckon that all those sweet little old ladies who sat around the fence at Western Oval, back when I was a kid, might have been lucky to be still there at a quarter time these days. They certainly voiced their support in no uncertain terms.
And good on them too.
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I wouldnt be surprised if the violence that has become prevalent at games in the last couple of years has a direct correlation to this crack down on yelling (Its not even swearing for *!*!*!*!'s sake!) People being told that they cant vent through the game are going to bottle up their emotions and strike out when it reaches boiling point. The authorities (otherwise known as Gil and his mates) have mucked up big time on this and need to come out, admit they were wrong and fix the problem.
It's become a counter productive problem of their own making and if they are incapable of making it better then what is the point of them? We may as well save the millions we are paying for the stupid committee that only seems to exist to hand out jobs and roles to Steve Hocking's mates. And Steve Hocking is a dill.
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Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?
Hey I'm all for people getting kicked out for using the word "flog" - just because the use of the word makes my skin crawl!
But in all seriousness, unless something said is extremely offensive (racist, homophobic, over the top swearing), then it is absolute rubbish to be kicking people out. And who is dobbing in other fans for this?
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Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?
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Ozza
Hey I'm all for people getting kicked out for using the word "flog" - just because the use of the word makes my skin crawl!
But in all seriousness, unless something said is extremely offensive (racist, homophobic, over the top swearing), then it is absolute rubbish to be kicking people out. And who is dobbing in other fans for this?
People that need to try and figure out what they expect when they go to the football?
They remind me of people who move in next door to venues like the Esplanade or the Tote or the Prince of Wales and then complain about the noise.
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Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?
Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names? No, but for abuse that over the top then yes.
Abusing/lambasting/criticising the umpires is part of sport. The best umpires are the anonymous umpires where they put away the whistle and let the game flow. That's true in every sport....AFL, Soccer, Rugby, Hockey etc - to take that away is to reduce the game to an Opera or Stage Show where the audience is allowed to interact with polite applause.
Where throwing a fan out (is underage then with their legal guardian) is where that abuse is over the top or out of order. Here we are delving into insultingly homophobic, racist, sexist or rude and offensive to people generally. That's not fun and is not banter.
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Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?
I mentioned in another thread about hearing two sides to every story. The media all reported a Carlton supporter was thrown out for calling an umpire a flog, and we all believed it.
Here is the other side of the story:
AFL says Carlton fan was evicted for 'spooking' umpire by running, screaming, waving his arms
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Re: Should fans be ejected for calling umpires names?
Spooked! How traumatic. Waving arms can be pretty threatening. The umpire only has two escorts in orange vests to defend him, better upgrade that to six.
The fan was removed when standing where he bought his ticket, so am not sure about that claim. Must check the allegiance of the umpire. Might be wearing Collingwood underpants.
Regards article above, no less than three journalists attributed to this story, despite the fact at least two of them probably didn't do much. Most of it is copied and pasted from previous articles.
That's one way of looking very well researched I guess. Well played AGE.
Wow, will they all share the Walkley on that one? Flogs...