Richmond - The big improvers?

[boydogs]

I'm with you but I have to concede they've developed a nice list with a midfield that threatens to become the best in the AFL.

Really? Cotchin is a top 10 player, Deledio is up there if you're counting him, but Foley, Tuck, Conca & Martin don't strike me as elite.

[chef]

Really? Cotchin is a top 10 player, Deledio is up there if you're counting him, but Foley, Tuck, Conca & Martin don't strike me as elite.

I would have Martin as elite.

[Ghost Dog]

What do you make of the coach? Hardwick seems like a nice enough guy but doesn't strike me as being a master tactician. I've been to a few Richmond smashings in my time.

[LostDoggy]

Really? Cotchin is a top 10 player, Deledio is up there if you're counting him, but Foley, Tuck, Conca & Martin don't strike me as elite.

Martin is a deadset star, just a shame he's also a knob, it seems.

[boydogs]

I would have Martin as elite.

Still a couple of years away IMO, and his commitment to his footy to get there is in doubt.

[Remi Moses]

Had a poor year last year. Not elite for mine, hanging out with Connors isn't going to help.

[azabob]

Had a poor year last year. Not elite for mine, hanging out with Connors isn't going to help.

Hasn't there been speculation that Martin is just as bad an influence on Connors?

[Topdog]

Martin had a good year interrupted by injury and stupidity.

He isn't elite at the moment but he isn't far off either. He is already a game changer.

[LostDoggy]

I think they will be the North of 2012. Easy draw, good run at some point, scrape into the 8 then get absolutely flogged in the finals. Watching North do that was pleasure.

[DragzLS1]

I think they will be the North of 2012. Easy draw, good run at some point, scrape into the 8 then get absolutely flogged in the finals. Watching North do that was pleasure.

I could not have said it better myself. Loved watching them talk up how good they were going only to get put back in there place by West Coast. God that was good!

I'm still not set on tigers I think Carlton will be the big improvers

[Remi Moses]

Gee their supporters need to find that elusive lid that comes off at this time of the year.
I think they're a chance for the eight but to say they 're going past the likes of Freo, Geelong and even Norf is a bit of a stretch.I think Carlton and even The Bombres will be thereabouts for the eight .

[LostDoggy]

I could not have said it better myself. Loved watching them talk up how good they were going only to get put back in there place by West Coast. God that was good!

I'm still not set on tigers I think Carlton will be the big improvers

I just don't see where they can improve? They didn't bring in anymore talent, Judd is a year older and slower and Eddie Betts is their forward line for another year. Possibly they get more out of Gibbs but I don't see much else on the horizon. At least Norf have young improvers taking them up the list and the tigers seem to have added some of what they need.

Tigers, North, Lions and Freo improvers for mine
Saints, Blues to continue to stagnate

[lemmon]

All about injures for mine, if they keep their important players fit, 6th or 7th isn't out of the question. Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Riewoldt, Maric etc is a lot of top end talent

[DragzLS1]

I just don't see where they can improve? They didn't bring in anymore talent, Judd is a year older and slower and Eddie Betts is their forward line for another year. Possibly they get more out of Gibbs but I don't see much else on the horizon. At least Norf have young improvers taking them up the list and the tigers seem to have added some of what they need.

Tigers, North, Lions and Freo improvers for mine
Saints, Blues to continue to stagnate

Carlton had an excessive amount of injuries but think will rise bar injuries again. Even though I hate to say it! Lol

Tigers are a maybe and may just scrape in.

Not sold on lions or north as of yet but north will be a very unpredictable side next year

[KT31]

Tigers ninth for me.