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27-06-2021, 11:07 PM
#511
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Shout out to Timmy.
NN got 7 more touches (much less efficient though), 16 more hit outs and a handful more clearances
Timmy got 6 more marks and 3 more tackles, 2 more intercepts, 1 more shot at goal, 1 more GA & Score Involvement, 19% more efficient
Without going to the tapes, I’m going to say NN won in the ruck contests that was responsible for his main stats being higher. But Tim seems to have outworked him around the ground, especially forward to even the ledger. Both men played to their very different strengths. In the end best case for WCE was a draw where they expected dominance. Bevo’s counter point to play to our strengths and not overly focus on weakness paid off as Tim’s return was terrific.
Agree. But I saw some really good signs from Tim with his ruckcraft. NN is the type of player Tim has been panted by before. Today, we saw Tim time his jumps better, use movement and change of position at the ruck contest to at least halve the hit out, and deny NN (and therefore his on all crew) 100% confidence they were going to win at every ruck contest.
Like Bont, NN's talent can't always be denied, but Tim did more than enough to ensure Nick wasn't a crucial factor.
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28-06-2021, 02:28 PM
#512
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Natanui also frequently grabs onto and pulls away the opponent, you saw a few times where he grabs the waist of English and used his momentum to remove English from the contest entirely.
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01-07-2021, 05:54 PM
#513
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Just the facts Jack. Just the facts.
Stef Martin
34 years 7 months
2021:
5 games without injury
2 games injured in/after (Achilles & Shoulder)
7 games missed to injury at this stage
Out for another two or three with a groin. Three seperate injuries now. Whilst I’m not wanting to sign him to next season, if there’s room in our soft cap I think he could be really important for a few seasons. Our main competitor rival rucks are Gawn & McInerney, who Martin has played with them at Melbourne & Brisbane. Plus he’s got 15 years experience and would have great insight on how to tactically deal with all the rucks in the league. With English still developing, Sweet trying to get his career moving and Darcy going to need to add technique to his 205cm, a very well seasoned ruck coach seems like something which would be nice to have now into the longer window. Martin seems like a good candidate. Like Bevo he can give up the other stuff and just focus on the weights.
Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
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01-07-2021, 05:57 PM
#514
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Out for another two or three with a groin. Three seperate injuries now. Whilst I’m not wanting to sign him to next season, if there’s room in our soft cap I think he could be really important for a few seasons. Our main competitor rival rucks are Gawn & McInerney, who Martin has played with them at Melbourne & Brisbane. Plus he’s got 15 years experience and would have great insight on how to tactically deal with all the rucks in the league. With English still developing, Sweet trying to get his career moving and Darcy going to need to add technique to his 205cm, a very well seasoned ruck coach seems like something which would be nice to have now into the longer window. Martin seems like a good candidate. Like Bevo he can give up the other stuff and just focus on the weights.
I'd keep him on a bare bones playing contract if his body isn't completely cooked by year's end. It means we'll have a break in case of emergency option AND a ruck/stoppages coach we don't need to pay out of the soft cap.
Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.
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01-07-2021, 07:15 PM
#515
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
comrade
I'd keep him on a bare bones playing contract if his body isn't completely cooked by year's end. It means we'll have a break in case of emergency option AND a ruck/stoppages coach we don't need to pay out of the soft cap.
I can still see him being huge in September for us, it might be his last real crack at one.
Can envision an influential finals series swaying a call on his future
Float Along - Fill Your Lungs
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01-07-2021, 07:23 PM
#516
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
The Pie Man
I can still see him being huge in September for us, it might be his last real crack at one.
Can envision an influential finals series swaying a call on his future
Man, I'm praying you are right.
Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.
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01-07-2021, 11:41 PM
#517
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Out for another two or three with a groin. Three seperate injuries now. Whilst I’m not wanting to sign him to next season, if there’s room in our soft cap I think he could be really important for a few seasons. Our main competitor rival rucks are Gawn & McInerney, who Martin has played with them at Melbourne & Brisbane. Plus he’s got 15 years experience and would have great insight on how to tactically deal with all the rucks in the league. With English still developing, Sweet trying to get his career moving and Darcy going to need to add technique to his 205cm, a very well seasoned ruck coach seems like something which would be nice to have now into the longer window. Martin seems like a good candidate. Like Bevo he can give up the other stuff and just focus on the weights.
Isn't Steven King still at the club?
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01-07-2021, 11:42 PM
#518
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Isn't Steven King still at the club?
He is senior assistant, number two to Bevo
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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01-07-2021, 11:44 PM
#519
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
He is senior assistant, number two to Bevo
And one of the best ruckman of his time. Perhaps he doesn't have time to be a ruck coach?
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02-07-2021, 09:23 AM
#520
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
And one of the best ruckman of his time. Perhaps he doesn't have time to be a ruck coach?
Isn't he our stoppages coach?
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07-07-2021, 03:55 PM
#521
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Some teaching
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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07-07-2021, 06:51 PM
#522
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Some teaching
If Sweet was getting game time I would have Martin in his ear when he goes to the bench.
Don't piss off old people
The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...
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07-07-2021, 09:54 PM
#523
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Hotdog60
If Sweet was getting game time I would have Martin in his ear when he goes to the bench.
Excellent idea. I’m sure that would have made a difference in the Melbourne game.
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08-07-2021, 11:25 AM
#524
Re: Well Ruck Me.
AFL.com saying Rory Lobb is gettsble. Has ties to Victoria. $700,000 a year.
He’d be the type of ruck Bevo would like. Lobb & English rucking and playing forward…
Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
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08-07-2021, 11:27 AM
#525
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
AFL.com saying Rory Lobb is gettsble. Has ties to Victoria. $700,000 a year.
He’d be the type of ruck Bevo would like. Lobb & English rucking and playing forward…
Do we still have that no dickhead policy?
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