Pack your bags McCartney...

[Greystache]

The diabolical mess that has left us with Boyd, Cross, Murphy, Giansiracusa, Cooney, Griffen, Morris, Picken, Minson and a couple of others as a legacy of the best part of ten years of list development is our issue.

I'm still not sold on the coach, but the issues are legacy issues more than anything else.

Exactly. We recruited with no strategy or long term vision and are paying for it now. I'm not sold on the coach either but Ross Lyon would struggle with this list.

[The Cowshed]

I know the club won't sack him, we simply can't afford it but his coaching mantra is affecting the way we are playing. For too long he has one focus (contested ball) to the detriment of the rest of our game. Our skills are deplorable and our coach shows no imagination...there's no thought of moving Roughy forward or Jones back...no taking a chance to win the game.

Look at the stats, we've won at least half the contested ball in games lost because he simply floods the contest, so we have to win the ball and then we have no-one on the spread because they're all round the ball and when we do get it forward we hang our forwards out to dry being outnumbered.

[GVGjr]

I know the club won't sack him, we simply can't afford it but his coaching mantra is affecting the way we are playing. For too long he has one focus (contested ball) to the detriment of the rest of our game. Our skills are deplorable and our coach shows no imagination...there's no thought of moving Roughy forward or Jones back...no taking a chance to win the game.

Look at the stats, we've won at least half the contested ball in games lost because he simply floods the contest, so we have to win the ball and then we have no-one on the spread because they're all round the ball and when we do get it forward we hang our forwards out to dry being outnumbered.

It could very well be the other way with skills and running but the foundation of contested football isn't wrong.

We will add the other pieces but we had to be a side that had a stronger focus on contested football.

[boydogs]

Changing the coach would be disruptive and undermine the path he is on. He needs to be given time to develop other facets of our game, which he has acknowledged is the next step.

He has taken us to top 5 in contested ball, which is excellent for a such a young side.

[Ghost Dog]

I know the club won't sack him, we simply can't afford it but his coaching mantra is affecting the way we are playing. For too long he has one focus (contested ball) to the detriment of the rest of our game. Our skills are deplorable and our coach shows no imagination...there's no thought of moving Roughy forward or Jones back...no taking a chance to win the game.

Look at the stats, we've won at least half the contested ball in games lost because he simply floods the contest, so we have to win the ball and then we have no-one on the spread because they're all round the ball and when we do get it forward we hang our forwards out to dry being outnumbered.

He did swtich Roughy to forward a few weeks ago didn't he?
Re-arranging deck chairs. Just need to be better with the ball.
I think MJP said it once - it's entertainment. That is a boring way to spend 2 hours, what I just saw. Take the game on a bit more or forget it. All this stuffing around with the pill, only to kick a point from straight in front.
We play better with Boyd and Gia out of the side. Sorry lads.

[GVGjr]

Changing the coach would be disruptive and undermine the path he is on. He needs to be given time to develop other facets of our game, which he has acknowledged is the next step.

He has taken us to top 5 in contested ball, which is excellent for a such a young side.

Agreed. The club should review all things at the end of the season not now.

[The Cowshed]

Yeah, we simply win the contested ball because we flood the contest with numbers which hurts us when it gets out. They are false and misleading stats...

[Mantis]

Changing the coach would be disruptive and undermine the path he is on. He needs to be given time to develop other facets of our game, which he has acknowledged is the next step.

He has taken us to top 5 in contested ball, which is excellent for a such a young side.

Where were we rated for this stat in 2011? I know we were top 5 in our PF years of 2008-10.

And our core midfield group are pretty experienced.

[Ghost Dog]

Peter Gordon.

President isn't all smiles and PR. it's doing what is needed no matter the cost.

Think all posts after a bad loss need to be taken with a grain of salt....
But we were awful to watch tonight. We showed enough talent to show how little very good talent we have...if this makes sense.
Hack and battle it into the forward line, only to cough it up...time and bloody time again.

I actually did not enjoy this game as a spectacle. It was boring, tiresome, with some patches of Ok footy.
When a short dash from JJ or a snap from Stringer becomes your highlight, woopdy doo.

[AndrewP6]

Where were we rated for this stat in 2011? I know we were top 5 in our PF years of 2008-10.
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Eighth, according to this: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/f...&sby=23&advv=Y

[Remi Moses]

Imagine BF
They'd have a contract out on McCartney by now.

[Mantis]

Eighth, according to this: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/f...&sby=23&advv=Y

Ok... So we have moved up a couple of spots in this area, but have shown very little improvement in other facets of the game... That has to change.

[AndrewP6]

Ok... So we have moved up a couple of spots in this area, but have shown very little improvement in other facets of the game... That has to change.

Agreed.

[LostDog]

Peter Rhode mark 2

[LostDoggy]

Peter Rhode mark 2

Fair dinkum...

P Rhode - came from Melbourne's losing culture
Oversaw recruitment of P Street, A Morgan, S Koops, J Rawlins...and L Veale
Oversaw loss of one of our best players in N Brown while at his peak
Trade picks that netted H Scotland, D Mundy...
Oversaw no performance when R Murphy, L Gilbee, B Johnson, S Giansiracusa were peaking and R Smith, C Grant, S West were playing...

B McCartney
Widely regarded by respected AFL figures as not just a good coach but a great coach.
Comes from a high performance culture at the most successful team in the modern era
Oversaw departure of J Sherman, N Djerkurra, and a bunch of spuds that haven't kicked on
Traded Lake at the end of his career for effectively Hrovat
Has inherited an absolute trainwreck of a list.
Part of recruitment of two of our most promising juniors in years
Has overseen one of the biggest improvements in an AFL player I have seen (Minson)

You really think McCartney is the same as Rhode....???? REALLY????