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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

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    Last season there were a few on WOOF who were calling for Bevo to walk, saying that his days should be numbered. As we sit 11-3 right now and presumably finals bound, just wondering what people think of Bevo now? Are there still naysayers?
    When you are losing people go for the coach and forget the fact that the players are the ones out there. If you don't have the right players on the field due to injury or bad recruiting or they are not following instructions, then of course performance will suffer.

    Look at Carlton and fans, media turning on Teague. Carlton just don't have the right blend of players, yet the coach is blamed.
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

    Carlton's funny, they actually think you have to be good because you've been bad for so long. They know nothing of the steps in between those two states.
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    When you are losing people go for the coach and forget the fact that the players are the ones out there. If you don't have the right players on the field due to injury or bad recruiting or they are not following instructions, then of course performance will suffer.

    Look at Carlton and fans, media turning on Teague. Carlton just don't have the right blend of players, yet the coach is blamed.
    Whilst I agree with you, what about 2014 under McCartney and 2015 under Bevo?

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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

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    Whilst I agree with you, what about 2014 under McCartney and 2015 under Bevo?
    Yes, there are bad coaches too, but Bevo had the runs on the board
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

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    Yes, there are bad coaches too.
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

    Quote Originally Posted by Scraggers View Post
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    Last season there were a few on WOOF who were calling for Bevo to walk, saying that his days should be numbered. As we sit 11-3 right now and presumably finals bound, just wondering what people think of Bevo now? Are there still naysayers?
    My biggest issue with Bevo was match committee decisions like giving games to Gowers, Porter, Butler, English as a solo ruck, Gardner when he was going horribly, Bruce etc while shunning the likes of Young, Trengove etc. I felt like we lacked integrity with our MC decision making and it led to some incredibly imbalanced sides - who can forget Hayden Crozier lining up at half forward in a cutthroat final?

    I honestly think Dunks trying to get out of the place was a bit of a wake up call for the playing group and for Bevo himself, and we're now seeing players picked in defined roles that make sense for their skill sets and the players are buying in and are committed.
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

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    It's official!

    I've got a good feeling about this bloke & obviously wish him all the very best on behalf of many hungry Doggies fans!
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

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    I honestly think Dunks trying to get out of the place was a bit of a wake up call for the playing group and for Bevo himself, and we're now seeing players picked in defined roles that make sense for their skill sets and the players are buying in and are committed.
    Might be something to that, I reckon. We are using plenty of players, like we did earlier on in Bevo’s reign and are regularly, on paper, presenting a fairly traditional set up. He still won’t let go of the midfielder as a back up ruck, but it’s less of a feature at the moment. So pleased to see BDSM and Sweet play at times.

    I had him sacked at R2 2018. I’ll never apologise for it.

    Changed my mind after R6 2019, a loss to Freo but I noticed a few changes in his presentation and language that made me feel like he was up for it. Showed great leadership in 2020 and is being more sensible in 2021.

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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

    I was someone who was displeased with how we were going.

    I like Beveridge, and was very happy to ack him in when he was going good (the 2015-16 era). I know that sounds easy in hindsight, but I was very happy to go with his crazy team selection stuff back then and loved his braveness to back in us being better instead of trying to change our fundamentals because the opposition had certain players.

    Since 2016 though it's been a bit of a shit show.
    -Too clever by half team selection. You know what I'm talking about. Every unconventional decision we made in this area in 2015-16 came off, but 2017 onwards it almost always ended in disaster and we never ever pulled back on it.
    -Baffling gameday moves. Mostly ruck related, but other things have been frustrating throughout.
    -A vibe that he'd rather die trying to pull the impossible off than take a more conventional route, even when the latter is right there for the taking.
    -A love of throwing first year players in often when they weren't ready but reluctance to play ready to go recruits. This is particularly infuriating when we refuse to cut the players he clearly doesn't want to play. Ben Cavarra is a good example here.
    -Too stubborn. So stubborn.
    -A combative manner that I didn't think put the club in a very positive overall space. See basically any press conference. I don't disagree with a lot of his viewpoints on this stuff, but they could be handled a little less bluntly.
    -Blind loyalty to fringe players that I do not see as the future. Kind of the Ben Cavarra thing.
    -A continual embrace of our strengths while generally ignoring certain weaknesses and letting them become even weaker. Our defence is performing now, but up until and cinluding last year was only getting worse and even now I'm not sold.
    -Poor supporter engagement, the lack of training access being part of that. So secretive, to the point of shutting out the people that the club exists for.
    -A lack of improvement from the team, I think everyone has felt like we have underperformed the last few years but at the same time it became hard to see how we would just get better.

    There are more, and some sound lamer than others, but they add up.

    The other part was i had a theory about Beveridge, in that I think he would be an excellent short term coach who moved clubs frequently. He is a breathe of fresh air, and really good at harnessing the energy and enhancing the potential of a group imo. Kind of a bottled lightning guy. I reckon ( and still think) he is the perfect coach to go to a club on the edge of being really good, like say West Coast, or maybe Collingwood, or definitely GWS, and turn them into a very good side for 2-3 years. I think he'd be great at reinvogorating careers like he did with us, get them their shot at a Premiership, and then move on for his next contract. A bit like how in soccer there are managers that are relegation shitfight specialists, or promotion boys, that kind of thing. Beveridge could be the guy that you call if you think you are capable of being a top 4-5 ish side, but can't quite seem to take that next step and are stagnating. Give him 3 years, he'll get you bloody close, then off he jumps to join a different group in a similiar position. I wasn't sold that he was a guy that could still be fresh and inspire a group that he'd been around for 6+ years.

    I think my bigger criticisms were that it seemed that we all saw his flaws, but weren't really holding him accountable for them. He is undoubtedly a very good coach, and I'm not sure there is anything better on the market (or even in the league), but another season of not being as good as we could be and it could have been hard call time.

    Many of the above issues have resolved themselves, some haven't, and maybe he has come out the other side of a lean patch (that wasn't even that lean tbf) and we go on to be amazing. Regardless, winning fixes everything and we are definitely doing that.
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

    Great post Soup.

    I was definitely in the need to go camp as I saw him stubbornly trying to reinvent the game and persisting with everything that wasn't working.

    He has now got us into a brilliant position with great help from the list management.
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

    Quote Originally Posted by comrade View Post
    My biggest issue with Bevo was match committee decisions like giving games to Gowers, Porter, Butler, English as a solo ruck, Gardner when he was going horribly, Bruce etc while shunning the likes of Young, Trengove etc. I felt like we lacked integrity with our MC decision making and it led to some incredibly imbalanced sides - who can forget Hayden Crozier lining up at half forward in a cutthroat final?

    I honestly think Dunks trying to get out of the place was a bit of a wake up call for the playing group and for Bevo himself, and we're now seeing players picked in defined roles that make sense for their skill sets and the players are buying in and are committed.
    Whilst I agree with you in principle, the vision Bevo has shown to ensure the whole team has versatility is most definitely coming to the fore. We have played all players in our list (except three) and sit second on the ladder 11-3. I cannot remember another team using that many on their list and winning so many games. The instability of using 38/39 different players costs games. But not this team. This was, in my opinion, Bevo’s long term plan from the start. It’s paying off in spades.
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

    Quote Originally Posted by Scraggers View Post
    Whilst I agree with you in principle, the vision Bevo has shown to ensure the whole team has versatility is most definitely coming to the fore. We have played all players in our list (except three) and sit second on the ladder 11-3. I cannot remember another team using that many on their list and winning so many games. The instability of using 38/39 different players costs games. But not this team. This was, in my opinion, Bevo’s long term plan from the start. It’s paying off in spades.
    I think we've played that many this year because we've had so many injuries and not a grand plan to introduce versatility into the team. Playing Gowers at all or English as a solo ruck all last year wasn't about versatility.
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

    Good perspectives all round.

    Soup - now that Bevo's overseen somewhat of a forced rebuild have you changed your view on him being the two to three year contract magic man/ breath of fresh air?

    I said in the game day thread yesterday that I think Bevo's had a plan, and it's coming to fruition. A bit like Scraggers is saying above. It's definitely been frustrating, and I don't know whether it's been the best way to go but we are where we are and we're playing as good a football as any side in the competition right now.

    Results leading up to this year were probably more telling in hindsight than they may have appeared at the time. While we could play good football we had a core that lacked maturity, hardness and a killer instinct. We could have etched out more home and away wins with less adventurous selection, but we'd have likely come unstuck in the finals like we eventually did. Whether he gets credit for it or otherwise, the core of the playing group seems to have taken a massive mental step forward and is being well complemented by development and cohesion across the board. It's not perfect yet, we're still prone to costly lapses as demonstrated across all of our losses, but the delta between those lapses and our consistent high performance seems to be shrinking.
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    Re: Welcome to the Kennel, Mr Beveridge

    Quote Originally Posted by bornadog View Post
    When you are losing people go for the coach and forget the fact that the players are the ones out there. If you don't have the right players on the field due to injury or bad recruiting or they are not following instructions, then of course performance will suffer.

    Look at Carlton and fans, media turning on Teague. Carlton just don't have the right blend of players, yet the coach is blamed.
    I think thats what happened with us last year, with players injured, unfit or played out of position:

    Bruce was not fit
    Naughton got injured
    We lost Dunkely for a few weeks
    We did not have a mature ruck, and English was getting smashed, along with Dunks at times. Just ridiculous we use our gun mids as ruck. Roos used Goodes in the ruck and realized after he did his knee he should never risk his champion like that.

    I got a sense Bonts was playing sore in a few games as he was carrying a heavy load, even rucking at that GWS final .

    The backline was just starting to work itself out with Keith in the team.

    1 year later, and everyone has matured. Add in :
    - Treloar:that extra midfield class we miss, who hurt oppsitions on the outside with run and goals
    - Dunks superfit and dominate mid, until he got injured
    -Macrae is mr Super consistent : 14 games with 30+ displosals and his kicking goals now!
    - surprise influx of forward pressure with : Scoot, McNeil, Vandemeer , Weightman, Garcia and even JJ has bought in.
    - almost like new recruits back from injury: McLean, Richards,
    - Bruce super fit, and his kicking accuracy has been a surprise.
    - Naughton as a power forward with the balance act with Bruce /english.
    - English is a year bigger and stronger
    - fierce contest for spots in the team with contests from depth: Lipinski, Wallis, Cavarra, Garcia, Hayes, Roarke, Butler, West, Young, Schache all vying for that last 21-22 spot. Some of these guys may not have the elite attributes like our best 22 , but some of them won't die trying.

    Bevo now has the players to execute his strategy and he knows it . Its all about the execution now with this team.
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