Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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Ozza
What Gawn and Grundy were able to do to Tom the last couple of weeks, showed up an embarrassing gulf between elite competitiveness and not. Anyone can attempt to follow up on the ground like Grundy does, or push hard after the stoppage like Gawn does. That stuff is about attitude.
I agree with your assessment of Boyd at this stage of his career.
When did Gawn come good as a ruckman? He is currently 26 years old. We know that big guys don't come good till their mid 20's and I am prepared to see how Boyd goes in the next few years before writing him off.
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
I agree with your assessment of Boyd at this stage of his career.
When did Gawn come good as a ruckman? He is currently 26 years old. We know that big guys don't come good till their mid 20's and I am prepared to see how Boyd goes in the next few years before writing him off.
Probably last year? Mind you he had what 2 or 3 ACL injuries very early on in his career
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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Originally Posted by
bornadog
I agree with your assessment of Boyd at this stage of his career.
When did Gawn come good as a ruckman? He is currently 26 years old. We know that big guys don't come good till their mid 20's and I am prepared to see how Boyd goes in the next few years before writing him off.
The next few years??? I'm a big supporter of Boydy but he cannot continue at the current rate of output (whether as a forward or ruck) "for the next few years". We (and he) should expect sharp improvement in consistency for the rest of the season and beyond otherwise he will struggle to hold his place in the seniors. Not like we don't have depth in either rucks or key forward stocks.
He still has a little time on his side (not a few years!) but he needs to start impacting at senior level on a more consistent basis - week to week, qtr to qtr, contest to contest.
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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Sedat
The next few years??? I'm a big supporter of Boydy but he cannot continue at the current rate of output (whether as a forward or ruck) "for the next few years". We (and he) should expect sharp improvement in consistency for the rest of the season and beyond otherwise he will struggle to hold his place in the seniors. Not like we don't have depth in either rucks or key forward stocks.
He still has a little time on his side (not a few years!) but he needs to start impacting at senior level on a more consistent basis - week to week, qtr to qtr, contest to contest.
I realise that he has to continually improve. What I am saying is he is 22 years old and by the time he gets to his mid 20's I am expecting him to be a star, otherwise we find someone else.
I would prefer Boyd stays at FF, Schache at CHF and English doing the ruck work - in the next few years. Those three are all young, ie 22, 20 and 20 and we can't expect them to perform at the level of mature AFL big guys. We do expect them to do alot more than current.
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
Im going to put it out there, put JJ up for trade at end of year. Teams have worked him out in defense. Not sure how much longer the team can afford him to learn how to be a forward. Cannot take a contested mark, and his tackling is not up there to keep the ball enough in the forward line. He would command some currency, and could get us back into the second round in this year's draft. Essendon could be ideal candidates to add to their winning trade week carnival.
But its mentioned in other threads a few players up for trade/delisting : Wallis, Biggs, Webb, HC and Campbell, but really we could add anyone up for trade which will improve our list.
If the draft is deep, we may be able to uneath a few gems deeper in the 3rd to 4th(hopefully!) rounds.
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Not for me . JJ’s confused with his role , and I’ve never seen a player look more confused .
He is not a forward and it’s time the coaches realised this .No leading patterns, and didn’t know whether to hit up , stay back , and no defensive pressure .
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
The thing about all the other key forwards listed is they can do one thing Boyd can’t: mark the footy.
I can’t think of a single player in the AFL with a worst set of hands.
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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comrade
The thing about all the other key forwards listed is they can do one thing Boyd can’t: mark the footy.
I can’t think of a single player in the AFL with a worst set of hands.
The one mark (one *!*!*!*!ing mark!) that he did take on the weekend burst through his hands and he somehow clutched it his his body after it bounced off his face.
He makes the simplest thing look ridiculosuly hard.
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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comrade
The thing about all the other key forwards listed is they can do one thing Boyd can’t: mark the footy.
I can’t think of a single player in the AFL with a worst set of hands.
The club should invite, the best mark that I have ever seen, down to training to give Tom some pointers. His name is Gary Dempsey. Still closely follows the club. I am sure he would do it.
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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S Coast Simon
Been saying it for years his hands are to flat. He needs to roll them in a little bit. He goes up straight arms and flat hands. This needs to be trained out of his game. Arms a little bent and hands turned in a little. Come on coaches he should be a gun
And he doesn’t spread his fingers. You need to CLASP that ball. It’s fundamentally bad technique and I can’t believe it hasn’t been coached out of him.
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Dancin' Douggy
And he doesn’t spread his fingers. You need to CLASP that ball. It’s fundamentally bad technique and I can’t believe it hasn’t been coached out of him.
I would also like to see marks on the chest where possible. I hate seeing arms out straight and hands up to try and take a mark like an overhead mark.
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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bornadog
I would also like to see marks on the chest where possible. I hate seeing arms out straight and hands up to try and take a mark like an overhead mark.
Problem is he drops THEM too.
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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Mantis
The one mark (one *!*!*!*!ing mark!) that he did take on the weekend burst through his hands and he somehow clutched it his his body after it bounced off his face.
He makes the simplest thing look ridiculosuly hard.
Clarko made reference to Boyd when complaining about the defensive tactics employed these days. Boyd seems to get pushed out of nearly every contest just enough to hinder his run at the ball. Either that or he's competing against two or more players. I'm willing to give him time, would like to see him played forward / ruck rather than the other way around; 80/20 split. Last year has probably set him back 12 months. Our well documented issues delivering inside forward 50 also hasn't helped. I do worry about his intensity or perceived lack thereof. Like to see him develop into more of a young leader like Bonti (granted I know nothing re his leadership off field).
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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bornadog
I would also like to see marks on the chest where possible. I hate seeing arms out straight and hands up to try and take a mark like an overhead mark.
So your opponent can easily punch the ball away? Taking the ball in front is a basic skill at local footy level, all AFL players should be able to do it in their sleep. The only time you take a chest mark is when you know you are clear.
Re: The Moving/Rolling Trading & Delisting Thread 2018
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Axe Man
So your opponent can easily punch the ball away? Taking the ball in front is a basic skill at local footy level, all AFL players should be able to do it in their sleep. The only time you take a chest mark is when you know you are clear.
Even when he is clear he puts the arms out.