Our first round draft selection - Who will it be?

[Bulldog Revolution]

By selecting McEvoy the Dogs sort of fill two problem positions of us the ruck and the genuine key forward options so it must be tempting. The question is
can he do both or even one position well enough.

That is the concern for me

There really aren't many guys who can ruck and move forward successfully - both are such hard positions to play so then the question becomes is he good enough to do either well enough to do it full time

It makes me wonder if Henderson is the best option for us

[dog town]

I have been reading a bit of Weaver's stuff from BF. For those that dont know he is a keen watcher of junior footy and is pretty honest with his assesments. Like everyone else he is not always right with his views on the young players but he generally gets the players strengths and weaknesses pretty much right. Can be pretty negative at times but I enjoy reading his profiles.

Thought some might be interested in his top 30 from July this year. He usually posts a phantom draft before the season then mid year and finally one in the post season just before the draft. Here is his top 30 from mid year (just after the champs).

1. Matt Kreuzer (Ruck / Fwd)

Capable in the ruck, but superb at ground level. Lays tackles, spoils and bumps like no other ruckman. Good skills, clean hands below his knees, superb balance. Great recovery and second efforts. Can go forward and pinch a goal or two. Very mobile. His ability to get from contest to contest and read the play are elite for a ruckman. Has a real competitive streak too which again a lot of the tall ex-basketballers struggle with.

2. Trent Cotchin (HFF / FP)

In the Nathan Brown / Garry Ablett mould of super-tricky, silky-skilled small forwards. Might develop into a genuine midfielder in time but at present projects as a forward. Has some of the Dale Thomas-like traits of just knowing what to do and where to go. Cotchin is superb swooping
on the loose ball. Reads the play well. Has good acceleration and quickness between the ears to react first - but probably won't win a sprint. Kicking for goal needs to improve. Has to stay involved when tagged which means amping up the tackling, chasing etc.

3. Lachie Henderson (Key Fwd / Ruck)

At 196 would only be a part-time AFL ruckman, and so would get drafted as a key forward. Mobile, strong, good in the air. Skilled. Missed carnival with an injury but has been rated for a long time. Showed out in last year's TAC finals as one to watch and although an up-and-down season has shown he can impact games. Not too many very tall KPs on offer this year which should see Henderson nudged up a spot or two.

4. Chris Masten (Rover)

Rovers tends not to go too early but Masten is simply too good to pass on. Might not be as sharp as Murphy or as dynamic as McLean but deserves to be in that same sort of early pick company. Pace is OK, wins huge amounts of the ball in tight, uses it well and brings teammates into the game. Can flat-out play and clubs will regret getting too clever and letting him slide. Got an armchair ride from Leuenberger last year - not this time where Palmer owes him a bevvy.

5. Alex Rance (Key Def)
Was superb at FB and at 194cm is a perfect height for the AFL scouts. Should good courage in his aerial work and was a very enthusiastic rebounder racking up touches from the last line. Good kicking is crucial in a modern FB for switching play and maintaining possession and Rance ticks that box. The prototype modern FB.

6. Steve Gaertner (Wing / HBF / Kef Def)
Athletic freak who needs to be taught how to play, where to go, how to get the footy and where to kick it. That said he is 196cm, can run like the wind and leap tall buildings in a single bound. Someone will take him as a project player and it will be very early on. If he learns to kick he will compete with Jarred Brennan and Lance Franklin for highlight-reel time. Better prospect than the likes of Tom Williams who went mucho early too.

7. Cale Morton (Wing / HBF)

Tall wingman or HBF. Stylish, elegant and a superb user of the ball with the ability to dob goals from outside 55. Uses his great stamina and long stride to cover plenty of ground and leave opponents behind. May not be able to do that in the AFL, may not have a coach appoint him designated playmaker / kicker. Doesn't really win his own footy - needs to be fed it. Probably best suited to a Goddard-like role in the backline setting up play.

8. Dave Gourdis (Key Fwd)
Impressive CHF who presents well, covers a fair bit of ground and can also get the ball at ground level. Vert good set-shot for goal. Makes the play well - reads the switches of play early and gets on his bike to offer himself at HFF/Wing. Moves the ball quickly when he gets it.


9. Scott Selwood (HBF / Rover)
A much blunter weapon than Joel. Scott is a blue-collar grunt who knocks people over and runs through packs. Plays a little too much on HBF for my taste but his stints in the centre have been encouraging. Probably doesn't run and carry enough - when he does it is because people have jumped out of his way. Shapes as a Daniel Harris type, one-paced inside thug who can lockdown opponents, cruch packs and get the ball going forward.

10. Rhys Palmer (Centre / Wing)
Star of the carnival jumping up into top-10 calculations. Deceptively good pace, good ball-winning capability and importantly finishes his work by kicking goals from midfield. Left foot can be lethal - right foot is just for balance. Might have been flattered a little by his form because he was allowed to run forward of the ball and ignore his man. But tackled when it was his turn. Also plays with a bit of charisma / attitude and lets people know when he scores a goal - which I like.

11. Tom Collier (Key Def / Ruck Rover)
Has a reasonable record at CHB where he is a good stopper. What will attract AFL clubs is his ability to influence games when cast as a makeshift ruck-rover. He has good foot skills (on the right at least), can run with the ball, and can find it in the packs. Decision making can get better but defenders who can make a spoil and then switch into midfield-like mode are pretty important in modern footy. Might drop a little because he was elligable last year and overlooked, so there are some question marks there.

12. Ben McEvoy (Ruck / Fwd)

At 199cm he is not a super-tall ruckman. As a forward of defender he lacks a bit of pace to become a permanent fixture at either end. Could easily get caught out as being in-between AFL positions. That said he competes well, can take a mark, reads the play superbly enough to thrive in the kick-behind-play role. Good kicking skills means he can be trusted with the footy.

13. Tayte Pears (Key Def)

A shining light in the WA defence locking down CHB and spoiling everything that came his way and being very comfortable in a WA back-6 that looked to pass, run and switch the ball. 192cm and bottom-aged hints at room for improvement. He was heavily coached by his compadres so will need
to get a little wiser about his positioning - but a superb championships will see him project as an AFL CHB or FB.

14. Brad Ebert (Centre)

Wouldn't have found the footy at the Champs if they tied a bell on it and let him start 10 minutes before everyone else. That said he was heavily tagged and didn't quit on his team. Good bloodlines, good junior pedigree, and 187cm inside midfielders who can move, kick well and offer leadership are far, far rarer than people might imagine. Might well be the lone member of the SA squad drafted this year.

15. David Myers (HBF)

Thrived as the 3rd defender and with most of their opponents on the ropes - he was free to play as an extra winger at times. Very athletic and skilled. Very confident in his footskills and a leader of the backline. Was highly rated coming into the carnival and will only have enhanced his reputation.

[dog town]

16. Cyril 'Junior' Rioli (Rover / Wing / Small Fwd)

Has been viewed as the next-big-thing from NT for what seems like years. In Melbourne playing school footy on scholarship so might be quicker to adjust to the AFL scene than some of the rural kids. Great blood lines with every other champion Aboriginal star seemingly some sort of uncle. Genuine rover at only 178. Quick-ish, reasonable by foot. Superb balance and hands. Showed a lovely little bonus talent by getting amongst the goals with some nice left-foot finishing, although they were FF goals not cruming goals. He won't last too long on draft day.

17. Robbie Tarrant (Key Fwd)

It remains to be seen if the AFL clubs are still interested in old-school gorilla FFs. Tarrant has shown some remarkable bursts of form for his club. Thrown defenders about like confetti and waged one-man warfare against backlines. At 196cm he is tall, he is physical, he will bulk up, and roam about the forward-50 letting people know he is there. Not as quick as Barry Hall or Fev
but from the same school.

18. Steven Browne (HBF, BP)

If any of the specialist small backman is to be picked then surely Browne will the one. WA were dominant which made his task easier than it might have been - but he took the most dangerous opposition smalls, blanketed them, and cut them up the other way. No flairy headline grabbing stuff - just very effective percentage football married to good pace and accurate foot passing. Quite top-aged but certainly in the mix.

19. Patty Vezpremi (Rover, BP, FP)

Stocky, cranky, aggressive, pack-charging, fist-pumping cannonball. I love that he does everything at full speed. No cruising around stylishly looking for options - get the ball, tuck it under an arm, run through something. Get-stuck-into-em. Probably lacks a yard of pace but it doesn't show because he goes full tilt all the time. Probably lacks some class - doesn't let it matter. Question about whether he can nudge it up to 11 amongst adults - but if Campbell Brown can cut it then Vez should too.

20. Jack Grimes (Ruck Rover / HBF)

He is a little one-paced and his kicking is a bit hit and miss. That said he wins the ball, goes hard and reads play superbly. A really smart footballer with leadership abilities and a competitive streak. Always finds a way to contribute. Even on his bad days he can snag a goal, make a spoil or tackle and stay involved. Doesn't let his mistakes put him off his game - straight back in for more action. You'd love to have him as a teammate - maybe not enough genuine quality for AFL tastes. Would like to see him arch his back and take people on more - tends to take what the game offers him as oppossed to really make things happen.

21. Thomas Bellchambers (Ruck)

Throwback to the pure tap-ruckman. Might be rated more highly but the fact that his tap work doesn't find teammates enough. He hits them where he wants - but why does he hit them where he does? Around the ground is only just handy. Doesn't get the touches that Kreuzer or McEvoy do. At 199cm he'd want to do more around the ground, and be more dangerous near goals.

22. Jackson Hall (Wing)

His kicking seems hit and miss - quite inconsistent. Also goes short a little too often for my taste. But is tall, quick and can be a running option through the middle. Tall enough at 187 to kick to in the air and can fill-in in a few roles. Has had good form in a reasonable Gippy side and carried it through to be one of Country's few consistent contributors. Still seems to be a lot of improvement left him as he irons out the decision making, adds some bulk and makes some better choices. Has the running game that the AFL clubs seek.

23. James Mulligan (Ruck, Key Def, Key Fwd)
Yes he had a lousy carnival - and yes his good games are infrequent. Mulligan is the Ottens in this draft. Good height, good athleticism and has shown an ability to play CHB despite being 201cm. Also quite skilled with a booming 60m kick which is very handy on point kick-ins. Known since under-16 days. Lacks competitiveness and tends to flop man-on-man. Should do much more ruckwork than he does and offers little when he is there. Height, athleticism and skill - will be a sought-after project and could blossom into a draft bargain with a bit more muscle and ticker.

24. Scott Simpson (Key Fwd)
Very, very sticky mitts. Plays FF or CHF and when he gets his hands to the footy he completes a lot of marks. Presents well, tries to play in front, has a nice little leap without being a high-jumper. Converts reasonably from his set-shots. Improving at staying involved after the marking contest. Would like to see him take more uncontested marks which would hint at pace and
leading ability.

25. Phil Smith (HBF)

Smith is your classical Kris Massie style 'modern' 3rd defender. He plays tight, he has a nice leap and spoil which lets him play taller than listed. He also has a winger pedigree so once the ball has spilled to the deck he can get involved in clearing the 50 and turning defence into attack. Overshadowed a tad by teammates in a deep Calder outfit. Needs a good finals campaign and needs to be evern more prominent rebounding. More midfield work won't hurt either.

26. Taylor Walker (HFF, FP)

Tends to play as the decoy, mobile, roaming forward. Drifts out the flanks a bit and gets quite a lot of his touches from getting involved at ground level. Has been the eye-catcher for the NSW team in their guest games and Champs run. Covers a heap of ground, plays in front, takes marks and has a knack for getting goals even in his bad-form games. Probably not a true KF, more a 3rd-forward in the Steve Johnson / Trent Hentschell style. Tied to Adelaide under the scholarship scheme. Certainly worth the pick they'll have to surrender.

27. Dan McKenna (Key Def)

Plays club footy at FF or CHF but really found wanting there in too many big games for my liking. When shunted to CHB he looks more comfortable. Seems to prefer having someone else make the play and then being able to come over the top for the spoil or in from the side. Rather muppet-armed and spindly - a course of protein shakes and he might make a good stopper.

28. Sam Reid (HBF, Wing, HFF)

Plays everywhere at once for QLD. 185cm is midfielder size and he'll need to take better stints in the guts to make it at a higher level. He doesn't quite have the class, pace or consistent kicking to justify playing him as a receiver or loose man down back. Seemed to tire a little in some games I've seen, but that might just be the amount of work he gets through. Plays with confidence and takes the game on.

29. Patrick Dangerfield (BP, Centre)

Was on-fire early for Geelong in the backpocket where he beat all comers as a rampaging backpocket. Given the tough tagging tasks in the carnival so is perhaps under-exposed. Big-bodied centreman / onballers are rare and sought after and Dangerfield fits the profile. He is tough as teak and kicks the ball well. No Jordan Lewis (yet) but clubs after someone to fill that sort of ruck-rover role won't have too many options and Dangerfield will be close to the best of them.

30. Darcy Daniher (HBF, HFF, Key Def)

Hasn't really had the chance to settle and show his best stuff as he continually gets shunted around to accommodate others. For example Trengrove and Dulic in the key defender spots. When given responsibilities he has looked the goods. Has a very punchy kicking action which gives good
penetration. Is probably a 3rd forward or 3rd defender and the question is does he have quite enough 'winger' in for those roles. No one wants a stay-at-home 3rd defender these days. I'd say he does so he'll get taken

[dog town]

That is the concern for me

There really aren't many guys who can ruck and move forward successfully - both are such hard positions to play so then the question becomes is he good enough to do either well enough to do it full time

It makes me wonder if Henderson is the best option for us

I have only seen McEvoy play twice so its hard for me to get a real handle on him.

I certainly share your concerns about players getting caught in between a ruckmen and a KPP. I remember Richmond taking Adam Pattison who to me was always going to be one of those types of players. For mine you have to disregard the players actual height and have a look at how they use that height. 200cm is easily tall enough for a ruckmen it just depends on how good he is at the actual art of rucking and what other strings he can add to his bow. Forwards at that height need to be pretty bloody talented or have some sort of x factor. From all reports he has pretty good hands which will certainly be an adavantage.

[Bulldog Revolution]

Seems to me that there is a higher number than normal of tall types in the draft

The more I read, the more I realise I have no idea who we should be picking

[dog town]

Seems to me that there is a higher number than normal of tall types in the draft

The more I read, the more I realise I have no idea who we should be picking

Particularly with Clayton running the show. You just dont know who will strike his fancy. Gourdis, Grant, Simpson, Gaertner, McEvoy, Tarrant and Henderson are all tall forwards who will be in and around our first 2 picks which makes it impossible to predict how he will go.

That is assuming we take 1 or 2 forwards. If you were taking 2 then you would probably look at having atleast one of them being pretty mobile. Then you have to take into account who will go where etc.

[Sockeye Salmon]

Can any of the draft experts tell me about Gourdis? Doesn't seem to be much being said about him but he has tested extremely well and seems to have had a good year of football as well. Is he a guy who will probably go between our first and second pick?

I saw WA v SA at the nationals and Gourdis was the standout to me.

Ashley Hanson style CHF (better contested mark IMO) who marked everything in sight. Worked his bum off and simply got to contest after contest. WA rebounded the ball out of their backline so often and so quickly (hello Alex Rance) and every time they went forward it was Gourdis leading up the ground at the ball.

I haven't been so impressed by a U18 player's game since Fergus Watts in 03, which just goes to show how poor a judge I really am.

[dog town]

I saw WA v SA at the nationals and Gourdis was the standout to me.

Ashley Hanson style CHF (better contested mark IMO) who marked everything in sight. Worked his bum off and simply got to contest after contest. WA rebounded the ball out of their backline so often and so quickly (hello Alex Rance) and every time they went forward it was Gourdis leading up the ground at the ball.

I haven't been so impressed by a U18 player's game since Fergus Watts in 03, which just goes to show how poor a judge I really am.

His profile reads like an Ashley Hansen type.

[Mantis]

I saw WA v SA at the nationals and Gourdis was the standout to me.

Ashley Hanson style CHF (better contested mark IMO) who marked everything in sight. Worked his bum off and simply got to contest after contest. WA rebounded the ball out of their backline so often and so quickly (hello Alex Rance) and every time they went forward it was Gourdis leading up the ground at the ball.

I haven't been so impressed by a U18 player's game since Fergus Watts in 03, which just goes to show how poor a judge I really am.

His pace as shown by his DC results was extremely promising for a guy of his size ( 193cm & 88kg).

I really think that we must pick a 'mobile' forward more so than 'power' forward, if there is a difference. Our style over the next 5 or so years will be a fast game which will rely on leading up to the ball rather than bombing the ball to pack situations. This bloke looks the type of player we require.

In most of the Phantom Drafts on BF Gourdis is gone by pick 19. Is it worth going for him at 5 and hoping another player slides for our 2nd pick?

[Mofra]

In most of the Phantom Drafts on BF Gourdis is gone by pick 19. Is it worth going for him at 5 and hoping another player slides for our 2nd pick?

Gourdis does sound like a Clayton type - outside top 10 pick on the phantom drafts, and he said he was confident picks 5 & 19 will be available when he makes his selection.

Most phantom drafts had Everitt in the 30s so pick 19 could well be a player we haven't been discussing at all.

[Bulldog Revolution]

I have only seen McEvoy play twice so its hard for me to get a real handle on him.

I certainly share your concerns about players getting caught in between a ruckmen and a KPP. I remember Richmond taking Adam Pattison who to me was always going to be one of those types of players. For mine you have to disregard the players actual height and have a look at how they use that height. 200cm is easily tall enough for a ruckmen it just depends on how good he is at the actual art of rucking and what other strings he can add to his bow. Forwards at that height need to be pretty bloody talented or have some sort of x factor. From all reports he has pretty good hands which will certainly be an adavantage.

Sorry I missed this DT

Pattison is a good example of the kind of tweener I was thinking of - who nonetheless may still blossom into a really valubale mix of both forward and ruck. I think Lade started off as more a forward ruckman than a full time ruckman.

I've heard McEvoy alternatively described as quick and slow - I wonder if Peter Deans appointment will provide more momentum to the McEvoy selection

[Bulldog Revolution]

Sorry I missed this DT

Pattison is a good example of the kind of tweener I was thinking of - who nonetheless may still blossom into a really valubale mix of both forward and ruck. I think Lade started off as more a forward ruckman than a full time ruckman.

I've heard McEvoy alternatively described as quick and slow - I wonder if Peter Deans appointment will provide more momentum to the McEvoy selection

Gourdis does sound like a Clayton type - outside top 10 pick on the phantom drafts, and he said he was confident picks 5 & 19 will be available when he makes his selection.

Most phantom drafts had Everitt in the 30s so pick 19 could well be a player we haven't been discussing at all.

There just seems to be so many guys who sound like Clayton type picks: Rance, Gaertner, Simpson, Gouridis, Grant, Morton, Collier etc

[LostDoggy]

I definetly don't think we need another defender e.g. Alex Rance, I personally think our backline is set for many years to come. I think Ben Mc evoy sounds like he will become a good footballer like Jason Laycock but sort of caught between roles. However I am worried about Lachlan Henderson's groin troubles, although Clayton has showed he isn't scared to take a young guy who has previously had serious injuries.

[Dancin' Douggy]

I want Gaertner because the Dogs need a freak. I remember when Monty started taking hangers It was so exciting because that was what ' other teams did'.
A premiership is the ultimate prize of course but of all the honours out there we never win anything. Pre season cup, brownlow, coleman, rising star, mvp, mark of the year, goal of the year, even a flag for werribee ( yes i know its willy now). As a bulldogs supporter I just want to win SOMETHING!!!!!!!!
If we got Gaertner at least we might win mark of the year and I'd be slightly warmed by that. Even just one poster the kids could hang on the wall of a glorious bulldogs mark ala Roach or Baker. BRING ON THE FREAK..................

[LostDoggy]

I want ever Clayton picks.