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    Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Dunno if this has been posted, but check out the afl.com view of our draft - the bold bit

    We say
    The Bulldogs were happy to focus on youth at the national draft, having acquired Stewart Crameri and Sam Darley in the trade period. They snared Marcus Bontempelli, a tall midfielder who can win his own ball, with selection No.4 and competitive small forward/midfielder Mitch Honeychurch. They also collected 23-year-old Norwood premiership defender/forward Matthew Fuller at No.42, and were rapt to land Honeychurch at No.60, with the Eastern Ranges youngster to provide more midfield depth with his appetite for the contested ball. They'd be happy having landed Crameri in particular and look to have strengthened their attack further with Fuller, who kicked a famous long goal in the 2013 SANFL Grand Final. Jennifer Phelan
    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-2...draft-verdicts

    WTF? How poor is that?

    Made me think of a whole lot of other rubbish I've read about us and other teams over the years.

    And some pretty good stuff, like the journos who went after the Bomber drug cheats.

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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Emma Quayle is always a good read, even though a touch of Essendon Bias came out when discussing the Crameri trade.

    As much as I was never really a fan, Caroline Wilson's coverage of the supplements saga was exemplary, and its a testament to here that Paul Little and all of the Essendon apologists chose to go with the personal attacks as vehemently as he did.

    And yet, Mark Robinson won an award for his coverage of the scandal. Are you *!*!*!*!ing serious?

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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Quote Originally Posted by westdog54 View Post
    Emma Quayle is always a good read, even though a touch of Essendon Bias came out when discussing the Crameri trade.
    She always takes the soft, easy articles as she is the junior - but she does it pretty well

    Quote Originally Posted by westdog54 View Post
    As much as I was never really a fan, Caroline Wilson's coverage of the supplements saga was exemplary, and its a testament to here that Paul Little and all of the Essendon apologists chose to go with the personal attacks as vehemently as he did.
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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Investigative journalism is dead and has been for a long time. Caroline Wilson, love her or hate her, she does investigate stories and is generally spot on with her claims. Love reading Emma Q, especially her stories into draftees and young footballers. Overall though, a lot of rubbish as indicated by DR, is written up off the back of snippets, tweets and social forums.
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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Everyone loves Emma Quayle but as Mofra points out she isn't asked to do the sort of work many other footy journo's are. Strikes me as more of a features writer than a news-breaking journo.

    My biggest criticism of Caro is that her standard modus operandi is to always look for the conspiracy. Guess what...sometimes there isn't one.
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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Quote Originally Posted by always right View Post

    My biggest criticism of Caro is that her standard modus operandi is to always look for the conspiracy. Guess what...sometimes there isn't one.
    Much prefer that than the boys club protectionism style of Robbo and his mates, too scared to upset their sources and find their access privileges rescinded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    Much prefer that than the boys club protectionism style of Robbo and his mates, too scared to upset their sources and find their access privileges rescinded.
    Yep; the reason Caro's coverage was so much better than everyone else's is because of a total hatred of the boys club treatment that footballers recieve. Her relentlessness was not only fitting but refreshing.

    However, she has a solid tendency to shout whispers through a megaphone; anyone remember the "West Sydney Celtics" articles? Because I sure do.

    My main issue with footy writers is that the "news breakers" are either not good writers (Ralph, Stevo), don't appear to actually like the game, just the scandal around it (Caro), or both (Hutchy, Barrett). Whilst the actual good writers are either relegated to fluff journalism (Quale when not writing about the draft) or are starstruck fanboys (Robbo).

    No one has hit the balance yet. FWIW I think Quale is the best but I wish they would make David King pen more stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    Yep; the reason Caro's coverage was so much better than everyone else's is because of a total hatred of the boys club treatment that footballers recieve. Her relentlessness was not only fitting but refreshing.

    However, she has a solid tendency to shout whispers through a megaphone; anyone remember the "West Sydney Celtics" articles? Because I sure do.

    My main issue with footy writers is that the "news breakers" are either not good writers (Ralph, Stevo), don't appear to actually like the game, just the scandal around it (Caro), or both (Hutchy, Barrett). Whilst the actual good writers are either relegated to fluff journalism (Quale when not writing about the draft) or are starstruck fanboys (Robbo).

    No one has hit the balance yet. FWIW I think Quale is the best but I wish they would make David King pen more stuff.
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    Would be great if they could lure Shaun Carney to write about footy. I seem to recall some great insights into footy he had.
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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Gerard Whateley for mine. He's sold out a little to the commercial mainstream, but I like a journo who explains and backs up why they're saying what the they're saying.

    I got hot and cold on Caro, but her tenacity on the Essendon affair was exemplary journalism.
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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    Refresh my memory?

    Would be great if they could lure Shaun Carney to write about footy. I seem to recall some great insights into footy he had.
    Basically it was a few articles by Caro saying that GWS were going to be coached in part by Tadhg Kennelly, have at least 10 Irish players and be called the Celtics, wearing orange, green and white.

    It was like a source was playing a practical joke on her.
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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Thing I like about Emma is you see her around a lot, for example the pound cafe or in the outer. Not sure I've ever seen Caro at the footy.
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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Dog View Post
    Thing I like about Emma is you see her around a lot, for example the pound cafe or in the outer. Not sure I've ever seen Caro at the footy.
    She leaves once the ball is bounced, I see her on occasion if I'm running late to a match. She has no interest in the game itself.

    On the rare occasion she has something worth reading, but most of the time she's just pursuing personal vendettas under the guise of journalism, which is unprofessional and pretty pathetic really. Her stalking of Dane Swan after he had a run in with her son should have been killed in the bud by The Age if they had any leadership.

    I like Emma Quayle, but that's because I like the football part of football. If I was interested in gossip/scandal I'd read New Idea.

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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Quote Originally Posted by westdog54 View Post
    Emma Quayle is always a good read, even though a touch of Essendon Bias came out when discussing the Crameri trade.

    As much as I was never really a fan, Caroline Wilson's coverage of the supplements saga was exemplary, and its a testament to here that Paul Little and all of the Essendon apologists chose to go with the personal attacks as vehemently as he did.

    And yet, Mark Robinson won an award for his coverage of the scandal. Are you *!*!*!*!ing serious?
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    She leaves once the ball is bounced, I see her on occasion if I'm running late to a match. She has no interest in the game itself.

    On the rare occasion she has something worth reading, but most of the time she's just pursuing personal vendettas under the guise of journalism, which is unprofessional and pretty pathetic really. Her stalking of Dane Swan after he had a run in with her son should have been killed in the bud by The Age if they had any leadership.

    I like Emma Quayle, but that's because I like the football part of football. If I was interested in gossip/scandal I'd read New Idea.

    Robbo is just Joffa in a cheap suit.
    I quite like Joffa, when he's not at a Pies game.

    Caroline Wilson is a flog. She was just lucky that her particular brand of witch hunt journalism was the type needed during the Essendon fiasco. A broken watch is right twice a day.
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    Re: Footy journalism - the good, the bad and the ugly

    Quote Originally Posted by Greystache View Post

    Robbo is just Joffa in a cheap suit.
    Disagree, I think Robbo actually has a distinct passion and understanding of the game, which comes through in his speech and his writing (even if he does have difficulty fully articulating himself).

    He just needs to get his head around that AFL footballers are his subjects, not his idols of worship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Days View Post
    Disagree, I think Robbo actually has a distinct passion and understanding of the game, which comes through in his speech and his writing (even if he does have difficulty fully articulating himself).

    He just needs to get his head around that AFL footballers are his subjects, not his idols of worship.
    The bolded in itself makes him a poor journalist. The intrinsic ability to express yourself is what separates a journalist from other people with an opinion on a subject.

    As for understanding the game, I would classify him as no better than the average punter in the stands, and substantially inferior to many just on WOOF alone.

    So passion, average understanding of the game, and difficulty expressing his views. That sounds like Joffa in a cheap suit to me.

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