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Low Life Media calling Bevo a sook
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There really are some idiots in the media - getting sick of them.
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‘SOOKING’ COACH’S ‘DIRTY WORK’ CALL LEAVES RIVALS ‘BEMUSED’
Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge has been accused of “sooking” and asking others to do his “dirty work” after a mysterious complaint about Aaron Naughton’s game against Gold Coast.
Naughton kicked three goals in the first half of the Dogs’ win but none in the second half against star Suns backman Sam Collins, with a coy Beveridge raising the issue in his post-match press conference.
However he wasn’t willing to spell out the exact complaint he was making.
“I’ve got to be really careful here because he’s been so dominant and then there were reasons why he wasn’t in the second half,” Beveridge said.
“That’s all I’ll say. We’ll do some follow up.
“He kept fighting, kept bringing the ball to ground.
“We’ll work our way through it through the course of the week.”
Asked if the reason was an injury, Beveridge replied: “Nah.
“After the game what happens is you are pretty sure you know what happened, but you’ve got to go back to have a look just to make sure.
“I can’t really comment, I’ll just go back and have a look.”
While in many respects Beveridge’s ability to show restraint with something that bothered him in the immediate aftermath of a game was admirable, it also caused confusion among observers.
On the Sunday Footy Show, Port Adelaide champion Kane Cornes questioned why Beveridge would half-raise the issue but then not actually spell it out.
“You’ve got to be really careful, you don’t want to go into detail, so why put it on the radar?” Cornes said on Nine.
“Because people like us will go, what are you talking about? I went back and had a look, clearly I think he’s talking about umpiring and the treatment of Aaron Naughton - nothing in the contests I’ve seen says he was treated unfairly.
“Is that what he’s talking about, or is it something different?
“When you front the media, you’re talking to your fans, and he’s put something on the radar that he’s not happy to explore or go into for whatever reason, so why say it? What’s the benefit of Luke Beveridge going with that yesterday, other than to cause unwanted speculation and a thought he’s perhaps sooking over one of his players?”
AFL journalist Damian Barrett said Gold Coast was “bemused” by Beveridge’s comment.
“There might’ve been one identifiable free kick that Naughton should’ve got that he didn’t get, but that happens at any stage in a game of footy.
“I haven’t spoken to anybody that has any idea what he’s referring to there, and to flag it and raise it but withdraw from what he’s actually raising, I don’t (understand).”
Host Tony Jones added: “Clearly he wants everyone else to do his dirty work - ie, you’ve dug in and had a look.”
Essendon great Matthew Lloyd suggested it could have been about “what the Suns could’ve been doing to him off the ball to stop his run, those types of things”.
Beveridge appears to have form in this area.
The Herald Sun’s Jon Ralph tweeted: “Bevo was dirty that Naughton was repeatedly held by Adelaide’s Jordon Butts in the last Ballarat game.
“Not sure Collins did anything wrong apart from one missed free so Bevo surely posturing to get a better rub of the green in future weeks.”
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Re: Low Life Media calling Bevo a sook
I was at the game and watched Naughton getting continually held, scragged, blocked pushed and no free kicks for, only against when he retaliated.
This happens week after week.
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You certainly have a way with words.
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Mantis
You certainly have a way with words.
Glad you enjoy reading them :D
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Bevo constantly loses me these days he's working on a whole other level xD
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Grantysghost
Bevo constantly loses me these days he's working on a whole other level xD
Why?
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bornadog
Why?
If he had an issue with Naughton he should've just said that instead of insinuating it like he knew but didn't want to say.
It opened it up to scrutiny being so cryptic.
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
If he had an issue with Naughton he should've just said that instead of insinuating it like he knew but didn't want to say.
It opened it up to scrutiny being so cryptic.
And prob get fined.
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MrMahatma
And prob get fined.
Quite possibly :)
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Yeah I don’t really know what he was supposed to do. If he says nothing he gets called out for, well, saying nothing. He says what he was implying and he gets fined because any criticism of umpiring is now an indictable offence. If he gives a generic answer and says that Collins did a “good job”, then in addition to lying he’s not backing his player, which I think Bevo would rather resign than do.
This is only a story because of who said and who reports on it.
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Fine wise was some of the fine from round 1 partially suspended? If he had've commented further it could have got quite expensive very quickly.
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Happy Days
Yeah I don’t really know what he was supposed to do. If he says nothing he gets called out for, well, saying nothing. He says what he was implying and he gets fined because any criticism of umpiring is now an indictable offence. If he gives a generic answer and says that Collins did a “good job”, then in addition to lying he’s not backing his player, which I think Bevo would rather resign than do.
This is only a story because of who said and who reports on it.
My comment is more a holistic I have NFI what he's saying rather than this particular example. He's always quite esoteric and cryptic which isn't a bad thing (his snow button speech at a season launch my all time fav).
I couldn't tell from the TV how badly he was being scragged, it didn't translate on screen. He probably did well to refrain.
Those ch9 guys seem to have it in for him.
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Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
If he had an issue with Naughton he should've just said that instead of insinuating it like he knew but didn't want to say.
It opened it up to scrutiny being so cryptic.
100%
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I was directly behind the goals 3 rows back, how these umpires could not pay a free kick off the ball is beyond me? 1, 2, sometimes 3 blocking Naughton off the ball, holding almost tackling. I doubt many of these would have been caught on camera but the umpire just need to ping them once and it would have been settled.
He's dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't in this situation. Probably should not have said a thing and made enquiries behind closed doors. ANyway, it's done and hopefully Naughton gets some whistles.
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Grantysghost
Bevo constantly loses me these days he's working on a whole other level xD
He might have a legitimate complaint but he's done himself and the club a disservice by airing it the way he has.
His responses in a few press conferences this year concerns me and I wonder if he is really coping that well with things.
It's a balancing challenge for him with answering questions. His half response opens himself up for criticism.
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GVGjr
He might have a legitimate complaint but he's done himself and the club a disservice by airing it the way he has.
His responses in a few press conferences this year concerns me and I wonder if he is really coping that well with things.
It's a balancing challenge for him with answering questions. His half response opens himself up for criticism.
You need to look at it a different way. He is publicly backing his player and sending a message to umpires and other teams as well.
He is limited in what he can say against the umpires, but his message has been sent. Calling him a sook by the MSM just shows we have a real problem in society. These people are out of control.
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bornadog
You need to look at it a different way. He is publicly backing his player and sending a message to umpires and other teams as well.
He is limited in what he can say against the umpires, but his message has been sent. Calling him a sook by the MSM just shows we have a real problem in society. These people are out of control.
I get it's the heat of the moment but there are probably better ways to air these things like a private enquiry to the umpiring department maybe?
I don't think it's going to help Naughton's cause unfortunately.
But I can see it's a fine line and he's an emotional guy.
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bornadog
You need to look at it a different way. He is publicly backing his player and sending a message to umpires and other teams as well.
He didn't though.
You can't be half pregnant. Call out what you saw and say:
"At the 7 minute mark of the 3rd q GC player Collins etc..."
OR, if you don't want to do that because you're not sure or whatever (and they have 4x camera angles in the box so he was sure) just say "Full credit to the GC defenders who just got on top in the 2nd half. We'll be working with Aaron to help him work out some strategies to deal with the tactics they used in the future..."
Bevo brings this upon himself and it sounded like he wanted to complain without complaining...just say it or don't say it...
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mjp
He didn't though.
You can't be half pregnant. Call out what you saw and say:
"At the 7 minute mark of the 3rd q GC player Collins etc..."
OR, if you don't want to do that because you're not sure or whatever (and they have 4x camera angles in the box so he was sure) just say "Full credit to the GC defenders who just got on top in the 2nd half. We'll be working with Aaron to help him work out some strategies to deal with the tactics they used in the future..."
Bevo brings this upon himself and it sounded like he wanted to complain without complaining...just say it or don't say it...
Well we all handle those situations differently.
My beef is with the MSM calling an AFL coach a sook, and Barrett asking Bevo to apologise - FMD.
Barrett shows all the vision from behind the goals with the pulling, holding blocking and Lloyd says that is just normal. It maybe normal defensive work, but it is also not right and should be stamped out.
see here about half way through
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
You need to look at it a different way. He is publicly backing his player and sending a message to umpires and other teams as well.
He is limited in what he can say against the umpires, but his message has been sent. Calling him a sook by the MSM just shows we have a real problem in society. These people are out of control.
How does half answering the question and pulling back half way help achieve anything for us or Naughton?
The professional way would be to escalate this with the umpires and follow the process that is in place.
I have no problems if he goes in full bore but his 'half in' approach is inviting the criticism fair or unwarranted.
I don't definitely agree that he is a sook as the reporting indicates but he opened the door there.
It's not new news that the journo's are going to blow up a story if you give them a chance but calling him a sook isn't right.
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Just used the Universal Translator on Bevo's post match comments...
"Collins is lucky Barry Hall has retired or he may have been Scott Thompsoned or Brent Stakered"
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Flamethrower
Just used the Universal Translator on Bevo's post match comments...
"Collins is lucky Barry Hall has retired or he may have been Scott Thompsoned or Brent Stakered"
Or Paul Gallened! ;)
Great verbs.They're harder when they're looking.
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...23-p5annq.html
A different take from The Age
Western Bulldogs star Aaron Naughton has received just six free kicks for being held this season, half as many as the forward that tops the list.
Dogs coach Luke Beveridge put Naughton’s treatment on the agenda after Saturday’s 19-point win in Ballarat, when he suggested Naughton may have been on the receiving end of illegal handling by Sam Collins.
Collins, a robust defender and best-and-fairest winner, kept Naughton goalless in the second half.
“I’ve got to be really careful here, because he’s been so dominant and then there were reasons why he wasn’t in the second half,” Beveridge said of Naughton in his post-game press conference.
“That’s all I’ll say … after the game what happens is you are pretty sure you know what happened, but you’ve got to go back to have a look just to make sure.”
Beveridge left Suns coaches and management baffled by his comments. Behind-the-goals vision of Collins’ blanketing job after the main break has shown he appeared to have little case to answer - there was one hold that should have been paid a free kick - prompting Essendon great and former goalkicking champion Matthew Lloyd to even suggest all young defenders should watch how Collins went about his work.
However, The Age has found throughout the season that Naughton has been paid only six free kicks (10 games) this season for holding the man. That is half of the number paid to Carlton spearhead Harry McKay (12 in eight games) and five less than St Kilda’s Max King (10 games), suggesting this was a bigger-picture play by Beveridge. Charlie Curnow, Tom Lynch and Lance Franklin each have one more than Naughton.
The Bulldogs on Monday had the option of taking their concerns about Collins to the AFL’s umpiring department, but did not wish to comment. Suns chief executive Mark Evans said Gold Coast weren’t sure what Beveridge had been referring to, but the Bulldogs said their coach would elaborate at his press conference later in the week.
“I thought it might have to do with the couple of frees Naughton gave away to Collins in the third [term]. Both frees were paid before the ball came to their area, so they were actually taken upfield,” Evans said.
In a discussion about whether Beveridge should apologise, Lloyd, speaking to AFL.com.au, said: “If you were the Suns, you would want answers”. Evans, however, said: “[It’s] up to him whether he wants to apologise.”
Regardless, as rival club figures noted, it was a wily move from Beveridge. Even if nothing comes of this immediate incident, it effectively puts the umpires on notice heading into mid-year and then, ultimately, the business part of the season.
Naughton booted three goals in the first half and had Collins shifted off him, but was goalless in the second, coming as a re-engaged Collins shadowed and harassed him at every opportunity.
He regularly bumped Naughton before the man known as the “Astro-naut” could take off for his customary high-leaping marks. Naughton was also regularly bodied off his line, but, under the AFL’s ‘Laws of the Game’, there was little to suggest a free kick should have been awarded. Under Law 18.5 (marking contests), an umpire shall award a free kick in a marking contest against a player where the player: (a) holds or blocks an opposition player; (b) unduly pushes or bumps an opposition player; (c) deliberately interferes with the arms of an opposition player; (d) makes contact to an opposition player from front-on and whose sole objective is not to contest or spoil a mark; or (e) makes an unrealistic attempt to contest or spoil a mark which interferes with an opposition player
Close onlookers have also suggested Beveridge’s remarks were a show of unity for his key forward - a man who will largely dictate whether the Bulldogs can go one step better this year after the heartache of Perth.
Another view was that the comments may be a peek below the bonnet of the Bulldogs’ goal-kicking concerns when Naughton is held. Still without the injured Josh Bruce, Naughton has a team-high 25 goals but Marcus Bontempelli - the Dogs’ best midfielder who has been sent forward more - is next best with 13. Cody Weightman, out with a broken collarbone, has 12, while midfielder Adam Treloar has 10.
Compared to the Demons, Lions and even the surging Blues, that’s a goal-kicking list that’s probably not going to get the job done against the league’s elite, despite the Bulldogs improving their win-loss record to 5-5, due largely to their improved clearance and post-clearance work.
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He may have to apologise at some point.
Collins is a decent defender and there's 0 evidence as to what he was conjuring.
My theory : he's pissed that he's been out moustached.
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Grantysghost
He may have to apologise at some point.
Collins is a decent defender and there's 0 evidence as to what he was conjuring.
I just watched some of his antics and while he did push the limits did he really do anything more than we would expect off a FB pitted against one of the comps best young forwards?
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GVGjr
I just watched some of his antics and while he did push the limits did he really do anything more than we would expect off a FB pitted against one of the comps best young forwards?
If it was Keath we'd be singing his praises.
I'm a Collins fan, be pretty happy if he was playing for us and performed like that.
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What’s considered a block?
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Beveridge did say he did not want to comment any further before he checked the footage before he made any inquiries to the umpires
Mountain out of a mole hill.
Barrett hates us
Cornes can't help himself to have a dig at us.
If anyone watched the press conference , the same question was asked 3 times to Luke, and he clearly said he was not going to elaborate anything further until he checked the footage.
The news media cycle is about headlines and negativity. How thick must they be if they could not read between the lines ?
Is the quality of press so diluted that they try to sensationalize everything?
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macca
Beveridge did say he did not want to comment any further before he checked the footage before he made any inquiries to the umpires
Mountain out of a mole hill.
Barrett hates us
Cornes can't help himself to have a dig at us.
If anyone watched the press conference , the same question was asked 3 times to Luke, and he clearly said he was not going to elaborate anything further until he checked the footage.
The news media cycle is about headlines and negativity. How thick must they be if they could not read between the lines ?
Is the quality of press so diluted that they try to sensationalize everything?
I agree 90 percent macca.
But don't be fooled into thinking Luke doesn't know the questions are coming and has decided what he's going to say prior.
I'm a big Bevo fan and he's not stupid.
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It's funny because literally the first clip they showed was Collins with his back turned to the ball holding Naughton while the ball was 50 metres away, Naughton shifts him and gets a clean run up and mark but it's called holding against Naughton.
Literally Collins was holding on and stopping his run while not looking at the ball, it should have been a downfield free.
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Testekill
It's funny because literally the first clip they showed was Collins with his back turned to the ball holding Naughton while the ball was 50 metres away, Naughton shifts him and gets a clean run up and mark but it's called holding against Naughton.
Literally Collins was holding on and stopping his run while not looking at the ball, it should have been a downfield free.
I think it was those two frees that triggered Bevo.
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Testekill
It's funny because literally the first clip they showed was Collins with his back turned to the ball holding Naughton while the ball was 50 metres away, Naughton shifts him and gets a clean run up and mark but it's called holding against Naughton.
Literally Collins was holding on and stopping his run while not looking at the ball, it should have been a downfield free.
This happens to all the FF, but I think it is a blight on the game. Sick of players holding on to others when the ball is no where near the play. If there are any rules that should be enforced this is one.
My point in posting this thread, is not about what Bevo said. Bevo and all coaches talk like this because they are not allowed to criticise directly. It is not a big deal.
The point of this thread is the way the MSM act. Barrett calling for an apology, give me a break, foxfooty calling Bevo a sook - wow.
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Well I went to work today and the football world seems to have gone batshit crazy. This is what happens when I don't check in all day.
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jeemak
Well I went to work today and the football world seems to have gone batshit crazy. This is what happens when I don't check in all day.
You had a fair excuse still being drunk on the toon making the calendar year champions league right!?
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Grantysghost
You had a fair excuse still being drunk on the toon making the calendar year champions league right!?
Man I was tired today - but well worth staying up to see it. I only just finished my last meeting as well.........
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Didn’t Bevo say I can’t say too much as I haven’t watched the tape?
Storm in a teacup. Backing his player. Of course Kornes and Damo take issue with it… whatever.
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Go_Dogs
Didn’t Bevo say I can’t say too much as I haven’t watched the tape?
Storm in a teacup. Backing his player. Of course Kornes and Damo take issue with it… whatever.
I am going to give Bevo an academy award for not rolling his eyes , not giving the journo who asked the same question 3 times a bake , and not questioning the umpring for their stupid misinterpretation laws.
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As pointed out by a bulldog supporter on social media.
Round 1 - Bevo has gone too hard and he needs to apologise
Round 10- Bevo has gone too soft and he needs to apologise.