New record by the Blues? How did they stuff up so badly?

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Originally Posted by Twodogs

Yep agreed. I read a lot of salty Carlton supporters saying that the punishment they copped for salary cap cheating in 1999 were too much and set the club back too far. Well, yeah, that was part of the idea. They benefited from cheating and playing cute with the rules and spirit of the competition so they get no sympathy from me.

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Well how long can they use that excuse it’s 20years ago.

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Originally Posted by ledge

Well how long can they use that excuse it’s 20years ago.

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How many rebuilds can you go though in that time? Surely enough

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Originally Posted by hujsh

How many rebuilds can you go though in that time? Surely enough

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Until they get it right. And that means bringing kids in, teaching them properly and stop taking short cuts with crap players from other clubs. It's a long process and it can't be abrogated.

For all I care, they can stay at the bottom. :D

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Originally Posted by bornadog

For all I care, they can stay at the bottom. :D

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I'm going past that to say I hope they stay on the bottom. Apart from Richmond Carlton supporters are the most arrogant in the competition. I'm enjoying all the schadenfreude after the late '70s and early '80s-although even then we usually did OK against them. They really touched us up a couple of times with 20 goal wins but even reigning Carlton premiership teams used to dread the trip out to West Footscray.

1983 was the best. We finished stone, motherless last in 1982 and Carlton and Hawthorn played off in the grand final. We lose to Geelong in R1 and then went on 4 week winning spree that starts with Carlton at Whitten oval and includes Hawthorn two weeks later at Princes Park. That must be a unique record the wooden spooners beating both the grand finalists in the first 4 weeks of the season. That was a good team that Shane O'Sullivan (the one true SOS!) somehow put together on the smell of an oily rag.

The thing is with Carlton they still just keep sacking coaches and not looking at the culture or where they are going wrong higher up.
They still think being from Carlton means your going to bring success.
They won’t improve until they look in the mirror instead of passing the buck.

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Originally Posted by Twodogs

Yep agreed. I read a lot of salty Carlton supporters saying that the punishment they copped for salary cap cheating in 1999 were too much and set the club back too far. Well, yeah, that was part of the idea. They benefited from cheating and playing cute with the rules and spirit of the competition so they get no sympathy from me.

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There's only 1 team to win a flag in the same year they cheated the salary cap and they did it twice - Essendon in 1993 and 2000 (both flags should be stripped forever from the record books just as the storm's flags were). Then of course they disgraced the competition with their systematic PED regime straight out of East Germany, and were able to actually benefit through first access to supplementary list players and being able to trade into the first 2 rounds of the draft.

Carlton are dirty skunks who cheated the cap but they were punished far more than those red and black scumbags.

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Originally Posted by Sedat

There's only 1 team to win a flag in the same year they cheated the salary cap and they did it twice - Essendon in 1993 and 2000 (both flags should be stripped forever from the record books just as the storm's flags were). Then of course they disgraced the competition with their systematic PED regime straight out of East Germany, and were able to actually benefit through first access to supplementary list players and being able to trade into the first 2 rounds of the draft.

Carlton are dirty skunks who cheated the cap but they were punished far more than those red and black scumbags.

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It's a good point. I'm happy to take Essendon's flags off them. they should take 1923-24 off them too, they bribed their way to those.