AFL lists likely to be cut by two but no guarantees following meetings
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AFL list sizes are likely to be trimmed by two next year however players left meetings with the AFL Players' Association on Tuesday without guarantees about list structures or total player payments for 2021.
The uncertainty surrounding what club lists will look like next year continues to drag on, causing exasperation for clubs and players alike. The free agency and player trade period windows are set to conclude without definitive answers, with sources suggesting clubs are desperate for clarity ahead of next month's national draft.
The AFLPA held virtual briefings with players on Tuesday in a bid to shed light on negotiations between the league and the union.
While a deal is yet to be locked away, sources familiar with the situation said lists were likely to drop by two spots from this year to next.
As it stands, clubs have 44 players on their lists (inclusive of senior listed and Category A rookies) as well as up to three Category B rookies.
Players forfeited around 30 per cent of their pay following this year's coronavirus-impacted season, and a resolution on a pay cut for next year is not yet forthcoming.
Some industry sources expect it will fall in the vicinity of a 10 per cent cut on the initial collective bargaining agreement stipulations.
Any revised deal will almost certainly be for just one year, with the league and union mindful of the uncertainty created by a COVID-19-affected world.
There is also a prospect that an agreement could be reached whereby players agree to a cut and then end up receiving more money should revenue exceed projections.
The protracted list size issue has already affected a raft of players around the league, many of whom have been left in limbo as clubs await confirmation on the situation.
Veteran ruckman Stefan Martin was traded from the Brisbane Lions to the Western Bulldogs on Tuesday in part because the Lions had been reluctant to offer him a new contract without knowing what lists would look like in 2021.
The AFLPA has been mindful that almost the entire industry has felt the pain of the pandemic's financial impact, with the football department soft cap slashed for next year and jobs being cut at AFL House.
Sydney chief executive Tom Harley told SEN earlier this week that the list size situation had complicated this year's trade period, which ends on Thursday night.
"There's a lot more to it than just the trades that most people see," Harley said.
"It's difficult not knowing what the list spots are and particularly when you're trading in future picks as well."
Re: AFL lists likely to be cut by two but no guarantees following meetings
Way too late in the piece. This should have been a much higher priority
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Mofra
Way too late in the piece. This should have been a much higher priority
Still not agreed either.
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further information and full article here
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AFL club lists sizes will be cut to a minimum of 37 and a maximum of 44 players - including all rookies – next year.
The number of primary list players will be cut by two and the total rookie numbers by one from limits this year.
Sources close to the situation confirmed the AFL is close to agreement with the AFL Players Association on final list sizes with an announcement expected in the next week. Further meetings were due to be held with the AFL Players Association on Thursday.
Re: AFL lists likely to be cut by two but no guarantees following meetings
We currently have 34 contracted players + say 3 from the draft = 37. Our total allowed will be 42 assuming no one qualifies for category B - potentially Raak or Khamis may???
So ignoring any more trades and category B we likely need to cut 3 more players from the 8 we have uncontracted as a minimum.
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Axe Man
We currently have 34 contracted players + say 3 from the draft = 37. Our total allowed will be 42 assuming no one qualifies for category B - potentially Raak or Khamis may???
So ignoring any more trades and category B we likely need to cut 3 more players from the 8 we have uncontracted as a minimum.
BAD just posted that the draft minimum is now 1 player so potentially we bring in JUH and that’s it.
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bulldogsthru&thru
BAD just posted that the draft minimum is now 1 player so potentially we bring in JUH and that’s it.
Yeah just read that after I posted. I would hope we still take 3 players, happy to cut 3 of the 8 uncontracted we have left.
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AFLPA and AFL have a lot to answer for.
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azabob
AFLPA and AFL have a lot to answer for.
It's been a complete balls up. Even with a late finish to a season trey still couldn't get their shit together and get this sorted.
I'd imagine the players pay fairly significant coin into the AFLPA. Their value for money over the last 5 years or so has been terrible.
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Now they’re considering a second trade period because of the uncertainty around spots and salary cap. GWS would be ropeable that they agreed to the Caldwell deal at the last moment, and Collingwood might have been able to conjure up some better deals if given another crack.
AFL is bush league.
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The AFL has made policy on the run a specialty of there's.
I am taking absolutely nothing for granted.
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westdog54
The AFL has made policy on the run a specialty of there's.
I am taking absolutely nothing for granted.
You do realise that this is a negotiation going on between AFL and AFLPA and they can't come to an agreement at this stage.
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bornadog
You do realise that this is a negotiation going on between AFL and AFLPA and they can't come to an agreement at this stage.
Yes I do.
I was referring to the rumored second draft period.
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westdog54
Yes I do.
I was referring to the rumored second draft period.
My error, sorry. Yes agree with you, they are appalling.
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westdog54
Yes I do.
I was referring to the rumored second draft period.
Actually the AFLPA would probably be pushing that as well so players could get to where they want.
Biggest issue they have had over the years is for players to get more movement/ opportunity.
