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14-07-2021, 01:32 PM
#556
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
soupaman
What happens if we go into deficit to take Darcy (which I think takes point off our first rounder next year pushing it back in the order, but we have already traded out that first rounder? Does the deficit go to our next pick, or carry over into 2022, or what?
The maximum deficit allowed is 1,723 DPs. If you trade out the future first the maximum deficit is reduced to only 738 DPS.
If Darcy went at Pick 1 - 2,400 DPS - we’d need to have 1,662 DPs this year at a minimum. Without that and reduced allowable deficit then the afel would not approve the bid to be matched. You can’t roll deficits over years.
As per my second essay, I think trading this years first for a player and finding 700+ DPs in trades and taking nearly the maximum deficit is they way to go. It’s like AfterPay, get Darcy & The Traded Player now and have it paid back in 12 months.
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15-07-2021, 10:07 AM
#557
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Is Lewy Young really 201cm? He seems to have grown again form previously listed 197cm. That is true ruckman size. I like what I've seen of his ruck craft in the VFL and he clearly won taps against Hickey on the weekend. I think it can be developed.
Do we actually already have a viable ruckman on the list?
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15-07-2021, 10:10 AM
#558
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Is Lewy Young really 201cm? He seems to have grown again form previously listed 197cm. That is true ruckman size. I like what I've seen of his ruck craft in the VFL and he clearly won taps against Hickey on the weekend. I think it can be developed.
Do we actually already have a viable ruckman on the list?
and yes he is still only 22 years old (December will be 23)
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15-07-2021, 10:14 AM
#559
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Is Lewy Young really 201cm? He seems to have grown again form previously listed 197cm. That is true ruckman size. I like what I've seen of his ruck craft in the VFL and he clearly won taps against Hickey on the weekend. I think it can be developed.
Do we actually already have a viable ruckman on the list?
I thought he moved ahead of Jordan Sweet on that performance. I know he's played forward/ruck roles at VFL level in the past.
This might actually be his best chance of playing more senior games with us
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15-07-2021, 10:23 AM
#560
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
1eyedog
Is Lewy Young really 201cm? He seems to have grown again form previously listed 197cm. That is true ruckman size. I like what I've seen of his ruck craft in the VFL and he clearly won taps against Hickey on the weekend. I think it can be developed.
Do we actually already have a viable ruckman on the list?
There was a report to that effect earlier in the year but he just doesn't look that tall next to other players to me. But who knows really - player heights are one of the great mysteries of our time like the JFK assassination and just where Easty will turn up next on his tour of the Western suburbs.
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15-07-2021, 10:27 AM
#561
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Listed as 201cm on the club website which is probably the best source but I agree he looks under 200cm in the 2021 team photo standing next to Martin and actually looks really small next to English and Sweet. Looks a bit taller than Bruce and Gardner and about as tall as Schache.
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19-07-2021, 02:39 PM
#562
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Well connected BF guy claims that Martin now unlikely to return this season.
If true, do we start to play Sweet now?
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19-07-2021, 02:50 PM
#563
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
Well connected BF guy claims that Martin now unlikely to return this season.
If true, do we start to play Sweet now?
Only way we see Sweet again is if English doesn't play.
More of an In Bruges guy?
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19-07-2021, 02:56 PM
#564
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
Well connected BF guy claims that Martin now unlikely to return this season.
If true, do we start to play Sweet now?
If true, it's been a pretty horrendous recruit in the end.
We need a #1 ruck for next year more than anything else.
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19-07-2021, 02:58 PM
#565
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
If true, it's been a pretty horrendous recruit in the end.
We need a #1 ruck for next year more than anything else.
I wouldn't say horrendous as the cost was minimal but recruiting a 34 year old ruck coming off an injury plagued year was asking for trouble. Imagine if we'd targeted Hickey instead, who cost Sydney peanuts (some pick swaps) and would be perfect for us.
Could have been a premiership winning decision.
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19-07-2021, 03:00 PM
#566
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
comrade
I wouldn't say horrendous as the cost was minimal but recruiting a 34 year old ruck coming off an injury plagued year was asking for trouble. Imagine if we'd targeted Hickey instead, who cost Sydney peanuts (some pick swaps) and would be perfect for us.
Don't forget the mentoring and ruck coaching he has brought to the club. Can't be underestimated.
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19-07-2021, 03:05 PM
#567
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
comrade
I wouldn't say horrendous as the cost was minimal but recruiting a 34 year old ruck coming off an injury plagued year was asking for trouble. Imagine if we'd targeted Hickey instead, who cost Sydney peanuts (some pick swaps) and would be perfect for us.
Could have been a premiership winning decision.
Yeah I should have clarified.
Horrendous in that it COULD cost us a Premiership THIS year. That's how important it is IMO. A few of us did mention at the time Martin was a risk given his age and so it's come to pass.
Hickey would have been great.
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19-07-2021, 03:56 PM
#568
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Dry Rot
Well connected BF guy claims that Martin now unlikely to return this season.
If true, do we start to play Sweet now?
TBH I'd play Young ahead of Sweet, and I have serious doubts about Young.
Ladhams/Max Lynch next year please.
Naughton, Marra and English as a three-pronged forwardline next year. Bruce works his arse off if he wants to play as well.
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19-07-2021, 04:15 PM
#569
Re: Well Ruck Me.
The club is so very unlucky. No one could’ve predicted we needed a mature, fit and match ready ruckman.
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19-07-2021, 04:16 PM
#570
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Mofra
TBH I'd play Young ahead of Sweet, and I have serious doubts about Young.
Ladhams/Max Lynch next year please.
Naughton, Marra and English as a three-pronged forwardline next year. Bruce works his arse off if he wants to play as well.
I've liked Bruce but you're right, it's only getting harder for him from here on out. An attack of Naughton/English/Marra looks better.
He needs a good finals series - last few weeks haven't been good enough.