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Rating our list 2020 Josh Schache 13
Well number 5 is back so we'll continue on:D. Anyway the list rating still goes on as we continue to evaluate each player on our list starting with the highest number Lin Jong down to Matthew Suckling.
The poll will run for a week and when your post in the poll if you can give a reason on your thoughts so we can share your insights.
At the end we'll see how our list looks in the eyes of WOOF members.
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Re: Rating our list 2020 Josh Schache 13
A few stats:
Age : 23
Height: 199cm
Weight: 94Kg
Games: 56
Josh Schache joined the Western Bulldogs as part of a deadline deal in the 2017 NAB AFL Trade Period, after the Club sent picks 25 and 40 to the Brisbane Lions in exchange for the 20-year old key forward. A highly-touted junior, Schache joined the Bulldogs after 27 games and two seasons at the Lions after he was taken with the second overall pick at the 2015 NAB AFL Draft. The former Murray Bushranger won the Larke Medal as the best player in Division 1 of the 2015 NAB AFL Under-18 championships, on the back of kicking 24 goals across the tournament. After settling back in Victoria, Schache has worked to establish himself as a strong forward option for the emerging Bulldogs attack. Schache played 10 of the last 11 games of the 2019 AFL Premiership Season, including making his AFL Finals debut. Schache has inked a contract extension in November, 2019 to ensure he remains at VU Whitten Oval until at least the end of 2022.
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Re: Rating our list 2020 Josh Schache 13
I like Josh but I marked him at VFL because I think he just lacks consistency and just doesn't get involved enough.
May be modern football doesn't suit him as he reminds me of a skinny Dunstall and if he was leading out of the box with a midfield that looks for him he could prosper.
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He surely can be AFL quality. Not sure what the conditions are to unlock that though. It it purely on him and his mentality? Does the coaching need to do something to allow for him to play consistently at a level appropriate for his talent? Tough one to answer. Right now he's in no-mans land.
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It’s simple. MC wants him to be more desperate and physical. If he can’t, then he’s playing VFL until he’s out of contract.
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Wouldn't mind seeing him get an Ayce Cordy six week window at half forward.
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Fairly or otherwise, he will struggle to get a look-in behind Bruce. Clearly he showed better synergy up forward with Naughts in late 2019 than Bruce did in 2020.
He needs to get crazy fit to be able to run and repeat effort up and down the arcs - that is well and truly in his control. He also needs to become so much more aggressive and competitive in marking contests - I'm not confident he has this in his demeanor to be able to do this. If he can't drastically improve both aspects, his AFL career is done at the end of this contract.
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I think he has the required skills and ability to be a regular and effective senior player. I still rate his potential but he needs to become a hungry for the football player and be harder at the man
It's up to Josh to lift his intensity now
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I think everyone has summed him up pretty well. One thing I can say is he is a beautiful set shot kick at goal.
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For the love of the fans Josh, show some urgency, show some desire for physical contest at the man, at the ball and at the contest.
Has all the tools to make it he just needs to show some damn urgency.
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Yeah at the end of 2018 I was all the way in, but I’m ready to move on. I’ve got a Jamarra now.
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Break out year for Josh. I'm calling it. Leading goal kicker 2021.
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I want him to get bigger and stronger, so he can help out in the ruck from the year after next as Martin winds his career down.
With Naughton and JUH as our long term forwards, I only see a role as a forward who can help out in the ruck for Josh long term with our club.
Has a lot of talent, just needs to find a way to match that with some aggression and authority within a game.
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Tbh I thought he was crashing packs and bringing the ball to ground in 2019.
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Re: Rating our list 2020 Josh Schache 13
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Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Tbh I thought he was crashing packs and bringing the ball to ground in 2019.
Tbh in 2020 he wasn’t.
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Originally Posted by
azabob
Tbh in 2020 he wasn’t.
To be fair, he had a good game against North including a couple of goals. Actually a better game than a dozen of Bruce’s.
Benched at half time in the rain with 2 possessions in his next game and never seen again.
Didn’t get much time to show anything.
For comparison: when Bruce got 2 possessions in a whole game he was selected the following week.
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Originally Posted by
Danjul
To be fair, he had a good game against North including a couple of goals. Actually a better game than a dozen of Bruce’s.
Benched at half time in the rain with 2 possessions in his next game and never seen again.
Didn’t get much time to show anything.
For comparison: when Bruce got 2 possessions in a whole game he was selected the following week.
Thanks BJ, Schache should never have been selected for that game, as for Bruce it was an awful season from him and it must place some questions if he was just so content in knowing he had a good long term deal and didn't feel motivated to perform
Whatever credits he had in the bank when he arrived at the club have been spent and in fact he owes us a great 2021 season
If he appears to be half arsed again we need to be prepared to drop him for an extended period
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A lot of people are putting JUH in their round one teams. Assuming that he isn't ready to step straight in to our senior squad, I see Schache as the perfect replacement for him in the short term.
I am a big fan of his work on the lead, marking and kicking (field and goal). He has a lot of AFL quality traits, and showed in 2019 that when he is shown trust and offered continuity he can be an important player. He didn't get that in 2020, through a combination of injury, poor training habits and lack of trust from the coaches.
He's definitely AFL quality, but I'm not sure if he will get a chance to show that with us.
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We still doing this “Schache can’t play in the wet” stuff? His best two games in 2019 were in the wet, one in the middle of a pseudo hurricane. He got benched because he gave up, just like he did against Collingwood.
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Originally Posted by
Happy Days
We still doing this “Schache can’t play in the wet” stuff? His best two games in 2019 were in the wet, one in the middle of a pseudo hurricane. He got benched because he gave up, just like he did against Collingwood.
I don’t believe Schache gave up.
I know this will get me excommunicated but
neither Naughton nor Bruce were benched in the final and both were useless well beyond halftime and in almost perfect conditions.
And Naughton ( after 1 possession to 3/4 time ??) went on to have a good last quarter.
personally I don’t care if Schache never plays again. It is not about him. It is the double standard I find distasteful.
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Originally Posted by
Happy Days
We still doing this “Schache can’t play in the wet” stuff? His best two games in 2019 were in the wet, one in the middle of a pseudo hurricane. He got benched because he gave up, just like he did against Collingwood.
We went into the game top heavy, Schache was the obvious one that shouldn't have played and that being said he was benched at half time. and never got another chance. If there are question marks on his commitment we should have worked overtime to find him a home during the trade period
I'd hate to give up on a very talented player and it's why I'd like to see him given an extended run to prove himself
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I believe Schache has the ability. He does need to bring intent.
Watching Naughton and he really attacks the ball in the air, while Schache seems unsure if he should even attempt to go at all.
It is time he found some aggression for the contest. Find that and he can be a very good player, otherwise he will soon be just a spectator.
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Originally Posted by
Bulldog Joe
I believe Schache has the ability. He does need to bring intent.
Watching Naughton and he really attacks the ball in the air, while Schache seems unsure if he should even attempt to go at all.
It is time he found some aggression for the contest. Find that and he can be a very good player, otherwise he will soon be just a spectator.
We can get the Proud Boys to help him with an initiation on aggression
https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeBiden/co..._not_to_laugh/
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If someone was to cut him some slack, they’d say:
- He was drafted at Pick 2
- He showed some good early signs
- He developed a psychological condition in Brisbane (home sickness)
- He quit, emptied his locker and drove back to Victoria
- Bulldogs traded for him
- In his first 27 games for us, he kicked 41.19 (inc. a match winning last qtr against Hawthorn last year)
- Bulldogs re-signed him
- This year he was forced to live back into QLD away from family which saw his form drop badly at Brisbane
- His form predictably dropped
- He was not traded and no credible suggestions he would.
- He’s back home, around family
- He will spend summer with Naughton, last years big trade (Bruce) & the exciting new pup in JUH, with healthy competition to get himself selected week to week which is exactly what he wants to happen
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That's a fair point BT. Forgot about the homesickness aspect which may have impacted his mental condition this year (also pretty taxing times all round in 2020)
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hujsh
That's a fair point BT. Forgot about the homesickness aspect which may have impacted his mental condition this year (also pretty taxing times all round in 2020)
I know a thing or two about PTSD and Post Traumatic Stress. If his time in Brisbane was as bad/traumatic for him as I’ve heard it was before joining us, going back up to live in QLD without family, again, living out and exposure to those thoughts, feelings and emotions could give rise to some degree of PTS in addition to home sickness. If even a very, very mild case, that’s enough to impact a professional athlete. I don’t know if it did or didn’t occur, but I myself would want to be 100% certain it didn’t occur before making any conclusions against the kid with regard to his season in the bubble. I think it’s worth considering at a minimum.
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
If someone was to cut him some slack, they’d say:
- He was drafted at Pick 2
- He showed some good early signs
- He developed a psychological condition in Brisbane (home sickness)
- He quit, emptied his locker and drove back to Victoria
- Bulldogs traded for him
- In his first 27 games for us, he kicked 41.19 (inc. a match winning last qtr against Hawthorn last year)
- Bulldogs re-signed him
- This year he was forced to live back into QLD away from family which saw his form drop badly at Brisbane
- His form predictably dropped
- He was not traded and no credible suggestions he would.
- He’s back home, around family
- He will spend summer with Naughton, last years big trade (Bruce) & the exciting new pup in JUH, with healthy competition to get himself selected week to week which is exactly what he wants to happen
The other huge anomaly those out of the AFL team faced was a lack of Footscray footy. Playing 15 a side games (sometimes in makeshift roles in patchwork teams) can't have been ideal. Would key position types find this more difficult than midfielders?
The other side of this is how seriously did the MC take the form of players from these games? Seemed like players were doing all the right things at times and still not getting a look (well, from the little crumbs of information we found out anyways).
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
If someone was to cut him some slack, they’d say:
- He was drafted at Pick 2
- He showed some good early signs
- He developed a psychological condition in Brisbane (home sickness)
- He quit, emptied his locker and drove back to Victoria
- Bulldogs traded for him
- In his first 27 games for us, he kicked 41.19 (inc. a match winning last qtr against Hawthorn last year)
- Bulldogs re-signed him
- This year he was forced to live back into QLD away from family which saw his form drop badly at Brisbane
- His form predictably dropped
- He was not traded and no credible suggestions he would.
- He’s back home, around family
- He will spend summer with Naughton, last years big trade (Bruce) & the exciting new pup in JUH, with healthy competition to get himself selected week to week which is exactly what he wants to happen
Never thought about it like this. Fingers crossed he can smash it next season.
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Schache has always had a tendency to pick and choose when to hit a pack hard in a marking contest. Would be great to pair him up with Steph Martin this preseason. He might be able to teach how to develop a more physical side to his game.
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Originally Posted by
Rocket surgeon
Schache has always had a tendency to pick and choose when to hit a pack hard in a marking contest. Would be great to pair him up with Steph Martin this preseason. He might be able to teach how to develop a more physical side to his game.
Good idea. Schache has a weakness synchronising upper body balance and high incoming ball movement. All successful ruckmen have it, and if Martin can help then the Dogs will get a huge boost.
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If the MC don’t want to play you for whatever reason, then you simply don’t play. I have grave fear for Josh next year, unfortunately, because he has good skills and is an elite kick.
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I absolutely have the same narrative running in my head. And, also, wasn't he injured for most of the season after his last game? I I'm sure I saw his name on the injury list most weeks. Something unspectacular but persistent.
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Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
If someone was to cut him some slack, they’d say:
- He was drafted at Pick 2
- He showed some good early signs
- He developed a psychological condition in Brisbane (home sickness)
- He quit, emptied his locker and drove back to Victoria
- Bulldogs traded for him
- In his first 27 games for us, he kicked 41.19 (inc. a match winning last qtr against Hawthorn last year)
- Bulldogs re-signed him
- This year he was forced to live back into QLD away from family which saw his form drop badly at Brisbane
- His form predictably dropped
- He was not traded and no credible suggestions he would.
- He’s back home, around family
- He will spend summer with Naughton, last years big trade (Bruce) & the exciting new pup in JUH, with healthy competition to get himself selected week to week which is exactly what he wants to happen
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The upside of Josh is high, he could certainly be our version of Hipwood if it comes together. I get the negativity from many but I’m also on the “cut him some slack” team. He may not ever bring the goods, but the dice roll is worth it. Last year was a particularly difficult year off field for Josh.
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Is it time for Josh to train with the defenders and see if he can lift his work rate and intensity?
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Dancin' Douggy
I absolutely have the same narrative running in my head. And, also, wasn't he injured for most of the season after his last game? I I'm sure I saw his name on the injury list most weeks. Something unspectacular but persistent.
It seems to be the point that is missed a lot. He was unavailable for selection for about half the season which can’t have helped him.
He has plenty of talent and an obvious deficiency which I’m not sure he can overcome. I hope he can get a really strongly pre-season in.
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GVGjr
Is it time for Josh to train with the defenders and see if he can lift his work rate and intensity?
He once said that he had never played in the backline, so maybe he needs to reinvent himself and give it a go. It would also help his forward craft if it doesn't totally work out.
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GVGjr
Is it time for Josh to train with the defenders and see if he can lift his work rate and intensity?
I'm not sure his game translates.
Liam Jones always attacked the ball in flight, he just couldn't read it in the air and constantly ran under it. Schache's lack of intensity would likely only be emphasized as a KPD.
I think that's a last ditch effort to save his career and we shouldn't be at that point yet. Hasn't he got 2 years left on a deal? It's something I'd look at in 12 months if he still hasn't progressed.
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Originally Posted by
GVGjr
Is it time for Josh to train with the defenders and see if he can lift his work rate and intensity?
Liam Jones is quick off the mark and has a huge spring.
Schache has a huge tank and running workrate, but isn't a contested player.
I see them as completely different types.
Schache can be an AFL quality player, but I just don't think he fits in our system. He plays like Ben Brown lite, and despite kicking more goals than anybody else from 2017-19 he had one genuine suitor who traded him in for a second rounder. That's telling.
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Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
I'm not sure his game translates.
Liam Jones always attacked the ball in flight, he just couldn't read it in the air and constantly ran under it. Schache's lack of intensity would likely only be emphasized as a KPD.
I think that's a last ditch effort to save his career and we shouldn't be at that point yet. Hasn't he got 2 years left on a deal? It's something I'd look at in 12 months if he still hasn't progressed.
Schache as KPD makes perfect sense. If he struggles to naturally attack marking contests put him in players that do. Many a CHF have learnt their craft by going back and being taught by their opponent where and how to lead and how to attack a contest. Anthony Rocca and Sam Reid are a couple that spring to mind.
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We got Bruce to fill the role of a strong marking goal kicking forward and gave him 18 games.
Schache got 1 full game - 11 possessions, 3 marks, 2 goals.
Bruce had 13 games with less possessions, 10 games with less marks (and 2 with equal marks), 15 games with less goals.
But Schache had a bad game with only 2 possessions in a half of footy you all shout in unison. Well, Bruce had 2 in a whole game and was first name written in the team sheet the following week.
Personally I have never had a problem with Schache , I think he is a good player and would like to see the club recruit someone who is smart enough to use him properly. The resulting 40 goals in 2021 would generate some excitement.