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26-08-2021, 10:50 AM
#691
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
azabob
Would Ben Hudson get a game in Luke Beveridge team?
He is probably our best ruckman since Scott Wynd / Luke Darcy.
In a heartbeat. His follow up work when the ball hit the deck was incredible and would release Macrae and Bont even more to play as legitimate ball-hunters.
Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers
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26-08-2021, 10:53 AM
#692
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Chol is a free agent and reports Essendon are going hard among other clubs, not ours in the reports. We are keeping it quiet or we aren’t interested in this style of ruck.
Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
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26-08-2021, 11:50 AM
#693
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Chol is a free agent and reports Essendon are going hard among other clubs, not ours in the reports. We are keeping it quiet or we aren’t interested in this style of ruck.
Actually don't mind Chol, and I would be a little surprised if Richmond let him go.
Problem is he's basically English - tall, lean, skilful who is better forward but can offer ruck minutes.
If we had a young Martin and no English, I'd be keen, but not the other way around.
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26-08-2021, 12:14 PM
#694
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
The Bulldogs Bite
Actually don't mind Chol, and I would be a little surprised if Richmond let him go.
Problem is he's basically English - tall, lean, skilful who is better forward but can offer ruck minutes.
If we had a young Martin and no English, I'd be keen, but not the other way around.
I’ve been saying I think we need two rucks this year.
Chol as a free agent as a Bruce replacement/ruck minutes. We have the cash and costs no picks
English as a forward/ruck minutes. Plus dropping into defence if needed. Swing man.
McEvoy (for example) First Ruck. Cost is very little.
Complete restructuring for basically just salary. Which we have spare. Or if JJ requests a trade. His salary covers both rucks.
2022:
HF: Weightman Chol VDM
F: Marra Naughton English/McNeil rotating
R: McEvoy Bonts Macrae
#1 Ruck: McEvoy
KPDs: Naughton, Chol
Third: English
Mid: Marra (over Hannan)
Smalls: Cody, VDM, McNeil
But we aren’t linked, even on the rumour mill, to a ruck yet. But I think two rucks, one a handy forward, would be ideal to my thinking.
Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
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26-08-2021, 12:24 PM
#695
Re: Well Ruck Me.
I would like a ruckman next year, ideally around 27 to 28 years old as a longer term number one ruck.
I don't want another Martin who will break down.
Who this is, I don't know.
FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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26-08-2021, 12:28 PM
#696
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
I would like a ruckman next year, ideally around 27 to 28 years old as a longer term number one ruck.
I don't want another Martin who will break down.
Who this is, I don't know.
How old is Grundy or Gawn? Do they fall into this bracket?
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26-08-2021, 12:32 PM
#697
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
I’ve been saying I think we need two rucks this year.
Chol as a free agent as a Bruce replacement/ruck minutes. We have the cash and costs no picks
English as a forward/ruck minutes. Plus dropping into defence if needed. Swing man.
McEvoy (for example) First Ruck. Cost is very little.
Complete restructuring for basically just salary. Which we have spare. Or if JJ requests a trade. His salary covers both rucks.
2022:
HF: Weightman Chol VDM
F: Marra Naughton English/McNeil rotating
R: McEvoy Bonts Macrae
#1 Ruck: McEvoy
KPDs: Naughton, Chol
Third: English
Mid: Marra (over Hannan)
Smalls: Cody, VDM, McNeil
But we aren’t linked, even on the rumour mill, to a ruck yet. But I think two rucks, one a handy forward, would be ideal to my thinking.
Apparently the Dons are all over Chol.
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26-08-2021, 12:33 PM
#698
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Mofra
Is that so bad? Arguably a forward/ruck who is actually good is harder to find than a modestly capable no 1 ruck.
Thing is he isn't actually a very good forward either, he's not a natural one anyway. In terms of ruck craft I have Young comfortably in front of him there as well. He's in limbo and at the moment he is simply 'tall'.
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26-08-2021, 12:36 PM
#699
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
Apparently the Dons are all over Chol.
Yep. He’s the best ruck/forward Free Agent. I’d hope we are in the race too needing to cover Bruce and address ruck depth. As well as getting a pure #1 ruck.
I can dream, right? Finally getting serious about the ruck and addressing covering Bruce?
Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023
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26-08-2021, 12:39 PM
#700
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bulldogtragic
Yep. He’s the best ruck/forward Free Agent. I’d hope we are in the race too needing to cover Bruce and address ruck depth. As well as getting a pure #1 ruck.
I can dream, right? Finally getting serious about the ruck and addressing covering Bruce?
Then you wake up and we find out Mitch Wallis is working on his ruck craft over the off season. Maybe he'd get a game that way.
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26-08-2021, 12:44 PM
#701
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Grantysghost
Apparently the Dons are all over Chol.
Is he any good?
2021 Games Log for Mabior Chol (Richmond Tigers) |
|
Description |
Date |
Opponent |
Result |
K |
HB |
D |
M |
G |
B |
T |
HO |
GA |
I50 |
CL |
CG |
R50 |
FF |
FA |
AF |
SC |
Round 23 |
Aug 21 |
Hawks |
Draw 83-83 |
5 |
2 |
7 |
4 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
4 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
54 |
53 |
Round 20 |
Aug 1 |
Dockers |
Loss 51-55 |
6 |
2 |
8 |
4 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
6 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
4 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
42 |
32 |
Round 19 |
Jul 25 |
Cats |
Loss 57-95 |
3 |
3 |
6 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
5 |
0 |
2 |
5 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
0 |
29 |
42 |
Round 18 |
Jul 16 |
Lions |
Win 106-86 |
8 |
2 |
10 |
4 |
4 |
0 |
1 |
12 |
0 |
2 |
4 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
78 |
113 |
Round 17 |
Jul 11 |
Magpies |
Loss 71-87 |
2 |
9 |
11 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
17 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
52 |
51 |
Round 16 |
Jul 1 |
Suns |
Loss 67-77 |
7 |
7 |
14 |
5 |
0 |
1 |
2 |
25 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
3 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
78 |
98 |
Round 15 |
Jun 25 |
Saints |
Loss 22-62 |
5 |
6 |
11 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
12 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
55 |
63 |
Round 13 |
Jun 13 |
Eagles |
Loss 81-85 |
4 |
3 |
7 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
7 |
14 |
0 |
2 |
4 |
4 |
0 |
1 |
3 |
58 |
65 |
Round 12 |
Jun 5 |
Bombers |
Win 123-84 |
13 |
6 |
19 |
6 |
0 |
1 |
2 |
19 |
1 |
6 |
1 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
97 |
93 |
Round 11 |
May 30 |
Crows |
Win 111-83 |
6 |
1 |
7 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
3 |
9 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
62 |
65 |
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|
|
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FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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26-08-2021, 12:44 PM
#702
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Compared to English
Player Statistics Comparison |
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Mabior Chol |
Name |
Timothy English |
Richmond Tigers |
Team |
Western Bulldogs |
Forward, Ruck |
Position |
Forward, Ruck |
31 |
Career Games |
65 |
Aspley |
Origin |
South Fremantle |
January 29, 1997 |
Date of Birth |
August 10, 1997 |
24yr 6mth |
Age |
24yr 0mth |
200cm |
Height |
205cm |
91kg |
Weight |
93kg |
2018 Rookie Draft |
Last Drafted In |
2016 National Draft |
Round 3, Pick #45 |
Last Draft Position |
Round 1, Pick #19 |
Richmond Tigers |
Last Drafted By |
Western Bulldogs |
2021 |
Stats for Season |
2021 |
10 |
Games |
18 |
5.9 |
Kicks |
7.3 |
4.1 |
Handballs |
5.8 |
10.0 |
Disposals |
13.1 |
3.1 |
Marks |
5.2 |
0.7 |
Goals |
1.1 |
0.4 |
Behinds |
0.7 |
2.5 |
Tackles |
2.8 |
12.3 |
Hitouts |
15.6 |
1.7 |
Inside 50s |
1.3 |
0.1 |
Goal Assists |
0.2 |
0.8 |
Frees For |
1.0 |
0.8 |
Frees Against |
1.2 |
5.4 |
Contested Possessions |
6.2 |
4.9 |
Uncontested Possessions |
6.9 |
7.0 |
Effective Disposals |
9.5 |
70% |
Disposal Efficiency % |
72.5% |
2.0 |
Clangers |
2.4 |
1.0 |
Contested Marks |
1.7 |
0.7 |
Marks Inside 50 |
1.6 |
2.1 |
Clearances |
1.7 |
0.7 |
Rebound 50s |
0.7 |
2.6 |
One Percenters |
2.8 |
0 |
Bounces |
0.1 |
65.8 |
Time On Ground % |
81.7 |
0.5 |
Centre Clearances |
0.4 |
1.6 |
Stoppage Clearances |
1.2 |
2.5 |
Score Involvements |
4.5 |
157.5 |
Metres Gained |
165.7 |
2.1 |
Turnovers |
2.5 |
3.3 |
Intercepts |
2.7 |
0 |
Tackles Inside 50 |
0.6 |
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FFC: Established 1883
Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.
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26-08-2021, 12:53 PM
#703
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Is he any good?
2021 Games Log for Mabior Chol (Richmond Tigers) |
|
Description |
Date |
Opponent |
Result |
K |
HB |
D |
M |
G |
B |
T |
HO |
GA |
I50 |
CL |
CG |
R50 |
FF |
FA |
AF |
SC |
Round 23 |
Aug 21 |
Hawks |
Draw 83-83 |
5 |
2 |
7 |
4 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
4 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
54 |
53 |
Round 20 |
Aug 1 |
Dockers |
Loss 51-55 |
6 |
2 |
8 |
4 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
6 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
4 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
42 |
32 |
Round 19 |
Jul 25 |
Cats |
Loss 57-95 |
3 |
3 |
6 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
5 |
0 |
2 |
5 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
0 |
29 |
42 |
Round 18 |
Jul 16 |
Lions |
Win 106-86 |
8 |
2 |
10 |
4 |
4 |
0 |
1 |
12 |
0 |
2 |
4 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
78 |
113 |
Round 17 |
Jul 11 |
Magpies |
Loss 71-87 |
2 |
9 |
11 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
17 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
52 |
51 |
Round 16 |
Jul 1 |
Suns |
Loss 67-77 |
7 |
7 |
14 |
5 |
0 |
1 |
2 |
25 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
3 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
78 |
98 |
Round 15 |
Jun 25 |
Saints |
Loss 22-62 |
5 |
6 |
11 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
12 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
55 |
63 |
Round 13 |
Jun 13 |
Eagles |
Loss 81-85 |
4 |
3 |
7 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
7 |
14 |
0 |
2 |
4 |
4 |
0 |
1 |
3 |
58 |
65 |
Round 12 |
Jun 5 |
Bombers |
Win 123-84 |
13 |
6 |
19 |
6 |
0 |
1 |
2 |
19 |
1 |
6 |
1 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
97 |
93 |
Round 11 |
May 30 |
Crows |
Win 111-83 |
6 |
1 |
7 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
3 |
9 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
62 |
65 |
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|
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I think he doesn't mind throwing his weight around from what I have seen as compared to Tim. Raw numbers probably similar.
Certainly better than Cox which I am loathe to even entertain. I don't rate at all.
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26-08-2021, 01:04 PM
#704
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
bornadog
Compared to English
Tbf Chol played as the sole ruck in one of the games from round 11 onwards, while English has been a 1st ruck basically the entire time.
I don't really rate him as a main ruck, he doesn't seem to have the brute strength a lot of the good ones have and not sure he is able to impact around the ground like English. I do think he would be a good second ruck option, but thats what I think English is so we don't need two.
Ladhams is a similiar but better version imo. Not really the strong tap ruck i want, but is better around the ground and possibly a better forward too imo.
Cox does not inspire at all and has never really shown an ability to get bulk hitouts unless he has been playing a team without a ruck. Ceglar i think is alright and holds his own in the ruck without being a weapon, and is competent even if uninspiring around the ground. He would be my pick of that bunch but it's not like I'm super keen.
I should leave it alone but you're not right
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26-08-2021, 01:21 PM
#705
Re: Well Ruck Me.
Originally Posted by
Mofra
With Timmy there it does give us the flexibility to consider a ruck who isn't much of a threat forward (a la Stef).
The little I've seen of Max Lynch suggests he wouldn't worry defenders too much. I doubt opposition coaches would be concerned about Ceglar forward either, and he seems to have been mentioned a few times.
Interesting question. Let's suppose our first few options have dried up and we are stuck with a choice between Ceglar and Mason Cox - who do you prefer?
I'd go with Ceglar. I think as Az has said he's shown he can hold down a first ruck spot and that's the player we need.
Nobody's looking for a puppeteer in today's wintry economic climate.