Crameri

[LostDoggy]

Is Essendon accept our offer of pick 22. We should say no, actually we are only offering pick 38 now.

[The Coon Dog]

Is Essendon accept our offer of pick 22. We should say no, actually we are only offering pick 38 now.

That would only make us more petulant than them. I understand your sentiment, they're a shit of a club to deal with!

[Ghost Dog]

Brendan has seen something in Crammers, much as Shannon Grant did in Tory Dickson. Essendon think perhaps Brendan will influence the recruiting team to pay overs.

[jeemak]

Let's put a different spin on things.

We have bemoaned our club's trading culture over the years, because we've been too easy to deal with.

We bemoan EFC's trading culture because they are too hard to deal with.

EFC has drafted poorly over many years (last decade or so), albeit having finished in the mid table. They have not won any finals.

WB have drafted OK over the last decade or 15 years, and lost 3 prelims.

Would we have been in a better position, or worse position over these last 15 years if we had have taken EFC's stance, or the one we took (from a trading perspective)?

I've always been extremely puzzled about the concept of Dodoro being a list and recruiting manager for as long as he has. To me he seems like a guy with a directive to not trade and develop through the draft, without the ability to develop through the draft. Or another thought, maybe player development under Sheedy was shit (like we're seeing at GWS now) and James and Bomber are picking up the slack.

It's easy to pick on Dodoro, but seriously, this is a club that has been prettty shit for a lot of reasons over the last decade or so. I wouldn't be surprised he's acting under instruction (and always has been).

[Topdog]

I've bemoaned us because we have been too eager to trade, not because we are easy to trade with. The only exception to that was Lake.

I liked our deals with WC, Sydney and Brisbane in the past as we are giving up something for players we value that is fair and reasonable.

Oh I and think you are kidding yourself if you think player development at GWS is shit. It amazes me how often people forget what happened just 1 season ago and everyone saying GC should sack the coach as their development is shit and they have stagnated.

And every time I read Dodoro i think of Pororo

[jeemak]

I've bemoaned us because we have been too eager to trade, not because we are easy to trade with. The only exception to that was Lake.

I liked our deals with WC, Sydney and Brisbane in the past as we are giving up something for players we value that is fair and reasonable.

Oh I and think you are kidding yourself if you think player development at GWS is shit. It amazes me how often people forget what happened just 1 season ago and everyone saying GC should sack the coach as their development is shit and they have stagnated.

And every time I read Dodoro i think of Pororo

We'll see with GWS. I think they would have been much better placed without Sheedy in charge. That's all. I really think he's a wanker and not as good as he's made out to be.

[1eyedog]

We'll see with GWS. I think they would have been much better placed without Sheedy in charge. That's all. I really think he's a wanker and not as good as he's made out to be.

Of course Sheedy is shit, that's why Essendon got rid of him - he was clearly out of touch with how to relate to Gen X and the game plan had stagnated long ago. Sheedy didn't go to GWS as head coach, not really, he had a directive to do as much media as possible and show up at training and match day and make a dumb speech during the intervals of a game. Choco and Cameron are / were the drivers and that's why they're there. Sheedy is a purely a logo, a brand name to facilitate growth of the game in Sydney's outer-west. GWS players are being developed the right way by good people.

[jeemak]

I'm not entirely sure Sheedy has little influence. How would I know?

I wouldn't have him anywhere near my football club.

[azabob]

Of course Sheedy is shit, that's why Essendon got rid of him - he was clearly out of touch with how to relate to Gen X and the game plan had stagnated long ago. Sheedy didn't go to GWS as head coach, not really, he had a directive to do as much media as possible and show up at training and match day and make a dumb speech during the intervals of a game. Choco and Cameron are / were the drivers and that's why they're there. Sheedy is a purely a logo, a brand name to facilitate growth of the game in Sydney's outer-west. GWS players are being developed the right way by good people.

Are you sure about Williams? I think Sheedy had more say than your giving credit for. Why else would Williams leave the Giants when a senior job was there for the taking and take up a development role at Richmond?

[Axe Man]

A snippet from the Age:

the Swans will trade Shane Mumford to Greater Western Sydney reasonably cheaply, given the Giants could acquire him for nothing using the pre-season draft.

This will leave the Giants number 1 pick in the PSD uncommitted and opens up the chance of them taking Crameri if he ends up there. Hopefully Essendon come to their senses and we can get a deal done.

[Scorlibo]

A snippet from the Age:



This will leave the Giants number 1 pick in the PSD uncommitted and opens up the chance of them taking Crameri if he ends up there. Hopefully Essendon come to their senses and we can get a deal done.

Essendon will take pick 22 before they let Crameri go to the PSD, unless we withdraw the offer.

[Topdog]

Are you sure about Williams? I think Sheedy had more say than your giving credit for. Why else would Williams leave the Giants when a senior job was there for the taking and take up a development role at Richmond?

Because he was annoyed as he was guaranteed the job after 1 season.

[azabob]

Because he was annoyed as he was guaranteed the job after 1 season.

I guess that proves my point, Sheedy had a massive say in what happened at GWS.

[1eyedog]

I guess that proves my point, Sheedy had a massive say in what happened at GWS.

Oh come on everyone knows that it's Vlad not Sheedy who pulls the strings at GWS and of course Vlad wanted Sheedy to stay on over Choco.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/d...306-1uied.html

Sheedy has had little to do with the management of anything since he got there except get on the media and say stupid things. As I said he's a brand name but now the real stuff starts for them.

[azabob]

Oh come on everyone knows that it's Vlad not Sheedy who pulls the strings at GWS and of course Vlad wanted Sheedy to stay on over Choco.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/d...306-1uied.html

Sheedy has had little to do with the management of anything since he got there except get on the media and say stupid things. As I said he's a brand name but now the real stuff starts for them.

Oh, come on, everyone but me believes that.